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Do you think it's possible to conceive octuplets spontaneously? I just saw the link that says the parents of the octuplets have six kids already, including a set of twins, and it says the parents are fairly young (who knows if the reporting is accurate, of course). Could a woman's body release eight eggs on its own? I remember as a kid reading in the Guiness Book of World Records about largest sets of multiples (yes, I was a total nerd. I also read the dictionary)... and I remember reading of women birthing that many in "the olden days" although few of the babes lived... so I guess it could happen. What do you think? (Mods, I hope it's OK to discuss this... not a debate about that family in particular, more about what a body can do).
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I'm sure in the course of human events, it's possible. Statistically extremely unlikely, but possible. Are there any data on it? Or is that is there any data on it?

I found a site that says the natural occurrence of quintuplets is 1 in 55,000,000.
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Is it possible? Of course. Anything's possible, except for cross-species fertilization. You can have twins with different fathers, in theory (not sure if it's ever been documented, but I'm sure it will be someday if it hasn't already). There are several cases in the world of MZ quads, so you could just release 2 eggs (which I understand is not uncommon, and many singletons are in fact surviving twins) and have both split into four. If you had a tumor on one of your glands, or somehow upset the chemical balance in your body to hyperstimulate ovaries, I'm sure there must be some natural event that causes it otherwise they wouldn't have developed a way to provoke it with certain drugs.

Is it likely? I'm going to say no on that one. Though we won't know how many times women have had spontaneous higher order multiples throughout history because I'm sure that most of them (the babies and likely many of the women too) died.
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It is definatly possible. According to wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...uplets_.288.29

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Quintuplets (5)
The Dionne sisters circa 1934 with then-Premier of Ontario Mitchell Hepburn.

* The identical Dionne quintuplets (born May 28, 1934
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Sextuplets (6)

* A set of sextuplets were born on October 2, 1968 in **********, England
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Septuplets (7)

* The first account of septuplets being born was to a 15th century couple,
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Octuplets (8)

* The first confirmed birth of octuplets occurred on March 10, 1967
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Nonuplets (9)

* A set of nonuplets were born on June 13, 1971
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Decaplets (10)

* A set of decaplets were born in Brazil on April 22, 1946
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Undecaplets (11)

* Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494) reported the case of an Italian woman, Dorothea, who is said to have given birth to a set of undecaplets after having had nonuplets previously
These all happened in some cases centuries before fertility drugs so yes it does happen though obviously very rare.

 
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Another interesting fact is that some woman regularly release a larger number of eggs, more than 2. Like the world record holder for the most births.

The world record is held by a Russian woman she gave birth to:

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16 pairs of twins
7 sets of triplets
4 sets of quadruplets

between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 27 births. 67 of 69 children born survived infancy.

 
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You can have twins with different fathers, in theory (not sure if it's ever been documented, but I'm sure it will be someday if it hasn't already).
It has been documented about twins with different fathers in at least 2 news stories I remember and I personally know a woman who has a set of twins with different fathers.

 
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A reminder that speculation about real people is not allowed. Some posts have been removed from this thread because they were speculating about the family who recently birthed octuplets.

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wow - and I thought I was feeling this pregancy a lot earlier - I could NOT imagine carrying anything more than 2 - but 11?!
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Holy cow! Thanks for all the info.

I am really surprised these women survived!

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As for the twins by different fathers, there is a set, one is black the other white. The fertility clinic didn't clean the pipette well enough so another sperm got in there that wasn't the father's. I'm sure there are spontaneous sets as well. I wonder what the largest set of spontaneous multiples has ever been born and survived?

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67 of her 69 children survived infancy?


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I have already read some of those statistics previously, many of the births were never recorded as to the survival after birth, the highest number being 15 fetuses having to be removed from a woman's womb, there was no way the babies would have survived, many babies do not survive after a few days after the number of 8 statistically in that report.

Being from Canada, our Dionne quints are the most famous, no fertility of course and they were identical, not 5 eggs falling. Today I believe 2 of them are still alive and living as reclusive a life as possible being as their youth was destroyed by commercialism.

But today I'm sure anything is possible for babies conceived, the story of the octuplets was done by in-vitro and she is single as well. Her mother released a statement that she hopes her daughter understands that when she is released from hospital that she will no longer be around, she has to go home and she hopes her daughter knows what she is doing, she has no eggs left in storage. I hope she does do well, many feel that she will eventually rely on social assistance to help raise her family.

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Although the Dionne quints are widely reported as monozygotic ("identical") quintuplets, they look like two MZ sets to me; one MZ twins, one MZ triplets. IOW two fertilized eggs, where one split into twins & the other split, then split again.

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Although the Dionne quints are widely reported as monozygotic ("identical") quintuplets, they look like two MZ sets to me; one MZ twins, one MZ triplets. IOW two fertilized eggs, where one split into twins & the other split, then split again.
I read a biography of the Dionne quintuplets (admitting again to my geekdom) that said they think that there were at one time six -- a zygote that split, and from that pair came another pair, and from the second pair came a third pair. They think one of the third pair didn't make it far along.

Details are fuzzy, of course... but it was interesting to consider...
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This thread makes my head spin. Especially that tidbit about the one woman who birthed 16 sets of twins, plus the higher order multiples. SIXTEEN pairs of twins??!! Dizzy. Seriously.
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They did extensive tests that show that the Dionne quints did start out as one egg. They even figured out which of the quints split off from which, that Marie and Emilie were mirror twins,a nd that there was a sixth baby that the mother miscarried around 3 months.

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Another interesting fact is that some woman regularly release a larger number of eggs, more than 2. Like the world record holder for the most births.

The world record is held by a Russian woman

she gave birth to:

16 pairs of twins
7 sets of triplets
4 sets of quadruplets

between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 27 births. 67 of 69 children born survived infancy.
Okay, I'm still boggled by the thought of 16 pairs of twins. But looking at the math, all those multiples add up to 27 pregnancies. (I'd tend to be a stickler and say 69 births, though!)

So did this Russian woman not have any singleton births? That seems remarkable!
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They did extensive tests that show that the Dionne quints did start out as one egg. They even figured out which of the quints split off from which, that Marie and Emilie were mirror twins,a nd that there was a sixth baby that the mother miscarried around 3 months.
Very interesting! Do you remember where you read this?

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I believe it was in Pierre Berton's book, The Dionne Years.

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I graduated from high school with a set of triplets whose mom also had 2 sets of twins and two singles for a total of 9 kids... their dad was an over the road truck driver. One of the girls from the set of triplets (2 girls and a boy) had quadruplets. All natural, no invitro.

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