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Our newly renovated library has a nice children's area with a little puppet theater, craft table, computer stations and toys. However, the bathroom the kids (and adults) are allowed to use is outside the actualy library. One has to walk through the library (from the back of the library where the kids' corner is,) through a hallway, and into the main area of the community center. Then into another short hallway around the corner, where the bathrooms are.

 

There's a bathroom inside the library, in plain view, with the door open, but it is marked "Staff Only." Children and patrons are allowed to use this bathroom during "library events", but not when just attending the library.

 

Do you think this is a reasonable arrangement? If not, how would you approach the issue with the staff?


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That does sound very annoying.  My library also has an annoying set up, the bathrooms are just across the library from the children's area not too far, but you have to go get a key from the main desk to use them.  I just needed the bathroom for a diaper change one day and didn't realize I needed a key, once I saw that though I just quickly changed him in the little hall outside the bathrooms.  With a young child that would be such a pain to have to go get a key first. 

 

If I were you I would talk to someone about using the staff bathrooms.  If you had a young child or multiple children that had to be dragged along with you to the bathroom that would be difficult.  There's no harm in asking, right? 


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I was told at some other occassion that I could use the staff bathroom, but today I was told I couldn't, when I went there with my 2 yo. I did bring it up with yet third librarian, on check out--that it was inconvenient, and she said there was nothing she could do. I guess I could continue using it (it is mostly my 2yo that needs to go about 2-3 times when we are there), but I just feel so uncomfortable after today's comment.

 

The other option is to haul all of us, all the winter jackets, bags and so on, to the far away bathroom...or leave my other two kids in the library. Which is not a bad option, and I trust them to behave, but it seems it will be frowned upon by the staff as well.

 

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That does sound very annoying.  My library also has an annoying set up, the bathrooms are just across the library from the children's area not too far, but you have to go get a key from the main desk to use them.  I just needed the bathroom for a diaper change one day and didn't realize I needed a key, once I saw that though I just quickly changed him in the little hall outside the bathrooms.  With a young child that would be such a pain to have to go get a key first. 

 

If I were you I would talk to someone about using the staff bathrooms.  If you had a young child or multiple children that had to be dragged along with you to the bathroom that would be difficult.  There's no harm in asking, right? 




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Our library is similar. The restrooms are outside the main library, pretty far from the children's area and out in a 'community' type area by the conference center/multi-purpose rooms. Nearer to the entrance of the common area than the library itself.


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Gee, I think walking more than 30 feet with a poopy or throw-up covered toddler would cure anyone of trying to place the restrooms so far away. If I had an emergency, I would defiantly storm the staff bathroom.

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our newer libraries have bathrooms in the kid areas, I really think if the library has one there then they need to let patrons use it.  I know I would regardless of it being "staff only"  it's absurd to not let little kids use it


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oh and I would tart a letter writing campaign


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I know this is going to sound biased and snarky and I'll probably get major flamage, but my DH is a public librarian in a large metropolitan system, and the idea of a letter writing campaign addressing the locale of a bathroom doesn't sit with me well, considering what librarians deal with every day (at least in our system) and the general purpose of a library.  I don't care if it is an old Carnegie building or a newly designed library.  Is it reasonable to have to walk a certain distance to get to a bathroom in the same building?  I don't know.  In most cases we're not talking about a Pentagon-sized building when we're talking about libraries.  I think it is reasonable to expect the library to have a clean bathroom available to the public. That is it, in my opinion. I don't think it is unreasonable to have a bathroom that is more accessible to staff, considering that they work there.  Patrons are important but the primary purpose of a library is to provide access to knowledge and books.  If the public needs to use a restroom, a restroom is available.  Complaining about the location of a bathroom (as opposed to say the unavailability of a bathroom) is not something I would spend much time thinking about (and I say this as a parent).  Librarians and libraries are not there to provide the public with maximum comfort.  They are there to provide books and public services.  I'm sorry for the rant but living with a librarian has provided me with this perspective, especially since my librarian works for low pay for something he feels passionate about and has to accept cuts to funding to books and valuable community services in order to keep the library open.  I grew up in a town where libraries weren't valued and the one crap space that we did have offered newspapers and romance novels at most.  I highly value the great library system in my town even if I have to walk to the basement with a key to access the bathroom.  Just trying to provide a little perspective here on a valuable service, FWIW.

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Our library sounds similar...

 

The kids section is at the very back and the public washrooms are outside the library in the corridor that connects the library to the City Hall.  (Its all indoors).  I would guesstimate the walk is about a couple of hundred feet.  Yes, it is VERY annoying that if Dd#2 needs to use the bathroom, I have to haul Dd #1 out, along with all our bags and jackets.  Its worse if there are books we haven't checked out yet but don't have time to do it because Dd#2 *really* needs to go.

 

There's been several times where I've witnessed little kids (eg. under 3yo) who really couldn't make it and you see a puddle by the train table in the library.

 

This said though, I don't think its the library's job to make sure that the washrooms are immediately accessable (even though that would be nice), its not their mandate.  The physical building doesn't allow for that anyways.  I think rather that its *my* job as a parent to make sure that my kids have gone to the washroom BEFORE we enter the library.  In fact I'm pretty sure I sound like a horrible parent when strangers hear our conversations...

 

Me: Ok, we're going to the library, washrooms first!

Kids: We don't need to go. <whine>

Me: I don't care, once we're in the library, we're not coming out so we need to make sure we pee first before we go in!

 

We go through this conversation 3-4 times a week, hence the "I don't care" part.  The whining really gets old...

 


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Wow, how inconvenient. Our library has a bathroom in the kids section and it has child sized toilets. The adult bathroom is sort of in the lobby of the library though.

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 CatsCradle, I totally see where you're coming from. I'm a librarian wannabe (I have an MLIS, but I'm a SAHM for now), for what it's worth. Many libraries are struggling just to stay open and employ qualified people. Bathrooms are likely not at the top of their list of concerns.

My library is a Carnegie that just got remodeled, and they did add a family restroom in the children's area. My only kid is still in diapers, but I can see already what a luxury this is.
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 CatsCradle, I totally see where you're coming from. I'm a librarian wannabe (I have an MLIS, but I'm a SAHM for now), for what it's worth. Many libraries are struggling just to stay open and employ qualified people. Bathrooms are likely not at the top of their list of concerns.

My library is a Carnegie that just got remodeled, and they did add a family restroom in the children's area. My only kid is still in diapers, but I can see already what a luxury this is.


Congrats on the MLIS (and mom part!).  One other thing to consider too is that if a library is not a newly designed building (as opposed to a renovation job), bathrooms are placed where existing plumbing is located.  To run new plumbing in an existing building to a different area is a huge expense.  I think that when architects are doing these types of redesigns, they are thinking more in terms of how they can maximize space for actual library services.  You're right, it is a huge luxury if a space can be accommodated either by existing plumbing or new plumbing.  We have a number of Carnegie buildings here in the city.  My DH once went through a re-model where the library was moved to a construction-type trailer and the bathrooms were porta-johns.  Not fun for either staff or public.  A private space, nonetheless.  :)


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They should block view of the staff-only bathroom. For one thing, it'll help keep staff from getting waylaid when they have to go.

 

But I've only encountered 1 library with a bathroom right near the children's area and that was a library IN a children's museum and the whole library was well under 2000sqft

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With my library, I just leave my stroller and stuff in the children's area and take dd out for water or toilet or whatever (mostly chasing her down because lately she thinks the library is a place to play tag--GRRRRR)

 

I've also just sat unchecked books down on the nearest bookcase on my way out the door chasing her down. We just come back in and finish checking out.

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I understand not running pipes etc for a new bathroom just for the patrons convenience,it would be nice but I wouldn't expect it or complain if they didn't.

However.....if I understand the op correctly there *is* a bathroom and sometimes patrons can use it and sometimes they can't. I don't understand that at.all.
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They should block view of the staff-only bathroom. For one thing, it'll help keep staff from getting waylaid when they have to go.

 

But I've only encountered 1 library with a bathroom right near the children's area and that was a library IN a children's museum and the whole library was well under 2000sqft


This is where I stand.

 

I work in a library (small and without a staff bathroom) - but I can see the allure of a staff bathroom.  If someone is there for 8 hours, ease of bathroom is really nice (and more productive for staff). Most patrons, on the other hand , spend about 10 minutes in the library!  10 minutes.  They can hold it until they go out.  I know little kids can't but it really is a short outing for many people.  It is also possible that the staff bathroom is one stall - not appropriate or up to code for a community building.  Lastly, and I hate to mention this, but not all patrons are neat in the washroom.  When it is multiple stalls it is not so bad as people can go to another stall - not the case for a single stall.  

 

I do think it is highly silly, though, to leave the door open to the staff washroom.  I do not make a habit of dangling things people cannot have in front of their noses.  They should keep the door closed and there should be no sign.

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However.....if I understand the op correctly there *is* a bathroom and sometimes patrons can use it and sometimes they can't. I don't understand that at.all.


It is lack of clarity on managements instruction to staff concerning the bathroom, or non compliance to staff on initiating the directive.  The Op can complain to management, but I bet that if she does the rule about it being a staff bathroom will be enforced, and then no-one will get to use it at all  (versus now...when you get the easy going librarian and can use it)

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I understand not running pipes etc for a new bathroom just for the patrons convenience,it would be nice but I wouldn't expect it or complain if they didn't.

However.....if I understand the op correctly there *is* a bathroom and sometimes patrons can use it and sometimes they can't. I don't understand that at.all.

 

OP said that the staff bathroom was open during special events.  My assumption is that there is a lot more crowd control and need for easy access to a restroom during these times and that it would make sense to have that particular restroom available.  There is also probably a lot better ability to monitor the bathroom during these events.  I also agree with a previous PP that it is nice not to have to use a "public" bathroom at your place of work.  Several people upthread mentioned that the issue of having to obtain a key for the public restroom.  Actually this is primarily for safety purposes.  During a regular work day, librarians and staff are busy on the floor and don't have a lot of time to monitor bathrooms.  Access by key allows the bathroom user a certain amount of safety.  Remember that these bathrooms are open to the public.  Anyone can access them essentially.  DH has had to call security to have certain people removed from the public restroom.  
 


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Our library sounds similar...

 

The kids section is at the very back and the public washrooms are outside the library in the corridor that connects the library to the City Hall.  (Its all indoors).  I would guesstimate the walk is about a couple of hundred feet.  Yes, it is VERY annoying that if Dd#2 needs to use the bathroom, I have to haul Dd #1 out, along with all our bags and jackets.  Its worse if there are books we haven't checked out yet but don't have time to do it because Dd#2 *really* needs to go.

 

There's been several times where I've witnessed little kids (eg. under 3yo) who really couldn't make it and you see a puddle by the train table in the library.

 

This said though, I don't think its the library's job to make sure that the washrooms are immediately accessable (even though that would be nice), its not their mandate.  The physical building doesn't allow for that anyways.  I think rather that its *my* job as a parent to make sure that my kids have gone to the washroom BEFORE we enter the library.  In fact I'm pretty sure I sound like a horrible parent when strangers hear our conversations...

 

Me: Ok, we're going to the library, washrooms first!

Kids: We don't need to go. <whine>

Me: I don't care, once we're in the library, we're not coming out so we need to make sure we pee first before we go in!

 

We go through this conversation 3-4 times a week, hence the "I don't care" part.  The whining really gets old...

 


If they couldn't make it, then you would more likely see a puddle somewhere away from the train table heading in the direction of the bathroom (wherever it is).  Right by the train table means they stayed too long playing, not that the bathroom is too far.

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OP, can you have your 2yo (and maybe the other kids too) use the bathroom right when you enter and right when you leave? That might cut down on the number of trips needed during your visit, except for emergencies of course. 

 

I agree with those who said that while a closer bathroom would be nice, it's not something I would raise a fuss about. 


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It does sound like an unfortunate setup.  I HATE that you have to ask for a key  at most of our public library branches, but i do understand the rationale for it. 

 

At the "main" library facility, which has half a floor dedicated to a childrens section, they have bathrooms located IN the childrens area...BUT..you can only use them if you are a child, or an adult with a child.  This bites when i go by myself and run up there to get some thing and need to pee..i can't use the bathrooms! I have to go down to another floor and use them there.  We had a child molested in a library bathroom a few years back, so they are REALLY strict about no single adults in the bathrooms in the kids section, kids, or an adult accompanying their child, only.  But again..i understand the rationale behind it.  And as an adult, I should be able to take the 2 minutes to go to another floor, I guess.  but on the plus side, none of the bathrooms require keys, at least, the kids bathrooms are singles, and lock at the door, and on the adult floors, the bathrooms are multi-stall ones you walk into and lock just your personal stall. 

 

The "small" branches have a mens and womens bathroom in the entry way as you enter the library, and also a "family/unisex" bathroom (anyone can use it) inside the library proper, all with keys you have to ask for.  Thats annoying. 

 

Then there are the "medium size" branches.  They ONLY have bathrooms in the entryways, outside the library proper, and you cant take materials out there, because it's beyond where the metal/tag detector things are for the books.  So you have to drop your stuff/hope it doesnt get stolen to run out and take a kid potty.  BUT, on the plus side, they don't require keys, because they are multi-stall. 

 

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Considering how many... ummm.... interesting noises that come from bathrooms coupled with the fact that libraries tend to be quiet places with many people, I would actually appreciate that bathrooms be outside the library, when possible.

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So the staff fart less loudly, that what you mean?



 

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Considering how many... ummm.... interesting noises that come from bathrooms coupled with the fact that libraries tend to be quiet places with many people, I would actually appreciate that bathrooms be outside the library, when possible.




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This is exactly the set up. Patrons can use it during 'events' and 'programs', and not at other times. In addition, they keep leaving the door open, so kids see it.

 

Sure, I can pre-plan all the bathroom usage before we enter the library, or drag my 2yo to the other part of the community center and leave my older kids in the library. But wouldn't it make more sense that library patrons be allowed to use the library bathroom? It is much easier for the staff to walk to the public bathroom, which is very well maintained, and clean, and all the other staff of the community center use it as well.

 

 

 

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I understand not running pipes etc for a new bathroom just for the patrons convenience,it would be nice but I wouldn't expect it or complain if they didn't.

However.....if I understand the op correctly there *is* a bathroom and sometimes patrons can use it and sometimes they can't. I don't understand that at.all.



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So the staff fart less loudly, that what you mean?



 

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Considering how many... ummm.... interesting noises that come from bathrooms coupled with the fact that libraries tend to be quiet places with many people, I would actually appreciate that bathrooms be outside the library, when possible.


 


No, but the amount of use by X numbers of staff will be less than the amount of use by Y number of patrons.

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I do not know the age of your library but or library is about an 60 year old building. Nope, they didn't design it to have a children's area. The bathrooms are in the lobby on both floors. The kid section is all away the other side of the library. They use to have it closer to the bathroom, but toddler escapeblity and steps made that solution undesirable. '

 

I understand why their is a staff bathroom. Public libraries attract some of the lowest forms of people. It is warm, free, has water. I understand why they would want to protect their break space. At activities you usually don't have people that destroy, bathe, et in the bathroom. I worked in a gas station that had an employee bathroom and then a customers bathroom....mentally having the seperation was mentally comforting.

 

Many libraries simply were not design for modern use. I would write a letter stating a complaint. Accepting that the building was design X amount of years ago and the design does not match the needs and take it consideration for future remodeling and building planning. The staff bathroom very well could be designed for low volume usages, the occasional high volume does not make a big deal but every day it could mean something different. It also could be their way of controlling theft - video games, movies, expensive books. If it is a single stall bathroom people are more likely to use it for sex, masturbation, or drugs than a multi stall bathroom.  If the staff is a lockable single stall then that can be a very real issue. 

 

I would also work on my child. If he needs to go 2-3 times it does not sound like you are setting up for success or you are really there way longer than HE is able to. Multiple bathroom trip often means, "I'm bored." You pee ask you go into the library -- no soda on the way. Then you pee on the way out. Goals to work towards -- not necessarily reasonable expectation all the time. 

 

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When dd was small the library we went to had the restroom in the lobby area I guess you would call it. You entered the library and the public restrooms were off to the side and then you went through another set of doors to where everything else was. I suppose it was a fair walk from the play area in the kid's section- or the adult book area.  I don't know if they had a staff restroom tucked away inside. I don't remember it being an issue for us or seeing puddles everywhere.

 

The library we are near now has the small children's area on its own level and a public restroom right there.I don't think they put it there thinking kids can't hold it but because it is a small space and there is a restroom on each level  it happens to be close by. In 5 years I think we've used it once.

 

I feel that having a restroom available to the public outside of the library area and a staff only restroom inside is fine. Maybe you could suggest they have places to leave coats and things- like lockers or a coat rack- so you don't have to haul everything out with you.  If you know that you or your child will need to use the restroom you can visit the restroom right away and automatically take him or her after 20 or 30 minutes or whatever their usual limit is.  And if you are doing that and  they still can't make it to the restroom on the same level in the same building then maybe the child should really be wearing absorbent pants or diapers still.


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I was just thinking about this the other day as I used the family bathroom that is in the children's room at my library. I was thankful that I could just tell dd to sit there and read for a minute while I go pee. And for all the times we were able to drop what we were doing for her to use the bathroom quickly without having to gather any of our stuff. I realize this is a luxury and I am glad it was thought of when they were designing this wing!

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I guess I just don't see why you would haul everything & everyone with you to the bathroom. Would your stuff really be at risk of theft while you run to the bathroom?

 

Ds is just 2 & sometimes we don't have much notice of needed bathroom trips when we're out in public - more than once I've been somewhere where a bathroom is not really close & we've had to run. Generally though if we're going to be somewhere awhile I bring him to the bathroom right when we arrive & then just before we leave.


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A reference librarian here.  Speak to or send a note to the director about your concerns and the sometimes you can use it and sometimes you cannot policy.  See what the actual policy is and why.  There may be a perfectly good reason things are the way they are or maybe not.  Maybe the director has no idea that it is a pain for parents with small children.  But I would bring it to their attention.  

 

A total off the wall guess here is that it may possibly have to do with cleaning.  If the public bathroom is outside the library in the community center it may be cleaned daily as part of the community center.  While the library toilet may not be cleaned as often so it is kept as staff only except during special events.  

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