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Old 10-07-2006, 03:21 AM - Thread Starter
 
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Hi, I'm new here, a friend suggested this site to find the help I need. This is probably going to be long, I'm apologizing now. I have three month old twins. I had a c-section and the doctor had me supplement from the very beginning because they were three weeks early (although decent size for twins- 5.8 and 6.12.) She told me not to worry, that when my milking came in I wouldn't have any trouble dropping the supplements. Because of the c-section, I was not in great shape when I got home. I had a UTI that ended up in my kidneys and came back a second time. I had clogged milk ducts and was starting to get an infection there, too. That in combination with the pain I was in and how tired I was, and lets just say that it wasn't long before the breastmilk became the supplement. I actually quit nursing for about a month and tried just pumping, but that didn't work out very well and I decided to try nursing them a couple times a days. I thought I'd be okay with that, but I'm really not. I wanted very badly to eclusively breastfeed my twins and I still do. My family isn't very helpful. They keep trying to make me feel better by telling me that I'm not a bad mom for not doing it, I have two of them, I probably don't have enough milk for two, etc. What I want to know is if its possible for my to get my milk supply up enough, after three monthes, to be able to breastfeed my twin exclusively? And if so, how?
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So sorry you got off to a rough start with your babies. There are several mamas on here that had trouble at first too that will probably be a lot more helpful than me. You might want to post on the breastfeeding forum also to get more responses. It is possible to get back to ebf'ing and I think the main thing is to offer all day constantly to them both. Make sure they are not starving when you offer or they will just get irritaded very easily. Maybe you can set up a nice comfy nursing space with snacks and water and a remote and not move from there much while you are trying to get your supply back.

I hope it all goes well for you and someone else gives you great advice
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Thank you! I actually posted on the bfing forum first and someone said to post here too. I think the hardest part is that the rest of my family thinks it over and done with, that I tried and it didn't work- end of story. I'm just not willing to give up that easily on something this important.
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don't give up!!!!! you can do it. don't let the turkeys get you down- I didn't and my 8mo twins are exclusively BF.
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Hi and welcome to MDC! Congrats on the birth of your twins!!

I don't have a lot of time right now but wanted to post a couple of links that may be helpful for you. With patience and dedication you should be able to get your supply up and going and your girls nursing well. I HIGHLY recommend you get in touch with a La Leche League Leader in your area who can be a support for you through this. She may even be able to put you in touch with a Leader who has nursed twins herself. Keep in mind that LLL is FREE so you won't have to pay a LC for help.

Weaning From Formula Supplements: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/decrease-formula.html

Increasing Low Milk Supply: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/low-supply.html

Relactation: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/relactation.html

Herbs To Increase Your Supply (I recommend trying Fenurgreek first): http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/milks...actagogue.html

Links for BF'ing Multiples: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/start/bas...multiples.html

Find a Local LLL Leader: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebUS.html

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I don't have much advice but just wanted to offer some support. Can't remember if you said you had an SNS but if not, I would get one. Also, just always offer the breast first and top them off with formula if needed, preferably with the SNS. I admire you for wanting to get your supply back.

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First I wanted to tell you I'm very proud of you for seeking help and not giving up. It's not an easy thing to do, but you can strictly breastfeed your twins, I did it until 27 mos. My husband was my major support, and LLL and the lactation consultant in my hospital. So get all the support you can from everyone and anyone who is willing to give it to you! Don't listen to anyone who won't support you, let them talk and just block them out.

Everyone's experience is different, I didn't have a CS so I can imagine how
you must feel. I did get mastitis though and breastfed right through it. I could only give advice based on what worked for me, so I would also call LLL and info from them as well. Some nurses at my hospital told me it could not be done and that I could not BF on demand, Guess what I proved them wrong. So get in bed with your twins, eat well and drink a lot of water, teas, soups etc. and BF and then Pump (use a hospital grade double pump, it will work the best), don't get discouraged if nothing comes out (just the pumping motion alone will teach your body to make more milk, eventually at least a weeks time you will notice an increase of milk. (It's suppy and demand)
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First I wanted to tell you I'm very proud of you for seeking help and not giving up. It's not an easy thing to do, but you can strictly breastfeed your twins, I did it until 27 mos. My husband was my major support, and LLL and the lactation consultant in my hospital. So get all the support you can from everyone and anyone who is willing to give it to you! Don't listen to anyone who won't support you, let them talk and just block them out.

Everyone's experience is different, I didn't have a CS so I can imagine how
you must feel. I did get mastitis though and breastfed right through it. I could only give advice based on what worked for me, so I would also call LLL and info from them as well. Some nurses at my hospital told me it could not be done and that I could not BF on demand, Guess what I proved them wrong. So get in bed with your twins, eat well and drink a lot of water, teas, soups etc. and BF and then Pump (use a hospital grade double pump, it will work the best), don't get discouraged if nothing comes out (just the pumping motion alone will teach your body to make more milk, eventually at least a weeks time you will notice an increase of milk. (It's suppy and demand). Be sure to either feed or pump at least every 2 1/2 hours. You also got some great websites so read all you can and take care of yourself with eating well and drinking. If you have any other questions, please contact me. I admire your determination. Good luck.
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First, I DO think it's possible to get back to exclusively breastfeeding your babes. Congrats on sticking to your perserverance.

I second all of the pp's suggestions to find a good LLL leader. Mine was a godsend during those first months - and I didn't even have half the challenges you've had. And going to the meetings alone made me feel like a hero, even when things really sucked, b/c all the moms nursing singletons were so impressed

Hang in there
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As PP have said great job in not giving up. If you don't have a hospital grade pump get one you can get your OB to write you a scipt for it and have insurance help pay for it. If you contact LLL make sure you get someone who has worked with twins or nursed twins otherwise they could give you some bad advice. Don't listen to your family mine were the same way telling me I couldnt do it it would be too hard. Yes I did have to supplemnt from time to time but only when they would have a major growth spurt and my supply was having a hard time catching up even then it would be around 4 oz a day. If you have a local moms of multiples group contact them lots of us nursed our twins and can help you out Our club has a warm line just for this reason and if you are having problems we help moms in our club with a meal, or tips on how to do this!!! Yes I too had a c-section not as many problems after as you did I also would drink lots of moms milk tea .
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My situation was very similar, one of my twins even took 6 weeks to latch on. With patience, fenugreek, teas, lots of oatmeal, and pumping (that part was awful) we were able to get ebf'ing! It can be done! An SNS would be so much better than bottles so that you are being stimulated.
So many people told me to give up but sticking with it was the most rewarding choice I have ever made! You can do it!!
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I really admire your resolution. I think the above advice is great. I too had a rough start and a strict regimen of offering the breast 8-10 times a day, pumping right after and fenugreek brought the supply up to where I was able to b/f both exclusively after 8 weeks. I’ll admit it was a lot of work and it seemed at the time that my whole world was centered on my boobs. I don’t know what your situation is at home but staying in bed and just sleeping, feeding, pumping and eating is what you need to do. I have a toddler so I could not rest as much as I needed to and it may take you less time to build up your supply. I also had a lactation consultant through the hospital that I couldn’t have done this without. Best of luck and keep us posted.
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Good for you on not giving up on breastfeeding! It is the best gift you can give your babies. I found the book Mothering Multiples by Karen Gromada quite helpful and supportive. There is a section in this book titled Making Up For a Poor Start that will help you out. As hard as it may be, try not to listen to people who are not supportive of your decision to BF. With some persistance and patience, you can be successful!
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There's a yahoo group called APMultiples that Karen Gromada (author of Mothering Multiples) is active on (or at least was when I was on the group, a year or so ago), she's got great advice, help, encouragement for moms of multiples who are having trouble w/ breastfeeding.
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Just wanted to add my support. Don't give up! Definitely get the help of a good LLL leader - preferrably one with experience w/twins. To me it seems that an SNS is the only way to go. That way you're babies will stimulate your milk production every time they eat. It truly is a supply & demand situation, so you've got to make sure there's a good demand!

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Welcome and congrats! I was in the same boat, basically, thanks to a short but awful NICU stay for my twins.,
1st - see a lactation consultant about thier latch.
2nd - call La Leche and get some support.
3rd - follow the online/LC/LLL advice on how to up your supply. If you can, spend a few days with someone helping you and give up ALL bottles - nurse on demand, and until your supply increases in a couple of days, cup or finger feed bm if you can, otherwise formula.

4th - and I mean this sincerely - Do NOT beat yourself up over it. I wish I could tell you how badly I wanted to bf exclusively. It became an overpowering, overwhelming need for me, and since my body didn't cooperate despite giving 1000%, it created a deep resentment of my body and sometimes my babies I actually had to grieve the loss of bf (I still do, especially now with their food allergies), and forgive myself for not being able to do it, even with pumping constantly.

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I dont know how long it takes to get a supply up again but i imagin if twins are nursing all day long you'll have a big supply in no time. If you can try SNS but i know nursing and taking care of twins is a lot of work and SNS is a lot of work too. i would nurse all day long and if they are really hungry feed them a bottle but only after they have nursed like crazy!!

Its so frustrating when people think they are being supportive but are not. if you get many more comments, tell them how unhelpful their comments are. and if you dont need to tell those unsupportive people just dont tell them.

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thank you all so much for the advice and support. Its nice to hear that it is possible and not have people telling me to give up for once. The friend who suggested coming here also gave the name of a local LLL leader, so I'm going to get in touch with her. I'm also trying the suggestions you all made. I'm open to anymore suggestions or advice- I think right now I can use as much as I can get. Thank you again so much. It means all to me to have support- and hearing that other people have done it gives me hope.
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There's a yahoo group called APMultiples that Karen Gromada (author of Mothering Multiples) is active on (or at least was when I was on the group, a year or so ago), she's got great advice, help, encouragement for moms of multiples who are having trouble w/ breastfeeding.

She's on vacation this month, but she IS **** there. And very pleasant and helpful, too.
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I didn't exclusively BF until my boys were 3.5 months old, or about 2.5 months from their due date (born at 36w3d), until then I mostly pumped. I would try to put them on the breast 1-2 times a day which they liked, but they really wanted nothing to do with me if they were really hungry, arching their backs and such until the bottle materialized.

One baby had a good latch from the start but the other one's was terrible, and I just gave up and exclusively pumped with an Ameda Elite, 8 times a day, which sucked. It also wasn't enough for them (I pumped about 46 ounces a day if I remember correctly), so they also got one formula bottle each, in addition to the EBM bottles. Basically, it sucked!!!

There came a point when I just couldn't take it anymore. A very helpful person from the LLL told me that almost all babies "get it" by around 3 months from their due date. So with that knowledge I decided to give them a few days to figure it out or we moving on to formula- all the pumping was starting to interfere with my bonding with them as they were more and more wakeful. And I'm here to tell you that they did "get it", and we ended up nursing until they self-weaned at around 19 months, probably b/c my milk dried up due to pregnancy.

What I did was just nurse them constantly those 3-4 days. Basically, I never let them get hungry, so they were never fussing for a bottle.

Good luck, nursing twins is hard, hard work in the early months.

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You know, we have almost the same story! It's sad, really.

My girls are 9 weeks today. They were born at 36 weeks 6 days. The doctor took them then because of massive edema I'd been struggling with for about two months that was becoming excessively painful (no sleeping, eating, moving, and my clothes literally cut me). I hung on as long as I could but the C-section was a relief - what wasn't was the pneumonia I developed in the hospital! I spent a week recovering from the c-section (I had massive blood loss too, so I needed a transfusion to make milk and urinate at all) and then a week at home (still unable to sleep or eat because of this weird chest pain) and then another week in the hospital with the pneumonia.

They didn't let me keep my twins with me for the pneumonia: I had to pump. And over the days, the amount I could pump dropped from 27 ounces to 8. I only got nursing time once a day, and how much it hurt to know that they would both need formula bottles because I couldn't be there! Once I was discharged, I went home to chaos - my inlaws had arrived (my mother in law is here again) someone had threatened CPS (not as bad as it sounds, I guess, the lady's quite nice and we're in no trouble) my toddler had diaper rash and was telling everyone "mama sick!"

What did I do? I climbed on the couch, ignored everyone except Adia, my toddler, sent my husband out for any nursing pillow he could find, a huge bottle of water, and some movies (he works at a video store) and then I SAT THERE and nursed for about a week. By the fifth day, we had proof that they were finally gaining weight (they dropped weight on the formula to 6 lbs 2 oz and 6 lbs 15 oz, starting weights of 7 lbs 7 oz and 8 lbs) they had rid themselves of the last of their jaundiced color, and I felt secure enough to take my breastfeeding show on the road. Also, I'd seen enough kid's movies to be able to sing along with them - that's kinda scary, but it kept my three year old entertained.

Let stuff go: just break your day up into breakfast, lunch dinner, and two easy snacks. Cook ahead if you have to. Order out if you can. Spend a week or so just nursing, drinking water, and watching tv. Alaina never figured out her latch until the week we spent nursing: she was kinda the smallest baby I've ever had, and my breasts are ginormous, so she was gasping for air a lot. Turns out she was a football hold baby, unlike my bigger two (Adia was 9 lbs 5 oz, and Patience was 8). That time gave us lots of time to experiment, and was well worth paying for six pizzas and a vat of salads.
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Man, I missed half the question.

I drank Mother's Milk tea and took fenugreek during that first nursing week: you can get both at a natural foods store or I actually bought mine at a Fred Meyer. If you smell like maple syrup, you've taken enough. I also took brewer's yeast.

There's information on www.kellymom.com about low milk supply and relactation, and galactagogues. For me, the fenugreek and the tea and the yeast did the job with gratifying speed: I felt more engorged almost immediately. There is also a link between oatmeal and milk: for that reason, there's a great lactation cookie recipe out there I recommend wholeheartedly. They're tasty, my three year old loves them, and hey, fringe benefit, they make the herbs taste great. You can google "housepoet's lactation cookies" or just "lactation cookies" and there you'll be.

A lot of success in nursing is constant nearness, at least for me: I sleep with both babies, and find that they used to - up til about 11 lbs for Patience and 10 lbs for Alaina - nurse about every 90 minutes, especially those first few weeks. Not much sleep, but if they're right there, you can at least doze off.

Now they're down to nursing at least once every three hours, so that's a nice change.
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I just wanted to lend my support. My boys are now 2 weeks old, and are EBF. I know several of the nurses at the hospital, ( and some family members) had reservations about whether or not I could do it, but I refused all bottles (except at delivery for their very low blood sugar) and would not even allow it in the room with us. I had a c/s but I took advantage of having to stay in bed, and I just nursed the entire 5 days I was in hospital. I ignored scheduling suggestions and let the babies drive. By the time I left the nurses were telling me I had educated THEM about Bf'ing. Stick to your plan, and let the babies control the demand. Get them to the breast every chance you get. Your babies are lucky to have mama willing to fight so hard for them!

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I just wanted to lend my support. My boys are now 2 weeks old, and are EBF. I know several of the nurses at the hospital, ( and some family members) had reservations about whether or not I could do it, but I refused all bottles (except at delivery for their very low blood sugar) and would not even allow it in the room with us. I had a c/s but I took advantage of having to stay in bed, and I just nursed the entire 5 days I was in hospital. I ignored scheduling suggestions and let the babies drive. By the time I left the nurses were telling me I had educated THEM about Bf'ing. Stick to your plan, and let the babies control the demand. Get them to the breast every chance you get. Your babies are lucky to have mama willing to fight so hard for them!
Good for you. I did the same thing, the nurses told me it was unheard of to feed every 1 1/2 hour, she suggested every 3 hours. I ignored her and said I'll feed them when they're hungry! One young nurse came up to me said I am in aww how you are able to handle your twins, feeding etc. I told her I just listen to my intuition and my babies, not everyone else.
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