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I work at a daycare (which is why this is in the working parents forum... didn't think it was appropriate in other ones) in the infant room. We have an infant who is about 8 months old. About 2 months ago (when she started) her cheeks were always red. The parents said it was eczema. No big deal, we have had other kids with eczema and we've worked with the parents to keep it under control. But the last month or so has been out of control. This poor little girl is now covered in this. There isn't a single body part that isn't affected. Her head, ears, necks, back, stomach, cheeks, arms, wrists, private parts, legs, ankles, everything is covered in this. They are large red patches (and some small patches) that are breaking open and pussing/bleeding everywhere. She scratches at it constantly. They were doing NOTHING for it. About 2 weeks ago the grandma told the parents that if they don't take her to the dr she'll call cps herself (at that point they hadn't even taken her to the dr about this!). They did take her to the dr, who tested her and said she had a staph infection They gave her a couple different medicines and for about a week she was starting to get better. But then they stopped giving her the medicine. They took the cream that we had at the daycare for her so we can't use that.

Now it's so far out of control. I just look at this little girl and cry. We have to put her in long pants and shirts because otherwise she's bleeding everywhere (and other parents have started to question what's going on with her too). This little girl is constantly in pain, but she doesn't even cry anymore. When changing her diaper (her diaper area is severely affected) she just trembles When her parents came to pick her up yesterday I told them that, yet again, she was bleeding so we bandaged her up. They didn't seem to care at all. I asked if they could bring the cream back so we could use it on her at the daycare and they said "Oh, we aren't using that anymore". I asked if they were using anything else that we could help with and she responded with "we aren't using anything". I then asked if they could bring in at least some diaper cream for her (they took that too about 2 weeks ago) and she said "no, she doesn't need it" and left!

This little girl is so sweet and innocent. It breaks my heart to see her like this day after day. When we had the cream at the daycare we could get her a bit better by Friday, and then by Monday she's be horrible again. Now we haven't had the cream and it's gotten worse and worse and now it's a 3 day weekend (we aren't open on Monday). Honestly, it's to the point where I'm dreading going to work. By the end of the day I'm usually in a horrible mood, worried sick about this girl.

After last nights encounter with the parents I had a really horrible feeling. I did call the child abuse hotline number we have posted in the daycare. They took a report and told me I should call the local police and ask for a child welfare check (since that would get it done quicker than if I went through the abuse hotline). So I called the police and let them know what was happening. She said she'd pass along the info. About an hour later a police officer called me to get some more info. He said this family already has a social worker and he couldn't understand why the social worker wasn't aware of the condition this baby was in When I talked to him last he was almost at the families house. He said he'd check on her and then hunt down the social worker to find out what is going on from her end. I haven't heard anything more. I just hope the little girl is safe this weekend. She deserves to be happy and free of pain.

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OMG, that poor baby. I can't imagine looking at your precious child and NOT doing anything to try to help them heal.
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I have worked in childcare for many many moons, and I feel your pain (As well as the baby girl's) Let's all hope this poor baby gets the best possible outcome from this, and relief from her suffering. I have often found that sometimes parents are really unaware of how infants can suffer
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That's very strange that the family's existing social worker wasn't aware. Maybe the call will make him or her get more on-the-ball.
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How awful for the baby! It reminds me of this story: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html
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:cry: oh how heart wrenching!!!!

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that poor little girl.

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The poor thing. And how disturbing that she already has a social worker who has no idea what's going on (that's what I'm hoping. And not that she knows what's going on and doing nothing about it.)
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this is very sad... how can you look at someone suffering and not help? how can you do that when its your own child... please keep us posted on how she is doing...
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That poor baby.. hugs to the child and to you for your strength

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so glad she has someone who cares about her well being!

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Oh, that poor baby. It sounds like you made the right call, but I'm sure it's hard to deal with having to do that.

By the by, staph is associated with eczema, and a recent RCT suggested that baths with very dilute bleach may be extremely helpful. They actually closed the study early because the treatment arm was getting such great results that they couldn't ethically justify not providing the same relief to those in the control arm.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-a...ds-with-ezcema

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8015995.stm

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great info -- my dd's exczema used to get better after a trip to the pool.

However: I would be VERY wary of suggesting this to the baby's family. I shudder to imagine them using bleach anywhere near her.

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Oh, that poor baby. It sounds like you made the right call, but I'm sure it's hard to deal with having to do that.

By the by, staph is associated with eczema, and a recent RCT suggested that baths with very dilute bleach may be extremely helpful. They actually closed the study early because the treatment arm was getting such great results that they couldn't ethically justify not providing the same relief to those in the control arm.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-a...ds-with-ezcema

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8015995.stm

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The story you describe is the single best reason I have seen posted (recently) that truly warrents a CPS call!

I'm so proud of you that you did it. It had to have been difficult to find the courage but this baby will hopefully benefit to the nth degree because someone stood up for her.

I hope her parents figure out a course of treatment for thier dd that works.

I do have one question... as a child care worker, does your facility have any policy regarding staph infections? I would have thought the child would have bee required to follow the full course of treatment and have a doctor's note in order to return. At least I had hoped that would have been the policy. I am unfamiliar with facility policy since my dd goes to a private provider.
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That's awful. Poor baby!

In 20 years as a child care provider, teacher, and center director, I've had to call CPS maybe a dozen times. It's almost always a really hard decision; only rarely is it really obviously the right thing to do. You did the right thing and I hope and pray that someone, somewhere with real power takes some action!

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However: I would be VERY wary of suggesting this to the baby's family. I shudder to imagine them using bleach anywhere near her.
Oh, of course not. It was just a side note relevant to the mention of staph.

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I'm just heartbroken for that little girl....but so glad that you are looking out for her.

What has the director of the day care said about this? S/he is a mandated reported, correct? Do the other teachers/workers in the day care say anything about her parents treatment of her (or, better worded, neglect of treatment)? When I taught at an early childhood program the director was very very involved in every classroom and was aware of situations like this, and she would be the one to make any calls.

I'm proud of you for being an empathetic soul, and for doing what was necessary to keep this little one safe. Please please keep us updated!!

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Oh wow mama

You did the right thing. I'm so sorry for that little girl, and we're proud of you

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That poor baby. Thank you for calling.

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That's horrifying, that poor baby You did the right thing.

I just can't even imagine that. I take my kids to the doctor if they've had a sniffle for too long!
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By the by, staph is associated with eczema, and a recent RCT suggested that baths with very dilute bleach may be extremely helpful. They actually closed the study early because the treatment arm was getting such great results that they couldn't ethically justify not providing the same relief to those in the control arm.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-a...ds-with-ezcema

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8015995.stm
Very interesting! I'd never heard of that. Of course, I'd never suggest it to this set of parents...

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I do have one question... as a child care worker, does your facility have any policy regarding staph infections?
Yes. They required her to stay out for 3 or 4 days while we cleaned the entire room and everything in it.They also required she have a dr's note when she returned. That dr note said that as long as the wounds weren't open she could return. However, since then the wounds have been opening. When we call the parents to pick her up they refuse to answer the phone or call us back. The next morning they claim the wounds are closed (and sometimes they are, but not HEALED... just waiting for her to bump/bite them again and break them open again) so they bring her back

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What has the director of the day care said about this? S/he is a mandated reported, correct? Do the other teachers/workers in the day care say anything about her parents treatment of her (or, better worded, neglect of treatment)?
Honestly- the director is out of the daycare for the last couple weeks because she has family in town. So she's left everything to the assistant director.... whom is not my favorite person and is very into not upsetting the parents. The other workers who work in the infant room (2 more other than me) are also very concerned about it but we've all been hoping it would get better. The grandmother of the baby has been trying to intervene and get the parents to let her care for the baby (there's a brother who is 4 at our daycare also and the grandparents do all the parenting of the boy- they drop him off at daycare and pick him up and do everything with him in between). But, for whatever reason, they won't let the grandmother take the baby girl. The grandmother comes into the infant room almost everyday to see the baby and most of the time she leaves in tears So I think us workers had been hoping the grandmother would be able to intervene and we wouldn't have to involve anyone else, but it's not looking like that's the case and things have gotten to the point where I couldn't let it go any further. If something happens to that little girl and I could have prevented it I never would be able to forgive myself.

However, I did not tell anyone else at the daycare that I called. Sad to think that I do have my job I don't want to risk I did tell the police and CPS what daycare it is though so who knows if they'll call on Tuesday.

Unfortunately, I probably won't hear anything further until Tuesday. I'm just going to try to relax this weekend and know that I did what I could and it's out of my hands now.

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That poor baby. I find I don't know much about eczema - that baby that died - I had no idea eczema was that dangerous. The saddest part to me is that you said she stopped crying. poor baby.
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StephandOwen, it's possible that grandma feels that if she calls CPS, they won't let her see the grandchildren at all anymore. If that's the case, she's probably been hoping that someone at the daycare would do it.

I'm glad you called. That poor kid.
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Guess this explains why DDs (controlled via diet; and with steroidal cream about 1/year when really needed) eczema has been doing so very much better in the last year. We've been swimming twice a week!

Now, you can't use the steroidal creams indefinitely or too much; they do have some risks IIRC. So that might be why they don't want the daycare using it. It's even possible that they blame the daycare for the extent of the problem, because overuse of the cream can cause thinning of the skin which can cause easier skin breakage. No diaper cream is ridiculous though, and she clearly needs something in terms of treatment!

I do think you made the right call, though. If the baby has been seeing the dr. and the dr. is the one who said no more cream or don't overuse the cream, give it time and air, etc. then CPS/police can find that out pretty easily. And the parents need to explain to the daycare what they're doing medically so you can help!

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Now, you can't use the steroidal creams indefinitely or too much; they do have some risks IIRC. So that might be why they don't want the daycare using it. It's even possible that they blame the daycare for the extent of the problem, because overuse of the cream can cause thinning of the skin which can cause easier skin breakage. No diaper cream is ridiculous though, and she clearly needs something in terms of treatment!
I totally agree with that. But it wasn't a steroid cream they took away from the daycare. I can't remember what it was called but it was something the grandma actually bought (not the parents). One of the other workers in the infant room had a child with eczema and this cream worked wonders for her. She told the parents (and grandma) about the cream and the grandma bought it. The mom DID approve it's use (obviously we can't use anything without a parents permission). Whether grandma's pressure had anything to do with it or not... I don't know. Anyway, we used it at the daycare for about a week and she was healing SO MUCH. Then, for whatever reason, the parents decided to take the cream and not bring it back. The grandparents are also the ones who brought in medicine, gauze, tape and those little baby mittens (she sucks on her thumb which makes the wound on her wrist/thumb area break open so the baby mitten was to try to discourage her from sucking on it.... they won't let her have a pacifier either to discourage the thumb sucking) a couple weeks ago when it got really bad and we couldn't get ahold of either of the parents (we, obviously, have gauze and bandages and such at the daycare but were told BY THE PARENTS we weren't to bandage any of these wounds. But if the kid is bleeding and oozing everywhere and a parent won't come get her... what are we to do?). So the grandma came and bandaged her up. At one point (before she was diagnosed with staph) they (mom with grandma's encouragement) told us to put vasaline on all the wounds. That lasted one day until the dad picked up the baby and took the vasaline with him and refused to return it.

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Oh no! So sad! i was truly trying to think the best of the parents, but its just so sad! I think you def did the right thing!

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How sad And how odd that they don't want you doing anything. My dd has eczema, and has reacted badly to some things that are supposed to be safe; I would also understand if it were steroid cream, maybe wanting to use it only at home so I could monitor its use. And dd sometimes resists even the lotions that help her, because they sting a bit at first. But not wanting you to use anything, not even diaper ointment? And not letting you bandage her? I just can't even fathom it.

Is the girl on any kind of special diet? Could they be trying to figure out what is causing it so they can cut it out, and so they don't want to interfere with how it manifests, so they can know if it's starting to heal because of diet changes, and not the cream? I know, I'm reaching, but I can't stand to think that they are just refusing such simple help that would make such a big difference.

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