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IMO if it is not legal it is not ethical.
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Food Stamps AND Supplemental Security Income AND Child Nutrition AND the Earned Income Tax Credit AND all veterans’ pensions COMBINED account for only 6% of the federal budget. (www.whitehouse.gov - office of budget & mgt.) Food Stamps alone appear to account for a measly 1% of the total budget. .
Wow! I'm shocked that they are cutting back on benifits on people. Around here a lot of people got cut of medicaid and there is basically no dental for low income families. THe poverty here is terrible.

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I don't understand some people's thinking...

it's ok for the government officials to eat steak and lobster (and cake) with federal tax dollars but not poor people? Poor children don't deserve a birthday cake but your kids do? wtf?

I grew up on foodstamps and would not be alive today without them. We would have starved. In fact, my mom is 45 and still on them. It's not a badge of honor and no one LIKES using them but it's a fact of life that people need them in order to survive.

I think the OP did the right thing. I think that if you've never been poor you have no idea that you have to do what you have to do to get by. I've done more in my life than I'd like to admit to be able to survive.
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I don't understand some people's thinking...

it's ok for the government officials to eat steak and lobster (and cake) with federal tax dollars but not poor people? Poor children don't deserve a birthday cake but your kids do? wtf?

I grew up on foodstamps and would not be alive today without them. We would have starved. In fact, my mom is 45 and still on them. It's not a badge of honor and no one LIKES using them but it's a fact of life that people need them in order to survive.

I think the OP did the right thing. I think that if you've never been poor you have no idea that you have to do what you have to do to get by. I've done more in my life than I'd like to admit to be able to survive.


I couldn't agree or sympathize more.

My parents are divorced, and my Mom was willing to use the Food Stamps to help us, while my Dad was not. I went hungry at my Dad's house _a lot_. I do remember feeling very shamed at the grocery store having to use Food Stamps, or turning in our bottles and cans to buy groceries ... it was horribly embarassing and if it weren't for my Mom's "F you people, we're hungry" attitude I might have run out of the store. Bless her for teaching me that being poor and needing help wasn't something to be ashamed of.

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As someone who has been using credit cards to buy food for the last year or so, I find nothing unethical about your trade and wouldn't be offended if you did it every week. Is the $50.00 she is paying you even going to cover your expenses? I am thrilled to pay taxes for this kind of ingenuity!

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>>the source of the money is the U.S. government a.k.a. you and me via taxes

And that's the issue for you really, isn't it.
You're kidding right? (Please say you're kidding.) This isn't an issue for me in the least. I would gladly pay more taxes to provide universal health care, ensure no child had an empty tummy, etc. etc. My parents used welfare and FS in the past and thank God they are there and I defend these programs to the end and think they should be more accesible not less so.

What I was responding to is the post saying hey it's just food and that no one saw a difference. Well, there is a difference... being that one is coming from a benefit that her sister's family qualified for and is funded from tax money or the government or however you want to put it, and the other is just from her sister's pocket. So while I think a "one time" deal isn't a biggie, there IS a difference.

ETA just because I think the OP's solution is in the grey area of food stamp fraud does NOT mean I am against food stamps. That's ridiculous (see above). It is because I want this benefit to be there for people who need it - like my family did - that I want to prevent food stamp fraud because I think it jeopardizes the program in the long run. Not to mention that people who need food but don't have enough money for food (i.e., food stamp recepients) are spending their food stamps on things other than food. That worries me a lot, especially mamas and families with children.
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uity!

To out this in perspective, I know someone who lied to get WIC (she made her $ under the table) so she wouldn't have to pay for formula because she didn't want to nurse because she wanted a boob job right after her dd was born. That bothered me.
She must have made a crap load of money then to have to lie, you can make a fair amount of money and still qualify for WIC. Here if you have medicaid they don't even bother looking at your income and for a family of 4 to get medicaid for kids you can make $2800 a month.

The parents lose thier medicaid if they make $1400 a month. Which is sad because $1,400 pretax isn't very much to live off of and certainly you wouldn't have enough left over to pay for healthcare.

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I dont think it is unethical. But, when we lived with my fil in NY and applied for food stamps, it was made clear to us that the food stamps were to be used only for the people on the account. Same with my mom in NM. They had questions about if we prepared food together.

Also, has your sis looked into getting help for child cre expenses? Then the govt would give her money which she would give to you. isnt that how it works?
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I dont think it is unethical. But, when we lived with my fil in NY and applied for food stamps, it was made clear to us that the food stamps were to be used only for the people on the account. Same with my mom in NM. They had questions about if we prepared food together.

Also, has your sis looked into getting help for child cre expenses? Then the govt would give her money which she would give to you. isnt that how it works?
I think childcare checks go straight to the person doing the childcare.

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Yeah, she made over 60k plus received plenty of cash gifts from her "clients"(sugar daddies).

Well thats terrible, like she needs to take that food from someone who might need it. Honestly there is only so much funding per state. For every person that is fraudulently getting WIC there is a person who needs it that goes without.

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I dont understand how this is unethical. Its not like you are buying her food stamps from her so she can get cash. She is buying the food and giving it to you. Nothing wrong with that.
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regardless of how the money gets there, the state would be covering the costs, which could be a big help here, right?
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I think childcare checks go straight to the person doing the childcare.
That's the way it is in AZ. I was going to do home daycare, I would have been certified by the state and would get monthly payment from the state and the families were responsible for a 'copay' depending on what level of assistance they received.

Maybe the OP can look into getting certified and the sis can apply for assistance.

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'Actually...isn't the truth that if your income is low enough to qualify you for food stamps when you are working, your federal tax liability is likely zero? So even if taxes are withheld, she will get it back and more (earned income credit) when she files taxes?'

We didn't qualify for fs-15 dollars over but WIC. and taxes definitely DID come out of his check. They came out of mine when I was a single mama with ds#1 and did qualify for fs until I refused to quit college. and back then there was no EIC or the like...
so I can't speak for now only then..maybe one of the other mamas here has the answer?
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'Actually...isn't the truth that if your income is low enough to qualify you for food stamps when you are working, your federal tax liability is likely zero? So even if taxes are withheld, she will get it back and more (earned income credit) when she files taxes?'

We didn't qualify for fs-15 dollars over but WIC. and taxes definitely DID come out of his check. They came out of mine when I was a single mama with ds#1 and did qualify for fs until I refused to quit college. and back then there was no EIC or the like...
so I can't speak for now only then..maybe one of the other mamas here has the answer?
I don't know for sure about the tax liabilities, but even if the taxpayer gets a full refund of the amount they paid in and then some, the government had a taxfree loan for at least a year of those taxes that were paid. On one person it may not be that much - but that's why the financial experts say to work your withholdings so you don't get a huge refund each year. The government gets to keep your money and earn interest on it all year long.

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I see nothing wrong with her paying you with FS if she has extra and you need it. I know I was getting almost 3x what I actually needed in FS. She is simply paying you with food rather then cash

Seriously?
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Well thats terrible, like she needs to take that food from someone who might need it. Honestly there is only so much funding per state. For every person that is fraudulently getting WIC there is a person who needs it that goes without.
I don't think that is neccesarily true. Is there a waiting list for WIC? I thought it was all based on your income level and if you were below that level you received the assistance...
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Theres no waiting list for WIC, atleast not in my state. If you need it you get it.

To the OP:

You and your sister sound like very caring and loving people. I can tell that if you thought, for even a second that having her take you shopping and buy food, would in any way take food from her or her family, then you wouldnt have done it. You and your sister are very lucky to have each other and to be able to work things out and still be able to help eachother out.
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Being your feeding her children whats the problem
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Ugh....am I the only one who finds it extremely annoying when people pot on things they know little of!?

WIC is not a first come first served basis! As a pp mentioned, whoever needs it (well, qualifies for it), gets it, period. Whether it's 10 people in any particular town, county or state, or 10,000. (you can read about the USDA political nonsense that goes on with that by searching this site for "WIC")

The only "waiting list" they have is the time it takes you to get an appointment (usually within 2 weeks max for a new cert. here, and it REALLY busy here). If you're desperate for food, they'll call the DSS for you, or at least give you directions there. They should also have a list of local or county-wide food pantries complete with days/hours of opperation.

Not only that, but WIC is made to be supplemental--no one should ever rely on WIC to be their primary source of food.

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Well thats terrible, like she needs to take that food from someone who might need it. Honestly there is only so much funding per state. For every person that is fraudulently getting WIC there is a person who needs it that goes without.
When I was on WIC they encouraged me to tell anyone I know with children about it. There was no waiting list, I had the appt. within the days. They certainly didn't give the impression that they ever had to turn anyone away due to lack of funding.

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When I was on WIC they encouraged me to tell anyone I know with children about it. There was no waiting list, I had the appt. within the days. They certainly didn't give the impression that they ever had to turn anyone away due to lack of funding.

The state only gets so much funding. Period. Like this state has cut back on all name brand (except juice) and there is no longer a farmers market. So WIC does turn families away when it's no longer in the budget to help them, or they cut back on what is given out, or they decreace their income requirements.

Under Bush's new budget proposal Missouri will lose $10.3 million in WIC funding, and 11,200 people will be cut from the program

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[QUOTE=DesireeH]Seeing that her kids will be eating at your house for 9 hours a day, I think it's fine cause that is what it is intended for.......her kids, right? QUOTE]
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