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For Christmas I was thinking about getting some kind of small collection of bugs in lucite for DD. She is into collections right now, and already has this box filled with some seashells and rocks that she has accumulated. I wanted to maybe get some kind of 'treasure' box to put those things in and add some other nature-y items.

I was thinking like a spider and a beetle, maybe a butterfly. But, I was looking into this, and it kind of made me sad. Am I being wierd? I think it is cruel...but then I think, they are just bugs, DD will love them! I do think they are really cool.

I should say I hate killing bugs myself. One, because they give me the willies. And two, because it makes me sad. But, I do ask DH to kill them when I am too grossed out and can't think of a way to save them.

DH is away and it probably took me 5 minutes to actualize the death of a nasty silverfish in the tub last night. Normal people could have just smooshed him with a tissue and flushed him down the toilet. That is too personal for me. I decided to turn away while I sprayed him with some bleach. It was awful, I am still sad about it. But, I could not think of any way around killing him. :sad

How do you feel about killing bugs and suspending them in lucite in the name of science?
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If I could know they were not endangered species... I might be okay with it.
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no. it is heart breaking in a way that that bug gave its life for no other reason than to look pretty on someone's mantle.

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The bugs don't bother me as much as, say, the bat does.

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no. it is heart breaking in a way that that bug gave its life for no other reason than to look pretty on someone's mantle.
That is a good way to put it.

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The bugs don't bother me as much as, say, the bat does.
Yes, It really wasn't untill I saw the bat that I started to question myself.
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Yeah, that's a little creepy. If it was for scientific study, that's one thing. But just to have for a decoration? I don't know, and I am okay with having mounted deer heads and stuff. At least they were killed for the meat, hopefully.

I want to say that while I understand your aversion to killing bugs, I do think it's a little bit cruel to spray a bug with bleach, which is probably a much slower, and possibly more painful way to die. So while it may seem more personal to you to smash it quickly, it's not really about you, yk? I mean, while it is just a bug, if you are professing to worry about the bug's feelings, but still intend to kill it (which I do, too!), just doing it as quickly and humanely as possible is probably best.

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I would only be ok with it if they could honestly say the bugs died of natrual(ish) causes before they go to the people who make them.

I`m not a huge fan of killing animals for collections.

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I am over the phase of my life in which I idealized respect for life to the point of feeling personally pained for the sacrifices of every last little bird and bee. And gladly so. So no, my heart does not bleed.
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I want to say that while I understand your aversion to killing bugs, I do think it's a little bit cruel to spray a bug with bleach, which is probably a much slower, and possibly more painful way to die. So while it may seem more personal to you to smash it quickly, it's not really about you, yk? I mean, while it is just a bug, if you are professing to worry about the bug's feelings, but still intend to kill it (which I do, too!), just doing it as quickly and humanely as possible is probably best.
Yes, I know. I feel horrible. I am just soooo squeamish and it was so gross. I would feel just as bad smooshing it. But, you are right.
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I don't know anything about those particular insects, but my fiance pins insects and has a big collection of them. A lot of the ones he has were just insects he found dead already. He puts them in a jar with hot water so the steam loosens their joints and then poses them.
So there's a chance those insects weren't killed just to be put in lucite...

That being said, we're both biologists and see things like that (pinned or otherwise preserved critters) in more of an educational light than "oh, it's just there to look pretty."

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I am over the phase of my life in which I idealized respect for life to the point of feeling personally pained for the sacrifices of every last little bird and bee. And gladly so. So no, my heart does not bleed.

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We saw some at a craft fair last weekend, lady made them herself with bugs from her back yard. Of course, seeing as you have a problem with bugs I can see you not being able to do that, but it may make you feel better if you find somewhere else to purchase them where they were homemade and you can know how/why they died (that they weren't just farmed to be put in the Lucite but were found around the house... already dead or whatnot)

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The bugs don't bother me as much as, say, the bat does.
the bat one made me sad.

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Honestly I can say that dead bugs don't affect me other than I think they're a bit creepy overall.
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Honestly I can say that dead bugs don't affect me other than I think they're a bit creepy overall.
Yup. Really wouldn't want any of those in my house.
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I am over the phase of my life in which I idealized respect for life to the point of feeling personally pained for the sacrifices of every last little bird and bee. And gladly so. So no, my heart does not bleed.
Yeah, me too.

My only reason for not buying would be that bugs freak me the hell out. Dd1 is into them, though, I'd consider buying her one with the caveat that it has to stay in her room.

At any rate, I found this on their website-

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So they buy dead insects and bats? From where? I'm' really curious what the process is.
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well we have a collection of lucite bugs/insects that we got for the boys because I HS them and they love them. It has in a way made them more appreciative of bugs/insects around us (not sure if thats an oxymoron or not) but really they no longer have the desire to capture every bug they see and basically love it to death because they do have the opportunity to see the lucite ones really up close.

I have a heavy science background so im used to see specimens and such so it dosent bother me. I would not however buy any species that is questionable.
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The bugs don't bother me as much as, say, the bat does.
Yeah, I'm not down with the bat idea either
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I can honestly say that I hope I never loose my compassion for all living things. It may be easier to not care about the bugs, but I find it a whole lot more rewarding to care.

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So they buy dead insects and bats? From where? I'm' really curious what the process is.
It's possible that they buy dead specimens from zoos and research labs. (Not that that makes it any better mind you). That way they get their bigs and bats and the place they buy it from makes money instead of looses money to get rid of the dead.

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I can honestly say that I hope I never loose my compassion for all living things. It may be easier to not care about the bugs, but I find it a whole lot more rewarding to care.
I agree. I will never forget when I was in 6th grade; some girls I knew were near me playing and one killed an insect. The other said to her "you just ended a life!" the other just stood there dumbfounded and didn't know what to say. To this day I think of her saying that and use it on my son when he does the same thing. He does have great compassion for living things, but sometimes has brain farts. I mean, he is only 8...
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I don't mind killing bugs, but only those that bothered me or my children. Say a mosquito that landed on my sweet little guy or a fly that just wouldn't stop hovering over our dinner or a wasp that got in my hair. I wouldn't feel right killing bugs that's doing their own business and not bothering me. I certainly wouldn't enjoy dead ones stuck in plastic. I know my children won't enjoy either.

So my heart definitely won't bleed, but I'll never spend money on dead bugs, that include ancient bugs in amber.

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Yup, I am ok with killing a mosquito if it is trying to eat me....but other then that try to relocate bugs who are in my space rather then kill them. Don't think I would be comfy with dead bugs who may have been hastened on for a cute rock.

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It does make me feel kind of sad for the bugs, but the bats/lizards/turtles seem completely wrong to me. I would actually be ok with buying these for DS though. He actually FREAKED out when he saw them BTW, as in begging and pleading for me to buy them for him. He is another kiddo who loves bugs to death pretty regularly, unfortunately. I have tried helping to understand that bugs need to live their life in their own homes, but he just so desperately needs to see them, touch them, etc and they almost always end up dead. I seriously need to find a way to get at least one or two of these into my Christmas budget this year. He will flip out!

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It does make me feel kind of sad for the bugs, but the bats/lizards/turtles seem completely wrong to me. I would actually be ok with buying these for DS though. He actually FREAKED out when he saw them BTW, as in begging and pleading for me to buy them for him. He is another kiddo who loves bugs to death pretty regularly, unfortunately. I have tried helping to understand that bugs need to live their life in their own homes, but he just so desperately needs to see them, touch them, etc and they almost always end up dead. I seriously need to find a way to get at least one or two of these into my Christmas budget this year. He will flip out!

This website has them for a bit cheaper ($8-15 each): www.worlddiscoveryBox.com
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I have 2 keychains that have beetles in lucite. I like them, although I do feel a little sad that they were probably killed just to be made into a keychain. But I do love preserved animals, because it is a great way to learn about them, up close and personal.
I'm a taxidermist, and I mounted my first animal when I was 11. (A roadkill squirrel!) This was after a few years of begging my mother to let me try. I loved to be able to see the animals up close, and to make them look alive again. If your child loves insects this much, I say go for it and buy the bugs You never know, she might make a career out of it someday. I did!

 
 
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This website has them for a bit cheaper ($8-15 each): www.worlddiscoveryBox.com
The first site actually has some small ones for $3.99 that are in the shape of marbles. I am thinking of making him a little box lined with a soft cloth to keep track of them and getting him two or three tiny ones to put in there, and maybe splurging on the tarantula paperweight that is sort of half sphere shaped. I am totally, completely freaked out by them, but he will absolutely freak out when he sees them. I am completely at peace with sacrificing their lives in order to help him to see them up close and personal without torturing them here in my home.

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