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To all of you veteran parents of multiples, how did you know? Did you have an ultrasound? If so, when did you have sonogram proof of your babies? Anyone not have any ultrasound and still know ahead of time? Anyone completely surprised by twins or more?

I'm so curious as we are trying to avoid non-medically indicated ultrasound at this point. But my fundal height has been consistently 5-6 weeks ahead since at least 10 weeks. For us, we do not feel that an ultrasound to determine multiples falls in that medically indicated category. So, anyone out there? I'm definitely curoius about how you found out ultrasound or not! Thanks for sharing!
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I had an us at 5.5 weeks (due to extreme bleeding) and we saw one baby.

I had another at 6 weeks (still bleeding) and there were two babies.

Personally, I was glad that I knew early. I would have definately known something was going on anyway by about 20 weeks I could hardly move. I was HUGE.
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I had the "routine" one at 19ish weeks and we learned then. I had suspected it as early as 12 weeks (I ended up throwing up every day for 20 weeks or so, and had had no morning sickness with my son) but my weight gain and measurements were the same as they had been with our son, so my doctor just said every pregnancy was different. Ummm, yeah. You're telling me

If you suspect twins (measuring ahead, extreme morning sickness, weird kicks, etc), in my book it is worth the U/S to find out, most importantly, if they share a sac or a placenta -- both of those cases would indicate the need for more medical attention (the same sac because that is incredibly rare and needs watching to prevent babes from getting getting too twisted in each other's cords and the same placenta to watch for TTTS -- twin to twin transfusion syndrome, which can quickly harm one or both babes). If you saw they both had their own placentas, then I think there is less legitimate need for further ultrasounds from that point on, if that is your preference. But that one to let you know for sure will also let you know if you need to change how you are eating, drinking, preparing for your new babe/s, etc.

That's just my opinion of course... I am sure every parent has different lines they draw. But these are *real* risks and the knowledge that is learned in the U/S can shape your decisionmaking, your pregnancy, and birth.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!
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I didn't have all-out morning sickness this time or with my son. I know that exaggerated symptoms are good indicators of multiples. I was quite a bit more nauseated though. Um, I'm really hungry all the time? Thanks so far! It would be neat also to hear about other people's symptoms......
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I had a u/s at 8.5 weeks that only saw one baby (midwife couldn't find a hb w/doppler, so used u/s). I'd had lots of bleeding and cramping at 14 weeks so I went in for a quick check and the ob I saw did an u/s to check placental location and baby's hb. She noted "the placenta is nice and high and both have good heartbeats." I remember thinking to myself, "I don't remember the placenta having a heartbeat...hmmmm...." and said, "Both of WHAT?!"
I agree, if you are quite suspicious, one u/s could really help you decide how to approach your pregnancy (and any further intervention) in case it is twins in general, or mono-di or mono-mono twins.

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With my first DD I was like you. i wasnted no medically unindicated US. We never had one. DH made me promise to find out the sex of the next child - so we went for a 19wk. There was also a cord situation with my first pregnancy that justified the need for a "check in" US once during the pregnancy to double check things out. So we went. I had a picture perfect first 19 weeks. Never puked, never sick. My first PG'y was really clean and simple and I suspected nothing else from this one. I did feel the baby kick at 11 weeks, but I figured I felt my first at 16 and I was jsut more perceptive. We were blind sided whent he tech said "do you know what that is....two heads" I burst into tears yelling "no" I never wanted twins and I knew in my community having a midwifery birth was not on the menu (irregardless of location)

All tht said....I'd choose to have the US again. It is important to know the placenta and amniotic situation. If twins isn't something you are really looking forward to (like me) then i would say do it - b/c it gives you more time to deal with and grow with the situation. There are also a lot of extra nutritional things to consider to prevent PTL and carrying nice healthy twins. I know I would want to know - although I still wouldn't have chosen to know any earlier than we did. (19wks)

I had a lot of struggles with birthing arrangements. We interviewed so many Dr. and I made so many phone calls my head still spins. We tried several options and left all the situations as I wasn't feeling safe. We are HB'ing the twins and flying a MW in with the necessary skills and have two other MW's here as second and third attendants to her.

I'm glad we found out and like my original MW said. She doesn't think I'd really have "gotten away" with not knowing. Jsut less time to plan. I was not measuring ahead until 25 weeks. i am now 33wks and measuring 41.

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I found out at 6 weeks. I never measured ahead although I felt huge. People were always saying are you sure its twins. We had a major placenta tear at 12 weeks and I have to say I was glad we had the u/s at 6 weeks so we knew for sure they were in seperate sacs and had seperate placentas. It was easy for the measurements we had to take until the placenta healed to know they were in seperate sacs.

I didn't have worse morning sickness with the twins then with my first. I wasn't even hungry. I did lose quite a bit of weight at the begining but mainly because I wasn't hungry and I couldn't force myself to eat when I didn't feel hungry.
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I had an u/s at 18 or 19 weeks, but I suspected way before. I was EXTREMELY sick for the first trimester and I had no real m/s with my first 2 preg. I had also had at least 2 twin dreams. I also agree that for us twins rated as a medically necessary reason for an u/s as other pp's stated.

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I love the replies so far...thanks! My Grandma had twins (my mom and my aunt; fraternal) back in the days when u/s wasn't even an option. She knew ahead of time; I'm just not sure how far ahead of time and HOW? I guess at some point one might be able to palpate more than one head or bottom...
Anyways, she carried to term and birthed vaginally (though I believe she had twilight sleep )

Anyone able to hear two heartbeats? With a fetoscope or Doppler? Both? Aaah, so many questions!
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u/s are par for the course here, so with my first one at 5.5 weeks we knew. Biggest surprise of my life. Like with my singleton, I had pretty bad nausea but never actually vomited more than once or twice. The difference this time was that I was hungry....all the time. I stayed that way through the pregnancy. Heck, 8 mths pp nursing and I'm *still* that way! I felt movement really early--at around 9 or 10 weeks.Other than that, things went swimmingly well up until around 31 weeks. I also would want to know early as there can be a number of issues that it's better to be aware of than not. Twin pregnancies can take a real toll on the mama's body, and I for one want to be proactive if need be.

Good luck, it's a wild ride!
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We hear two no witht he fetoscope every day - but really prior to 19 weeks my MW didn't even think to look for more than 1
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I have to say that things felt differently early on, like when you lie down and feel that bump in your very lower belly, I found with twins this time it was much higher, so I had an incling that it might be two, but said in my mind it can't be. Then I had a dream that I was looking for my baby and running through room and found two babies! I still didn't believe it (should always listen to your intuition). I went for a 16 week untrasound and it got confirmed I was carrying ID twins. I'm not fond of untrasound either but had to due to the risk of TTTS. And they did have it slightly toward the very end.
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I would consider it medically necessary just because I had twins with TTTS and the fetal mortality rate with TTTS is around 80-90% -- I'm glad I knew. Twin pregnancies CAN get complicated.

If your grandmother on your mother's side had twins, then I would guess you are probably having twins!

My "symptoms" were simply huge-ness. I had m/s, but it was just as bad as with my singleton.

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Hmmm, my pregnancy's been pretty smooth. I did have round ligament pains REALLY early! I never thought this would have anything to do with multiples, but if my uterus was growing quickly I guess that could led to some extra aches and pains, eh? It would be quite a feat to convince dp that u/s was necessary......gosh, I really don't want one
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I don't know how you feel about doppler, but at your point in pregnancy, a care provider *might* be able to find two heart tones with one--if two were found, you might then be able to stomach u/s a bit better for determining chorionicity. If I recall the research, though, I think that doppler irritates babies as much if not more than u/s....something to think about.

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We accidently had a Doppler last week (we weren't paying attention, mw forgot, etc...) but when I asked my mw about finding out this way she said that she would probably be able to find the same hb all over the place and they'd have to have a hr differing by more than 10 bpm. I've also read that Doppler can be just as invasive for the babe as u/s though I forget why that is.
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I didn't find out I was having twins for sure until 31 weeks, and they were born 12 days later! I also was going for as little medical/technical stuff as possible. I was seeing a midwife and decided against the routine 20 week US. They are my first so I had nothing to compare the pregnancy to in terms of symptoms. A lot of people commented that I was "huge" but then again other people would say, "no, it's just because you are skinny, you are all baby, etc." We never heard two heartbeats or felt two babies until about 24 weeks when one midwife suspected something, I think that was the first time I measured large too, I was measuring about four weeks ahead. She wanted me to have the US then but I refused (I think I was in denial about the possibility of twins and I was not very open to the idea). Well, the next few weeks we went back and forth about whehter or not there were two, the other midwife still didn't think so and I chose to believe her for my own sanity. The way we finally found out was that the midwife had a clear heartbeat with the doppler up near my ribs and a baby got the hiccups down by my hip! Either it was two babies or one barrel-chested child in there! I had the US the next day and there were indeed two. In hindsight I really wish I had gotten the US sooner (probably at 24wks when we first suspected, but maybe even the routine one at 20wks) so that I had more time to process everything. Once I found out it was two I became so concerned about not being able to have the "perfect natural birth" I wanted and obsessed with turning the babies because they were both transverse. I was going to the chiropractor almost everyday and doing handstands in the pool and then my water broke at 33 wks. The babies were still transverse so I had a csec and they spent 4 weeks in the NICU. I guess if I could do it over again I would have spent more time worrying about keeping them in longer and rested more, not that when I found out really would have changed things that much but..... sorry to ramble on, I do love telling people that I didn't know I was having twins until 12 days before they were born, it blows their minds!

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I love hearing about your experiences so ramble on my friends! Keep'em coming! Thanks!
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We accidently had a Doppler last week (we weren't paying attention, mw forgot, etc...) but when I asked my mw about finding out this way she said that she would probably be able to find the same hb all over the place and they'd have to have a hr differing by more than 10 bpm. I've also read that Doppler can be just as invasive for the babe as u/s though I forget why that is.
The Doppler is u/s.
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A doppler isnt an u/s. there is no visual. it simply listens for a heartbeat. My doc never did dopplers until the very end as distinguishing 2 much less 3 heartbeats via doppler is practically impossible early on. later in the pregnancy it was easier to feel and see just where babies were positioned.

Anyway, you may just be popping out faster b/c it isnt your first pregnancy and your ligaments are all stretched out. I was horribly horribly sick for the first 17 weeks, and off an on for the rest of pregnancy.

At any rate, as someone mentioned before, twin to twin transfusion syndrome is often deadly without intervention and intervention must come in utero. In addition, there are other complications that can arise quickly with little or no warning such as incompetant cervix that can cause you to lose the baby/babies. I am all for going as natural as you can, but I think in this case an u/s is a great idea-especially with your family history of twins.
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My MW recommended an ultrasound based on fundal height. I waited a month, and then got one. I recommend it. Twins have many issues that can be addressed if they're found early on, and you'll want to know whether you have increased nutritional needs.
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I found out at 11 weeks when we were doing a viability u/s. I was so sure that I was no longer pg, that I was totally in the mindset of going on with only the kids I have and not adding anymore. I had planned out my whole next triathlon season. Not to be! I don't think I'll be in any swim suits next summer! I'm due in june 07.

I'm glad I know so we can plan ahead and I'm much more careful with my nutrition. If we didn't find out I'd be up the creek, since we can only fit one more kid in our largest car! Now I have 5 months to research and purchase.

I am new to this twin thing, but I can imagine that it may take a while to find out only going by hb, since they can both have the same rate. Ours did at their first u/s.

Good luck and thanks for starting this thread. i like reading all the responses and variations.

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A doppler isnt an u/s. there is no visual. it simply listens for a heartbeat.
Yes, but a doppler uses ultrasound waves to hear the heartbeat. And those waves are a steady stream on a doppler, but more of a pulse on the U/S machines, so you're actually exposing your baby to more ultrasound waves with a doppler.
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Yes, but a doppler uses ultrasound waves to hear the heartbeat. And those waves are a steady stream on a doppler, but more of a pulse on the U/S machines, so you're actually exposing your baby to more ultrasound waves with a doppler.
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Well...I wasn't sick at all unless I wasn't eating enough or around a smoker (You know, when the smell is saturated into everything). I had an u's at 6 weeks and then at 8 weeks because one of the girls was a lot smaller and there was concern. I also had some due to bleeding early on and some more due to an issue one of the girls had plus regular checks for funnelling and shortening of my cervix.

That said, I knew before the doc asked if we had a big place. I alwasy talked to my belly in plural and just knew. Though, I was expecting twins.

I do know someone who had T2T Transfusion and saw firsthand the problems and fright they went through with her girls so I was all for the u/s to make sure. My thought was that (G-d forbid) there is something wrong and I didn't do anything I would never forgive myself.

Good luck with what you decide!

Also, I don't know about twins, but with 3 I could definately tell there was more than one moving around sometimes.

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Yep, we knew that Doppler was a form of u/s so we were avoiding it as well, but the mw must've forgotten and it was snowing heavily so we were preoccupied with getting home safely (we never did make it home that night )

If I am still measuring ahead at my next visit (18 weeks) I'll considered more seriously the u/s. We will also need a (much) larger vehicle and it would be nice if that wasn't an impulse purchase!

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We found out around 6 weeks. I had had a miscarriage previously, and the dr. wanted to reassure herself/me that everything was good. I went in and the ultrasound tech did a quick scan with the wand before doing it transvaginally. while she was scanning she suddenly stopped. I became alarmed and asked if everything was okay. Her reply was: Oh, yes, yes, everything is okay. It's just that there are two.

The funny thing is - well, not funny haha - that ever since I had found out I was pregnant, I had been praying that they would be okay.
Also, when I was little, my grandmother and I always talked about how I would have twins and what I would name them - we came up with truly great names that no one would use. She had always wanted twins and was disappointed that she didn't. the only thing that saddens me is that I can't share my miracle with her today.

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Here's a quick story. When I was 14w -- and before I found out I was having twins -- I went in for an appt with my midwife and she couldn't find the heartrate with the doppler. I had no doubt that I was still pregnant, but she wanted to do a quick u/s just to find the heart beat. She did a quick u/s that showed one baby, viola.

I always look back at that u/s pic and She must have only been looking for one baby, and she saw one baby, and that was that! It wasn't until my 18w u/s that the tech found twins.

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Oh Rivka, what a beautiful story about your Grandmother. My Grandmother meant he WORLD to me (still does). She is still alive but has had end stage Alzheimer's for more than 15 years now. It's been a long haul. She doesn't speak or do anything independantly anymore. When I was pregnant with my first I told her before anyone else. i drove 6 hours to whisper in her ear and even through the fog I got a HUGE smile. (which is a mightly big accomplishment) I would have loved to share twins with her. She would be so excited and happy (and totally shocked I think)

I'm curious...Did you name your girls with the names that you picked out with your grandmother years ago?
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My mom also had twins but only one survived. Back then the doctor did not know that she was carrying twins, never heard two heart beats. She felt like she was in labor at 7 mos pregnant and the Doc sent her back home saying it was false labor. (keep in mind she didn't speak english very well or understand) Then it got stronger so she went back to the hospital and she suffered for hours. We think she had placenta previa, there was meconium swallowed, so long story short one was 2 1/2 lbs and one 4 lbs. The 4 lb baby only survived for 2 days. I think if there was ultrasound back then, my brother would have survived. So you can imagine when I carried my twins she was a nervous wreck, I think she called me everyday and helped me out alot and made sure I went for my ultrasounds. When I did I told the tech each time get what you need and get it off quickly (although it was tempting at times to see them and watch them move around).
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