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I see my friends every week. I would know if their children were taken away. They wouldn't need to wear a "neon sign". I'm not saying it never happens, but I just think to know that many people personally is very odd. I'll read your link in awhile, I have to get the kids up from their nap.

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when you have had your children taken away, people open up to you.

my midwives put me in touch with one mama when they learned I had been through it.

I happened to move into a place where the next door neighbors were in the thick of just such one (those whose babysitter hadn't picked the kids up from the schoolbus). the family whose children were taken away for eczema learned about our situaion from church members and contacted us for help in their case.

you don't know about these things until you are in the position to be of some help to people going through it. It is HORRIBLY stigmatizing and the attitudes manifested here are exactly why people DON'T TALK in real life.
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I'm sorry but I can't find any links having to do with God's Babies except for the main page you sent me with the "More info and final goal". Everything else I found was about Jesus. Sorry if I'm looking in the wrong place... but I'm really not finding it.

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there's a link to an even harder to read answers to prayer page where there are several entries on them. the more personal info (with names and such) has been confined to emails rather than internet posting since it was a sensitive situation.

they got their children back after a court battle and shortly before the birth of their 3rd who was scheduled to be removed as soon as he was born.

http://www.omegaprojectministries.or...%20answers.htm

you have to use the find on this page to search for it (yes, we're trying to get my mom to use a more friendly format).
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If you haven't read it, Mary Callahans book "Memoirs of a Baby Stealer" is a good look into CPS and the foster care system from someone on the inside who knows.

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can you summarize it? I have a VERY difficult time reading anything like that. It was YEARS before I could talk about my own experience and still have difficulty doing so irl.

shoot, it was years before I could hear the star spangled banner without getting nauseated.
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True dat.

I dont tell anyone I know irl that cps investigated me. Even though it was dropped, the stigma is, if they came, you must be a bad parent.

If you were raped, you must have provoked it.

If your husband beats you, you must have done something to deserve it.

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exactly! that's why it is sometimes called the silent epidemic. nobody can bring themselves to talk about it (for one, what if that pisses them off and they come back? that kept me quiet for a long time!).
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This is Amazons description:

"Mary Callahan never planned on writing a book about her experiences as a foster parent. She had only one goal as a parent, to help the children in her care. But as she learned their stories, it became painfully clear that the Child Welfare System had no sincere regard for the welfare of children. Callahan realized the only way to truly help the children was to tell their stories. Written from the unique perspective of a foster parent, Memoirs of a Baby Stealer chronicles Callahan's experiences with five foster children, shedding light on the inadequacies of the Child Welfare System in this country. As the author explains, "They are taking kids from places that aren't that bad, putting them in places that aren't that good, and completely ignoring the bond that exists between parent and child."

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Yes, cps is good at strong arm tactics. I worked with a family who was adopting a child through cps. The child had fetal alcohol syndrome. CPS removed a younger child from a home that also had fas but had nowhere to place her. They called this family, the family stated that they had NO interest in fostering, they were only interested in adoption. They were then basically told that if they did not take this child to foster, it could go against them being able to finalize thier adoption of the older child. I mean wtf was that? They felt like they HAD to foster the younger child or they would lose thier dd.

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Yep. We were made to choose between 3 step children, or my bio children. Its a situation in which no one ever wins but the state.

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This is so horrifing! The way its suppose to work is, removal is the last resort, they are suppose to work WITH the families, counseling, parenting classes etc. BEFORE removing them and if they have to remove, they are suppose to place with other family first, grandparents, aunts etc but it just doesnt happen. Foster care is suppose to be a last resort but it seems to be the primary one in most cases.

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... If I was going to type up a short, concise list from this thread about What to Do If CPS Shows Up At My Door, it might look like this (? input please)...


What to Do if CPS Comes Knocking

1. Don't let them in without a warrant
2. Step outside to talk
3. Record everything on tape if possible
4. Keep a detailed documentation on the encounter(s)
5. Make sure your child knows not to speak with ANYONE without your knowledge or consent about home / family life ... and/or give them a card with this information on it
6. Make sure you have a general medical care provider you trust and who is in line with your views and lifestyle choices

General good rule of thumb:
1. Teach your child not to go up to a cop if they're lost, but a WOMYN or mama figure


What am I forgetting?

I'd like to put this on a poster near my door...
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when you talk with them, only answer their questions as simply as possible (yes, no, etc). anything you say can and will often be twisted to mean something you did not.
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If you find yourself with CPS at the door, even though you aren't going to let them in without a warrant.. make sure you CLEAN your house like you've never cleaned it before. Every dish washed, every article of clothing in dressers.

A CPS worker with an agenda can twist anything. One dirty cup can show up on the report as a "kitchen full of dirty dishes" and a load of clean laundry in a basket can turn into "dirty clothes all over the house." As added protection, take pictures of your house with a time stamp on them. So if they do indeed come back with a warrant, you have covered your bases to protect yourself against lies.

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If you find yourself with CPS at the door, even though you aren't going to let them in without a warrant.. make sure you CLEAN your house like you've never cleaned it before. Every dish washed, every article of clothing in dressers.

A CPS worker with an agenda can twist anything. One dirty cup can show up on the report as a "kitchen full of dirty dishes" and a load of clean laundry in a basket can turn into "dirty clothes all over the house." As added protection, take pictures of your house with a time stamp on them. So if they do indeed come back with a warrant, you have covered your bases to protect yourself against lies.
Good advice but pretty impossible for a single working student mama with NO outside help.

One more reason to be freaked out by them I guess.
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Does anyone have a website that can help you locate a good anti cps lawyer in your area?

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Does anyone have a website that can help you locate a good anti cps lawyer in your area?
i don't know of one, i think this is a 'let your fingers do the walking' kind of situation.

nothing like calling them all one by one and asking them!
seriously, i have done that, and intend to do it again. i have helped a few families in my city by being able to save them the time/trouble of finding an atty who does 'CHINS' work.
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There are attornies who focus on child and family issues. Attornies aren't allowed to advertise as being 'specialists' in one thing or another, but they can advertise what they generally do. So you can look for bankruptcy attornies, family attornies, medical malpractice, etc.

But they all have the exact same law education. They've just chosen to focus their career in different areas.
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Does anyone have a website that can help you locate a good anti cps lawyer in your area?
see first page

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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Yes, cps is good at strong arm tactics. I worked with a family who was adopting a child through cps. The child had fetal alcohol syndrome. CPS removed a younger child from a home that also had fas but had nowhere to place her. They called this family, the family stated that they had NO interest in fostering, they were only interested in adoption. They were then basically told that if they did not take this child to foster, it could go against them being able to finalize thier adoption of the older child. I mean wtf was that? They felt like they HAD to foster the younger child or they would lose thier dd.
I know a similiar story. There's grandparents I know who were in the process of adopting their grand daughter. Their daughter was abusive, and had another baby recently. The baby had an adoption offer, but CPS wants the children together. The grandparents can't afford both kids (if it was me I'd find a way but that's not the issue) and are now likely having to give up their grand daughter too, since that couple adopting the baby will take them both. Makes me very sad.

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I've been wondering about this issue lately because a family in my homeschooling community recently received a visit from CPS because someone reported her on the grounds that her kids "play all day". She did let them into her home (CPS threatened to take her to court and take away her kids if she didn't). Her children were interviewed behind a closed door, which traumatized them. When she read her report later it said her kitchen was filthy (there were some dishes on the counter as her dishwasher was currently running and full) and that there was "urine soaked clothing". Well, yes, her son had wet the bed and the sheets were in a laundry basket waiting to be washed next to the washer. And so on. Her case ended up being "closed", but her whole family (and extended family who were called as well) are feeling traumatized.

Once this woman posted to our homeschool support group she got a lot of information (similar to what was posted here) but more people reported instances of CPS being called solely based on people homeschooling. And, as we are an unschooling/extended nursing/co-sleeping/non-vaxing family, it's made me nervous.

So, having read all the previous posts, my question is this: you've asked for a warrent etc, the CPS worker has left. Would it be best at that point to leave the house and go to another location to start calling lawyers (we don't have one). How long exactly would the turn around time for a warrent be? Should we stay at home, call around to lawyers as fast as possible, clean the house (as fast as possible), make sure a friend is there as a witness in case someone comes back immediately? Or???? What would your approach be?
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Just to clarify: I dont even think the problem is that the workers are callous or unfeeling. They truly beleive themselves to be right and on the childs side. They are mostly misinformed or uninformed about a lot of things. There are several CPS workers who post here at MDC adn they would NOT find anything wrong with ebf, cosleeping etc, but the large percentage of workers are very mainstream and would find it sick and pathological and feel they were working in a childs best interest to remove them from such parents. Unfortuntaly a lot of it is subjective and depends on the individual workers attitudes and opinions period. Thats too much power for anyone. Even well meaning ppl. Perhaps ESPECIALLY well meaning pp.

Food for thought.
Here's my problem. I feel like this fear (as well founded as it apparently is) fuels some culural misconceptions about normal parenting behavior. I would REALLY like to see letters written to CPS for no reason other than to educate. I would like to see pressure be put on to include CULTURAL sensitivity training into the education programs. If someone is going to be working with kids they need to know what is normal and what isn't and obviously something is very wrong with the training process if they don't know that some people brestfeed for 5-7 years and that this is healthy and normal behavior (or that co-sleeping is usually normal, or that XYZ Ap choice is normal).
I also wonder how many investigations get escalated on AP families based on AP stuff and how many result in actual parent-child seperation and how many are dismissed, etc.



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... If I was going to type up a short, concise list from this thread about What to Do If CPS Shows Up At My Door, it might look like this (? input please)...


What to Do if CPS Comes Knocking

1. Don't let them in without a warrant
2. Step outside to talk
3. Record everything on tape if possible
4. Keep a detailed documentation on the encounter(s)
5. Make sure your child knows not to speak with ANYONE without your knowledge or consent about home / family life ... and/or give them a card with this information on it
6. Make sure you have a general medical care provider you trust and who is in line with your views and lifestyle choices

General good rule of thumb:
1. Teach your child not to go up to a cop if they're lost, but a WOMYN or mama figure


What am I forgetting?

I'd like to put this on a poster near my door...
This sounds like it needs to be on there for sure:
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Thats another thing people dont realize, even once your children are removed, you still have rights. Until they legally terminate those rights, you still have power to make medical and educational (just as a noncustodial parent who isnt the primary caretaker still has those rights) decisions etc, but cps does not allow you to exercise those rights and they dont want you to know you have them. I know, I researched this extensively when I had my two cousins here. Ther mother was steam rollered.

The large majority of removals are "voluntary" because the parent is told if you DONT agree and sign the plan THEN they will take you to court and force it adn you'll lose your kids forever, whereas by cooperating you get a chance to get them back. Its total bull, in most cases, they dont have enough evidence for a court to remove your kids so for my two cents NEVER SIGN THIER PLANS, NEVER agree with a "temporary" placement. NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!

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I've been reading this thread with interest. I really cannot sympathize with those that seem to have been abused by the system because I've never been there. I'm at least trying to understand, though.

I still can't quite wrap my head around the REASONS to worry and take such (what seem to me) extraordinary precautions. I don't see any AP/NFL decisions that would make someone a target. Doesn't it have to be a combination of factors? This thread has started to make me worry, but my greater sensibilities tell me that there is nothing to worry about. We have a house, dh has a job, we send our dd to private school, we did CLW, cloth diapering, my mother lives with us, we're not drug addicts. But dd still co-sleeps with us. I just feel vulnerable after reading this thread and I don't like it. I would have no problem inviting a CPS worker into my home at any time or having our lives picked apart with a fine-tooth comb. I just don't understand. Can someone explain more?
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I just don't understand. Can someone explain more?
Um, if you don't see the danger in letting a government official into your home that, simply because of who they are, can say things about you that can cause you child to be removed from your home, put in the dangerous world of foster care, and adopted to another family because you did not complete their "plan" in a year, and after reading this thread, I don't know what to say to you. Why leave yourself vulnerable instead of protecting your rights against unreasonable search and seizure?

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Um, if you don't see the danger in letting a government official into your home that, simply because of who they are, can say things about you that can cause you child to be removed from your home, put in the dangerous world of foster care, and adopted to another family because you did not complete their "plan" in a year, and after reading this thread, I don't know what to say to you. Why leave yourself vulnerable instead of protecting your rights against unreasonable search and seizure?
This is why I asked the question in the first place. I don't know what the "triggers" are for them.
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This is why I asked the question in the first place. I don't know what the "triggers" are for them.
I don't know what you mean by "triggers". Reading the whole thread plus links should take quite a bit of time and provide a lot ofinformation.

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This is why I asked the question in the first place. I don't know what the "triggers" are for them.
That's exactly the problem. Because it depends on someone reporting you, and because the workers are individuals with their own points of view, there is no way to know the triggers.

BUT! Just off the top of my head, people have had kids taken away for both UC and extended breastfeeding both with no other factors. Stories of both were in the news.

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