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I know about the vaccination forum, but I was curious what my DDC peeps were doing?

 

I am leaning towards no vax, but am most concerned with pertussis.  We haven't seen the ped yet, but he said he thinks HIB, Pc, and DTaP are the most important and would likely pressure us to get those, but he is less concerned with the others. 


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Nope, no vaxing for a while for us.

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I only do dtap, pc, hib, and rotavirus starting at 2mo. I also space them out so he never gets more than two at a time and there's a month between vax rounds. That's all DS1 has had so far at 27mo and I'll reevaluate what else to give him when he starts school.

I know that's more than a lot of mamas on here think is needed, but it's what DH and I feel comfortable with after all the research I've done.

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Nope.  

I encourage you to read up on all the diseases and all the vaccines.  I liked this book.  It's not an anti-vax book; Dr. Cave just lays out that history of each disease, the history of each vaccination, and then offers an alternative vaccine schedule at the end.  It's a nice format because each chapter covers a different disease/vaccination, so you don't have to read the whole book to learn about a particular vax.


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DH and I haven't agreed yet, but River has his 1month visit next week, so we really need to make some decisions. We definitely skipped hep b, andcI'm leaning towards a very selective few. DH wants to do the complete schedule, but I told him he doesn't get to have a voteuntil he does a little research. At least we both agree on a more delayed schedule.

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i do hib, dtap, and pc. 


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We're still undecided. I would prefer No vax. DH isn't quite on board with that yet, he's got to research it some. If we don't do no vax, we'll definitely be doing delayed/selective vax.

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Selectively.  At around 4 months I start with dtap.  I only do one injection at a time, one vaccine at a time, or if I do 2 at once, only one will contain mercury.  Dr Sears The Vaccine Book has a great alternate/selective schedule that you can follow, and LOTS of info about how the vaccines are made/what they are for.

 

Ultimately I think your ped is on the ball with those few he is stressing.  If he's ok with you delaying or not doing the others, that's pretty cool.  We do those.  I think the only ones we don't do are the Heps (at least not yet, DD is almost 3), rotavirus (b/c she's bf'ed and not in daycare) and the flu.  I'm still undecided about the varicella vax...

 

FWIW, I did a very slow delayed selective schedule with DD, and she's completely "caught up" already.  It didn't take long to get her all the shots she "needs" (I know that's up for debate) for public school.  It's totally doable and worth it IMO to break things up and know exactly which vaccines you are choosing for your child and deciding when they receive them.


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Selectively.  At around 4 months I start with dtap.  I only do one injection at a time, one vaccine at a time, or if I do 2 at once, only one will contain mercury.  Dr Sears The Vaccine Book has a great alternate/selective schedule that you can follow, and LOTS of info about how the vaccines are made/what they are for.

 

Ultimately I think your ped is on the ball with those few he is stressing.  If he's ok with you delaying or not doing the others, that's pretty cool.  We do those.  I think the only ones we don't do are the Heps (at least not yet, DD is almost 3), rotavirus (b/c she's bf'ed and not in daycare) and the flu.  I'm still undecided about the varicella vax...

 

FWIW, I did a very slow delayed selective schedule with DD, and she's completely "caught up" already.  It didn't take long to get her all the shots she "needs" (I know that's up for debate) for public school.  It's totally doable and worth it IMO to break things up and know exactly which vaccines you are choosing for your child and deciding when they receive them.


Carrie, I know with doing a delayed schedule, you end up going to more doctor visits overall. How did your ped office handle this? Did they give you a hassle? Also, I know this might be too personal and might differ by insurance, but do you have to pay all out of pocket for these extra visits since they aren't the usual well-baby visits?

 


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Nope, no vaxing for a while for us.


did you with DS? We havent done any with DD- she's 4- but the ? is on the table again.  I get too nervous about the side effects- then there are the horror stories about "what if"  your kid catches some awful disease.  I get so confused!

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I do not know what to do. I am terrified of pertussis. We did not vax DS, but pertussis is such a big deal now. The thing is - the dtap vax scares me as well! It is pretty much the worst one with the worst reactions. And my fear isn't based on things like ads and commercials, it's from reading books and research. I just am so torn and do not know what to do. I have complete peace about indefinitely delaying every other vax and not getting some like HEP B and varicella, polio.
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We were completely non-vaxing until dd2 got ashtma. We now vax for dtap starting at age 2 to 2.5 (they only need 4 of the 5 doses at that age) because of the pertussis risk. That's all we do.

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Tina, my ped office will make me a "nurse visit" if it's just for a vax.  It takes 5 min, and there's no copay because it's not a real dr visit.  They don't usually give a hassle, they're just happy the kid is getting the shots, in my experience.


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We are. We didn't do the Hep B at birth, but he'll end up getting it - my mother almost died of it. He might not get all of them - I've never seen the point of chicken pox, for example - but we'll work it out :)


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With DD we did dTap starting at 4 months and finished all boosters up to current, then we did the MMR when DD was a little over 2 yrs.   I only do one vaccine per visit and if DD is even remotely sick we wait till she is well. I may do a few others as she gets older, but we will see.

 

I plan on doing the same thing with DS, but will probably start at 6 months instead.  My policy, that I explained to DP, was that we would only do one at a time and if there are any bad reactions then we will not get any more boosters, period.  I could pretty easily move into the no vax camp, so this is our compromise.  I did a ton of research prior to DD's birth and feel good about our choices.


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Tina, my ped office will make me a "nurse visit" if it's just for a vax.  It takes 5 min, and there's no copay because it's not a real dr visit.  They don't usually give a hassle, they're just happy the kid is getting the shots, in my experience.


That's good to know. I have our first well baby visit next week, so I'll ask about this. Thanks! 

 


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did you with DS? We havent done any with DD- she's 4- but the ? is on the table again.  I get too nervous about the side effects- then there are the horror stories about "what if"  your kid catches some awful disease.  I get so confused!


We started DS on the Dr. Sears schedule originally. So he had DTaP @ 2 months (we skipped Rota, NO thanks to any live virus vaxes in our house), and then we did HiB and PCV @ 4 months. I was wary of vaccines before... The choice to do any at all was one I wasn't entirely comfortable with. When we got the 4 month vaccines, DS reacted scarily. His leg puffed up, and he screamed, more like shrieked, inconsolably for 4 straight hours. Nothing I did could console him, and it was quite frankly absolutely terrifying for both DH and I. And of course, the ped dismissed both the swelling and the "just some crying" as "perfectly normal." We will vaccinate our kids in the future, but at that point we made the decision to wait until they can communicate what's going on with words. I need to know what hurts, and if something doesn't feel right. And I also vowed to wait until I had found a ped who would take an incident like that seriously.

Vaccines are such a personal choice. What is right for one family, or even one child, isn't necessarily right for the next. Sigh.

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Vaccines are such a personal choice. What is right for one family, or even one child, isn't necessarily right for the next. Sigh.


Yes! And it's very hard to find good information! Gives me fits :P

I just want to do the best thing and usually the best thing isn't so hard to figure out :P

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Nope, we don't do any. I gave my first only DTaP at 2 months, I was going to pick and choose which vaxs we were going to do, that all went out the window with a vax reaction. She had the horrid scream that they do with swelling of the brain. Screamed the rest of that day which wasn't usual for her, she cried all the time anyway, but this was different, and then slept. I could barely get her to wake up to nurse for the next 2 days, that child never slept even as a baby and then was just off. Today she has multiple disorders, maybe she would of developed all of them anyway but I firmly believe that for her, the vaxing did not help. I found out later that my BIL suffered a vax reaction as a child and developed his tics because of it so there is a family history of vax reactions.

 

I am completely at peace with my decision. We did experience pertussis in a newborn with my second child and as awful as that was, it didn't change my mind. We've been exposed to Hib, had H1N1 back when it first came out and was a big deal, 2 of my 4 kids have had CP, all but this current baby have had rotavirus, we get true influenza every other year it seems, and I'm ok with it. Giving vaxs to my kids seem riskier IMO. 


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Becky, it really is hard to find good info.  It's all either: get all the vaxes or you're a horrible parent and your child will DIE!!  or: don't ever get a single vax, they are horrible and terrible things will happen to your child!!

 

It's very hard to find any balanced info.  I've found that I just have to pick my worry.  Will I worry more at night about risks wrt vaccinations?  or will I worry more about exposure to the diseases?  That's why we picked the ones we did.  I vax against the junk I feel there is a real risk of exposure, but hold off on the others.  It's such a personal choice.


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to be perfectly honest, this vaccination issues give my brain some serious pain. I checked the schedule for european countries and saw that it is pretty much the same schedule - at least what was posted online. We definitely skipped HepB and the Ped was more than ok w that and she follows Dr.Sears schedule..but still 4 vacs for a 2 month old little body seems...in humane! not sure why I just get very emotional and scared about this...

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Actually, it's more like seven vaccines (or eight, if the Hep B is given at two months) given in a variety of combinations.  DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, acelluar pertussis) is three vaccines in one dose.  

 

Trust your instincts, mamas!  Read everything you can get your hands on and know that you can *always* decide to do it later.  I vaccinated against my instincts with my first and I regret it.  
 


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We do not vax. The reasons why are much too many, but the more I thought about it when I was pregnant with our first, the more sure I have become of our decision. When I read this personal vaccination story by another mom, I know I wouldn't want to be in her place. Personally I think the chances of reactions are much too high and most diseases are treatable if the child isn't neglected. I would rather build her immune system than inject something that literally kills it. Not comfortable with any of the vaccine ingredients on all levels either. 

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Carrie, I know with doing a delayed schedule, you end up going to more doctor visits overall. How did your ped office handle this? Did they give you a hassle? Also, I know this might be too personal and might differ by insurance, but do you have to pay all out of pocket for these extra visits since they aren't the usual well-baby visits?

 

 

 

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Tina, my ped office will make me a "nurse visit" if it's just for a vax.  It takes 5 min, and there's no copay because it's not a real dr visit.  They don't usually give a hassle, they're just happy the kid is getting the shots, in my experience.

 

This is how it works for us, too.  I just schedule a nurse visit.  No copay for those.  It literally takes a minute -- no waiting in the waiting room, no waiting for the dr.  Just a quick in and out.  Takes longer to drive there.  

 

So many people are off schedule or doing a follow up schedule that they don't realize I'm doing anything different (as in making my OWN schedule).  No hassles, no problems at all.  
 

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Actually, it's more like seven vaccines (or eight, if the Hep B is given at two months) given in a variety of combinations.  DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, acelluar pertussis) is three vaccines in one dose.  

 

Trust your instincts, mamas!  Read everything you can get your hands on and know that you can *always* decide to do it later.  I vaccinated against my instincts with my first and I regret it.  
 


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It's important too to weigh your risk.  One child's risk is different than another.  If I couldn't/didn't breastfeed, or wasn't a SAHM, or if someone close to use had Hep B...my choices in vaxing would be different.

 

Figure out what is in each injection (b/c some have so many vaccines at once), weigh your risks, and go from there. 

 


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It's important too to weigh your risk.  One child's risk is different than another.  If I couldn't/didn't breastfeed, or wasn't a SAHM, or if someone close to use had Hep B...my choices in vaxing would be different.

 



Yes, this, exactly.  I feel very confident in our choice to not vaccinate at this point, but if our life circumstances changed, I think we would probably do some vaccines.   


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the dr.sears schedule actually has 2 vacs for two months...dtap is supposedly separate than the others, i m yet to confirm this - if not it makes 4 vacs.

not knowing if we will be putting her to day care in January is a big issue in deciding this..also;

has anyone changed their vac schedule due to a trip coming up involving flights?

 

as i said i know the info is out there but knowing that we have to do some vaccs (day care potential plus DH will be TAing undergrads this quarter) + just wanting to wait at least until 6or12 months old = me. emotionally drained -crying everytime we talk about this 

 

how do the babes react when the shots are administered?

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the dr.sears schedule actually has 2 vacs for two months...dtap is supposedly separate than the others, i m yet to confirm this - if not it makes 4 vacs.

not knowing if we will be putting her to day care in January is a big issue in deciding this..also;

has anyone changed their vac schedule due to a trip coming up involving flights?

 

as i said i know the info is out there but knowing that we have to do some vaccs (day care potential plus DH will be TAing undergrads this quarter) + just wanting to wait at least until 6or12 months old = me. emotionally drained -crying everytime we talk about this 

 

how do the babes react when the shots are administered?



hug2.gif  It's tough, I hear you.  Especially when you and your partner don't agree.  Just remember you can always change your mind and get them if you delay some or choose not to at this time.  

 


IME, small babies cry hard when they are injected, but then if you nurse right away, all is forgotten.  At least for me, it's a little heartbreaking, but being able to pull them right to my breast and give them comfort makes me feel like I'm doing something about their pain.  Sometimes afterwards they get crabby, or restless.  Anything more worrysome like a true vaccine reaction should be reported to VAERS, though.  Most parents don't know about this.  Nothing can be done to make our vaccines safer unless all reactions and injuries are reported.


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IME, small babies cry hard when they are injected, but then if you nurse right away, all is forgotten.  At least for me, it's a little heartbreaking, but being able to pull them right to my breast and give them comfort makes me feel like I'm doing something about their pain.  Sometimes afterwards they get crabby, or restless.  Anything more worrysome like a true vaccine reaction should be reported to VAERS, though.  Most parents don't know about this.  Nothing can be done to make our vaccines safer unless all reactions and injuries are reported.



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I think the schedule is about the same here, though they don't do HepB at all and only recently added the "extra" vaxs that we didn't get as kids. And I think you still have to pay for chicken pox yourself because it's not considered truly necessary.

 

DH and I decided, somewhat arbitrarily maybe, to give her those vaxs that we got as kids and none of the "newfangled" ones. So dtap, polio, and mmr. They want us to do dtap at 2 months but I don't think I'm comfortable with that - was thinking of waiting until maybe 4 months. Also only one shot at a time - they would want us to do dtap, polio, and hib at 2 months! It actually kind of shocked me to see that.

 

I'm not too worried about measles, but mumps and rubella I'd like to give my kids immunity to for future reproductive reasons, and chances are they won't catch the diseases naturally as kids. Polio, diphtheria and tetanus (since we don't live on a farm or anything) are very rare but serious enough that I'd like to avoid them. Also pertussis seems like a real pita. I've never gotten a flu vaccine and we used to get it every other year as kids and were fine, so none of that. The chickenpox one I consider a joke. The others I'd never heard of until very recently and I figure if my generation survived without them then DD will too. Oh and definitely no gardasil, though we have a while before crossing that bridge.

 

Our nurse is old enough to have had half the diseases I was vaccinated for, and has no problems with us delaying/being selective. The only one she wanted to see DD get early is pertussis. Also according to the nurse the newer version of the dtap has very few reactions - apparently they changed something recently?

 

I am also with everyone else on wishing there were more objective sources for vaccine info! I'm basically making my decisions based on what I've been able to filter out from the ideology of both sides. 


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Yes---and make sure to get the package insert with the lot number on it, just in case you need to report a reaction.  I know many parents also ask that the vaccines be drawn up in front of them as an added safety measure to make sure the right vaccines are being given.  (Often the nurse will come in with syringes of vaccine already drawn up; you would need to ask about this ahead of time.)  
 

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   Anything more worrysome like a true vaccine reaction should be reported to VAERS, though.   


 


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