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I LOVE the look of pearls and have ALWAYS wanted some. Now that I have been really thinking about it I am sickened by the loss of the oyster's life in order to get a nice pearl. How should I look at this?
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In the case of akoya oysters and freshwater mussels the shell and meat is discarded or used for another purpose. South Sea and Tahitian oysters, however, are harvested in much the same fashion as the nucleation. These oysters are opened very slightly, the pearl is extracted, and another nucleus is placed into the preformed pearl sac. This oyster than goes through another recovery period and is placed back into the sea to grow another pearl.

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Find a really nice fake set.
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find some cool vintage pearls? or something?
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I'm vegan, so new pearls are out for me, even the "humane" ones listed above, although maybe those will work for you.

I think finding vintage ones is the way to go.

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Do you eat meat?
Sort of...not often I'll put it that way and I am slowly transitiong from not often to NOT at ALL.

I haven't quite taken the full plunge because I am scared that it'll be hard since I am ALL alone in my decision. I am working through my ethical convictions.
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I love pearls too. I say go vintage or buy a nice set of fakes.

However you still we be "promoting" the look of pearls. Ethically unless you are going to tell everyone they are vintage or fake and why you went that route I would say don't wear them at all.

I also don't get "cruelty free" diamonds. Do people who buy them pontificate about why's behind them?? But I also don't get people who are ethically against killing animals who wear fake fur, pleather, eat food menat to replicate meat etc. I need to do some research in the topic to better educate myself.

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To answer your last question - I'm vegan, as I mentioned before, because I don't want animals hurt more than necessary to support anything unnecessary for me. This means that I take meds that I know were tested on animals or contain animal products when there aren't alternatives.

However, I don't have a problem with the fashion as long as no animals were actually hurt. My vegan shoes are made of pleather - what else can you use besides cloth, which is only good for summer shoes. I don't wear fake fur myself but I don't have a problem with obviously fake stuff. I eat "meat analogues" because I enjoyed a variety of recipes/dishes that contained meat and I still enjoy them, but without the actual animals. I see no reason to give up foods I enjoy when I can have them without animal products.

I do point out that ___________ is animal-free whenever applicable, and DH made a good point that if we talk about meat analogues in public, we should refer to them as such, rather than just talking about them using animal terms. So now I'll either use a made-up name or call it by the brand name.

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How would a vintage pearl not have hurt an oyster are they fake?? Did they change how they got pearl's out in recent years? I know nothing about pearls and will never be able to afford anything like it but this stuff interests me
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If I understand the jist correctly, I think people are recommending 'antique' pearls because at least they will not have been factory farmed in the same way, and instead were collected by pearl divers who might have eaten the meat used the mother of pearl from the shells too, or what have you. Or maybe there were better fakes then, because the 'wild harvested' pearls were much more expensive and rare-r?

Just a guess though. I am pretty sure that except for the method mentioned in a previous post, pearl=dead oyster no matter if it's antique or not.
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I also don't get "cruelty free" diamonds. .
Say what? Do you mean Conflict free?
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If it's antique, the poster will not be financially supporting an industry she has ethical difficulties with. She'll be supporting an antique store or consignment shop or something like that. No encouragement to the businesses currently causing harm. Those oysters are long dead whether she buys the pearls or not.

It wouldn't be difficult to find something secondhand or fake. So the question is whether you want to be perceived as supporting that industry. Is it enough that YOU know where your money went, or how much do you care if other people might think you bought them new?
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If it's antique, the poster will not be financially supporting an industry she has ethical difficulties with. She'll be supporting an antique store or consignment shop or something like that. No encouragement to the businesses currently causing harm. Those oysters are long dead whether she buys the pearls or not.
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I also don't get "cruelty free" diamonds. Do people who buy them pontificate about why's behind them?? But I also don't get people who are ethically against killing animals who wear fake fur, pleather, eat food meant to replicate meat etc.
I think for a lot of people it's less about what other people think, than being careful where their money goes and what they are financially supporting. Action, but not activism, I guess. But I'm not a vegan so I could be way off

ETA- crap. I think activism is the wrong word, not quite the one I'm looking for. so, er, hopefully people can still see the point I was trying to make?
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I am not sure if I will EVER own a set. I always wanted ONE pretty necklace for dressy affairs BUT I can't justify it. DH has talked about buying me something so I wanted to give him some ideas. He is tired of me putting ME off. Thank you ALL for your suggestions and ideas. I am thinking I may go with the vintage approach.
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Say what? Do you mean Conflict free?

You are right that is conflict free but a friend of mine calls them cruelty free after seeing Blood Diamond and I mist have just picked that up from her.

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I think for a lot of people it's less about what other people think, than being careful where their money goes and what they are financially supporting. Action, but not activism, I guess. But I'm not a vegan so I could be way off

ETA- crap. I think activism is the wrong word, not quite the one I'm looking for. so, er, hopefully people can still see the point I was trying to make?
Yes, this is very well put. I don't care if someone sees my vinyl shoes on the street and assumes they are leather. I mean, that's what most people wear. If it comes up, I will mention that they are not. But I'm not going to say to the cashier I'm buying my groceries from, "By the way, my shoes are not made of leather!" That's like my mom introducing my new husband to the upstairs neighbor I've known since childhood, as "This is DH. He's a vegan." Huh : But there are different types of ethical philosophies - some involve activitism all the time, some some of the time, and some not at all. I do my fair share but only when it's either applicable to the situation, or the other people are interested. I'm not into pointing things out and causing people to get into a defense-fest. What good is that? You just alienate people.

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Yes, this is very well put. I don't care if someone sees my vinyl shoes on the street and assumes they are leather. I mean, that's what most people wear. If it comes up, I will mention that they are not. But I'm not going to say to the cashier I'm buying my groceries from, "By the way, my shoes are not made of leather!" That's like my mom introducing my new husband to the upstairs neighbor I've known since childhood, as "This is DH. He's a vegan." Huh : But there are different types of ethical philosophies - some involve activitism all the time, some some of the time, and some not at all. I do my fair share but only when it's either applicable to the situation, or the other people are interested. I'm not into pointing things out and causing people to get into a defense-fest. What good is that? You just alienate people.
Well put. MANY of my decisions already alienate me. I don't need to add to the count.
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