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#31 of 53 Old 07-19-2008, 02:20 PM
 
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Hostility can be a way of dealing with being a sibling of a child with special needs, particularly one who has needs that need a lot of the family's time and attention, and that takes away from attention to the sibling.

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For those looking for something to boycott, on another list someone suggested that his son owns a company that produces some energy drink called Rockstar (I was like, ok, that'll take no effort on my part to boycott... since I'd be more likely to grow wings and fly like a pig than buy an energy drink.) But realistically the only thing to do with filth like this is to ignore it and tell anyone who repeats it with fervor in their eye that "this turns out not to be the case."
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Hostility can be a way of dealing with being a sibling of a child with special needs, particularly one who has needs that need a lot of the family's time and attention, and that takes away from attention to the sibling.
Here's the thing though-he loved his brother! He even says that he thought the doctors treating his brother were "idiots" because they thought his disability was "catching" and Michael knew even as a child that it wasn't. He also says his parents used to forbid him from being around his brother when he was still at home, but when they were gone he'd go into his brother's room and tell jokes and make him laugh.

If his call screener wasn't such a jerk I'd call him on Monday and remind him of what he wrote and see what he has to say about it...
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Well, I sent him an email anyhow. I may not make a difference by myself, but it sure can't hurt to try.

I tried to be nice in my message; but told him that he is perpetuating ignorance that is causing HARM. Oh, and I also threw in that he is insulting scientists and physicians.

It probably won't get read, but, oh well.

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I'm speechless. And very glad I have no idea who he is.

Sadly, it's not an opinion I haven't heard before, including from parents and grandparents of autistic children.:
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I listened Friday night - I usually listen while I'm milking my goats. He did not specifically discuss autism - I felt that was purposeful, but he made reference to the article saying his statements were purposely taken out of context to make him look bad. He has a big problem with Media Matters for being liberal. I remember now that I have heard him talk about Media Matters before, but I hadn't really thought about it since I don't read it. He did bring up his brother again - who was brain damaged at birth - and said he does understand special needs issues. He discussed the fact that he was raised to be a skeptic and that's what he is. He discussed ADHD and said that he felt it was being *overdiagnosed* in order to sell drugs. (Of course, he's selling a book to help you get your kid off ritalin - "Healing Children Naturally". Claims his degrees are in nutrition - some of this sounds like typical alternative healer language. The book might be worth a read.) He's got a couple links about autism on his webpage (www.michaelsavage.com) - one a blog article that is skeptical to vaccines causing autism another discussing misdiagnosis of autism. I get the impression that what Michael sees as a fraud is the "epidemic" not the existance of the condition itself. I totally understand anyone being offended by the guy, but I don't think he's the devil either.
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I did see that on his site. I saw he had linked to something else and that person doesn't believe in the autism spectrum. He just thinks that only the really extreme cases of autism are really autism, but the people who have Asperger's don't really have autism. I don't know if Michael Savage agrees with these statements or not, but based on how he said that 99% of autism is kids being brats, I'm guessing he does. So even if he does have a brother who was brain damaged and he says he understands special needs, he still associates himself with people who don't believe that the type of autism that I have exists. The thing is, though, there are kids out there whose parents try to beat it out of them, and guess what? They're still autistic! They may be traumatized, or even dead, but still autistic, nonetheless. That's what really bothers me: thinking about all the kids whose parents were advised to just "beat it out of them" and were told that "he's just being a brat", and those children suffer because of it.

ETA: I am glad that he doesn't believe in the autism epidemic and that vaccines cause autism. I thought that was cool.
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Unfortunately I think he just voiced what a lot of people actually believe and are not saying. It makes me want to vomit, but I can't say that no one has said the same thing to me or given me a look that says the same thing. He's a toxic person that deserves no attention to his nonsense.
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Yeah, he has know idea what he is saying. Ouch! My son is not yet diagnosed. We are going through that right now. But he used to call for me and say mamama, not he is pretty silent accept for his screeching. He so wants to talk. This man is horrible!!


He needs his dad to shut his trap now.
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Somebody just sent me a link to this same story from some gossip site. I guess people are talking about it.

http://perezhilton.com/2008-07-21-wh...ill-on-the-air

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Unfortunately, it sounds like some comments that I get while out and about in our town.

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I'm speechless. And very glad I have no idea who he is.

Sadly, it's not an opinion I haven't heard before, including from parents and grandparents of autistic children.:
Same here. It's very troubling.
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After reading a bit on this, I listened myself last night to the third hour that was devoted to autism (maybe it was the whole show, but I only heard one hour.) He went on a scathing attack of Big Pharma and how they are perpetuating a fraud, not that autism itself is a fraud. He was saying a lot of what comes up here on MDC's SN forum about natural living, detoxification and getting kids off pharmaceutical drugs.

Is he a jerk? Yeah. A crackpot? That, too. However, MDC has many of the same criticisms thrown at it and for the exact same reasons. A lot of people are looking to discredit anything we have to say about treating our SN kids naturally. There is an entire industry that wants as many drugs in our kids as possible, and as many "services" provided to SN kids. That's what he's calling a fraud, and what several moms on here fight against. They want what's appropriate to help the real needs of their children, not the profit margins of Big Pharma.
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I heard it last night too. Could only get it for about 20 min, cause we loose the am station when the sun goes down (weird huh?). But I heard the same kind of things you heard Allie.
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Did he mention anything about the autism spectrum (more specifically, anything about Asperger syndrome and PDD-NOS)? I read a link on his site and I think the author of the article said something about how there's no such thing as the autism spectrum (I might be wrong, I don't remember). How I interpreted the "99% of autism is just a kid being a brat" comment was that only 1% of the people who are diagnosed as autistic are really autistic, and that's only the really extreme cases. The people who have Asperger's, PDD-NOS and are more "high functioning" are the fakers, along with the people who get a fake diagnosis to get free services. That's just what my interpretation was. Is this what he was saying?
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He is skeptical of the spectrum. He did not mention Asperger's or PDD-NOS while I was listening. But he was skeptical of how autism is being defined - saying that a diagnosis is subjective - and skeptical of some of the criteria used to diagnose it. He is concerned about children being labeled autistic in order to get free services when they aren't really autistic, because he says that makes research difficult and distorts statistics. The aim of his criticism isn't really children and his parents though - he wouldn't say someone is faking (at least I didn't get that impression). His concern is that families are being taken advantage of by a system designed to make money. He did tell one story of a family he had talked to whose son had been diagnosed as autistic. This particular family didn't buy the diagnosis and didn't tell their son and he outgrew his behavior. This family said of their own child that he had been a brat. He was using this as a cautionary tale that you might be harming your child if you accept a false diagnosis (though I really can't see how...)
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That's totally different, then. I still don't like the faker part, but I do agree that disorders can sometimes get to where they're being overdiagnosed just so the drug companies can sell more medication (case in point: restless leg syndrome) but there isn't any definitive medication for autism. People usually get put on anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, SSRIs for sleeping issues, and anti-seizure meds, but there isn't one medication that all autistic people get put on, like how Ritalin was for ADD/ADHD. That makes me think that it might not be happening with autism. I'm not sure why anyone would want to get their child an autism dx when they don't have it because of the social stigma and how difficult it is for a lot of autistic people to get jobs and insurance. I could see maybe a psychologist who isn't as familiar with ASDs misdiagnosing one or two people, but I couldn't see people doing it on purpose or doing it accidentally very often.
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I feel like he thinks he knows more about this issue than he really does.
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Here's one family's response on a t-shirt: www.cafepress.com/autismbites
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He had some expert on last night who wrote "Medication Madness" (I think that was the title) - the expert told him he thought his comments were better suited to the ADHD debate. The expert did make some comment about autism occuring because children hadn't learned how to be loving - kind of making it sound like it was a family issue. I didn't get to hear the whole thing cause my station cut out. I'm really bothered by alternative practicioners saying stuff like that. Our own holistic doctor said something to us one day about autism occuring in families where there were family members at odds with one another. Like if you don't speak to your mother, then there is a risk of you having an autistic child.
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After reading a bit on this, I listened myself last night to the third hour that was devoted to autism (maybe it was the whole show, but I only heard one hour.) He went on a scathing attack of Big Pharma and how they are perpetuating a fraud, not that autism itself is a fraud. He was saying a lot of what comes up here on MDC's SN forum about natural living, detoxification and getting kids off pharmaceutical drugs.

Is he a jerk? Yeah. A crackpot? That, too. However, MDC has many of the same criticisms thrown at it and for the exact same reasons. A lot of people are looking to discredit anything we have to say about treating our SN kids naturally. There is an entire industry that wants as many drugs in our kids as possible, and as many "services" provided to SN kids. That's what he's calling a fraud, and what several moms on here fight against. They want what's appropriate to help the real needs of their children, not the profit margins of Big Pharma.
thanks for clearing this up.

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On the other side, it is not hard for me to see his point of view (in a less radical way) the Autism profiteers, scaremongers, and other "party planners" are seriously changing the childhood of 1:150 children by declaring biologically directed behavior is somehow the result of some sort of new mystery toxicity. These behaviors and these people have been around for many many generations, but the label is new and widely used. Something that was on the spectrum "normal" is now a multi billion dollar per year disease... so yeah, most of us can agree that there is some fraud there. I think it is misdirected, clumsy, and intentionally contraversial; but the current state of Autism is a pretty difficult one.
I agree...working in the social services field, we have over 400 children in foster care. MANY of them have been diagnosed as being on the Autism spectrum. There are some children who I see as "fitting" on the spectrum, but some others....for example a 16 year old boy who has been special needs since birth, cronic seizure disorder, huge developmental delays, bi-polar diagnosis....he has been diagnosed autistic as well- which I am not an expert but he just doesn't fit that diagnosis to me. This label has been attached to so many of our children, and it really does not need to be. It's almost as if "bi-polar" and "autistic" are the new profitable labels to attach. There has been a SIGNIFICANT rise in "residential facilities" opening up that "serve" children with autism. These facilities cost millions of dollars per year per child....and they are making millions in profit. I totally agree with the poster above that there is a huge fraudulant scam in the making - and there is definitly a push to diagnose so the children "fit" the treatment.
I think that Mr. Savage was a JERK for saying what he did- however some points were made that were relivant...overmedication, push to diagnose.....

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