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Hi mamas~ 

I've been feeling a foot poking out on my right side, right under my ribs for a week or so very strong.  And then yesterday while with my mw, we were pretty sure we felt a hand or elbow on the bottom left.  So, it seems baby is head down, but possibly posterior? I haven't seen any limbs go across the front of my belly though.  My mw says hands and knees 2x a day for 15 minutes.  Im hoping to help baby turn... back labor is more painful, no? anyone know of other symptoms of posterior positioning so I could be sure this is whats happening? 

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I am!  I am!  I'm 38.5 weeks. My midwife told me last week that the baby is super low and head down but probably posterior.  She seems really comfy there, too.  Sigh.  I feel a lot of knees up high and hiccups down at my left hip, as well as little fingers trailing around my private parts and occasionally punching me.  All movement is definitely in front for me!  I also have an anterior placenta, which makes posterior positioning more likely.

 

I have to admit that I do hands and knees, but probably not as much as I should.  I guess I'm hoping she'll turn during labor?  I had HORRIBLE back labor with my DS, and although I don't know whether he was posterior or not at birth (the OB practice never bothered to tell me and I didn't know to ask back then!), I am suspicious that he was posterior when I was in labor.  He came out in 15 minutes of pushing, so I wonder if he turned sometime during transition.

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Im right there with you on all those movement feelings. I have all the same! hiccups in the exact same spot.  Im wondering how do you tell if your baby does successfully turn? Would you stop feeling all movement... I don't know if I've ever felt movement in my back area throughout the entire pg.  Would that be what a turned baby felt like.. ? 


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I don't think you really feel movements to the back. The few times my baby has had their back right to my center front I feel nothing. I feel all pushes, moves to my left side.. but I can feel the hard ridge of the back better my right hip and belly button. Mamareba it sounds like you are feeling more what I am feeling.. which would be ROT on this image here on Spinning Babies.com

 

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I am!  I am!  I'm 38.5 weeks. My midwife told me last week that the baby is super low and head down but probably posterior.  She seems really comfy there, too.  Sigh.  I feel a lot of knees up high and hiccups down at my left hip, as well as little fingers trailing around my private parts and occasionally punching me.  All movement is definitely in front for me!  I also have an anterior placenta, which makes posterior positioning more likely.

 

I have to admit that I do hands and knees, but probably not as much as I should.  I guess I'm hoping she'll turn during labor?  I had HORRIBLE back labor with my DS, and although I don't know whether he was posterior or not at birth (the OB practice never bothered to tell me and I didn't know to ask back then!), I am suspicious that he was posterior when I was in labor.  He came out in 15 minutes of pushing, so I wonder if he turned sometime during transition.



this is my situation EXACTLY- Ive actually  been trying to stop obsessing about the position because i was driving myself CRAZY.   I am experiencing some PTSD as labor approaches - DD was posterior and a 48 hr back labor.  I have much more support and options this time and am working more on positive thoughts/relaxation/letting go- with some cat/cows in there (but not as much as I "Should" be doing either)

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I don't think you really feel movements to the back. The few times my baby has had their back right to my center front I feel nothing. I feel all pushes, moves to my left side.. but I can feel the hard ridge of the back better my right hip and belly button. Mamareba it sounds like you are feeling more what I am feeling.. which would be ROT on this image here on Spinning Babies.com

 

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do you know what "ROT" or "LOT" stands for - is this a form of transverse?

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this is what I found online for a definition: 

 

"When the baby is facing out the mother's left thigh, the baby is said to be Right Occiput Transverse (ROT). This position is half way between a posterior and anterior position. It can indicate positive movements towards an anterior position if the baby has previously been known to be posterior (in either direction)."


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this is what I found online for a definition: 

 

"When the baby is facing out the mother's left thigh, the baby is said to be Right Occiput Transverse (ROT). This position is half way between a posterior and anterior position. It can indicate positive movements towards an anterior position if the baby has previously been known to be posterior (in either direction)."



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Mine has apparently been alternating between LOT and ROT with her feet stretched out kind of above her head, so I feel all the movement on either side of my uterus.


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Hey ladies, I had an OP baby first time around and he turned while I was pushing. Yes it was agony but I wanted to just say that the tub helped me enormously during labor if your little ones don't turn. Once I knew I was in established labor, I used the tub at home for a few hours and then jumped in the water birth tub at the hospital for another few hours. All in all, my labor was 13 hours long which I don't think is too bad for a first birth AND being OP. So just wanted to say don't worry too much and do all the exercises you can to turn the babe now and when in labor.

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yeah. He was OP yesterday in the morning, then went back to his usual ROA. Three days ago he spent some time LOA/LOT. 

 

They move. A whole bunch sometimes.

 

And if you read the textbooks - the baby engages in the pelvis in an OT/OP and asynclitic position before turning more anterior. 

 

*shrug* I'm not a fan of the pre-labor compulsive baby positioning. 

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My last babe was OP, thanks to my placenta.  I was fully expecting back labor.  During labor I spent the entire time on my knees either leaning over the ball or the side of the tub.  I didn't get ANY back labor, he turned during labor.  I definitely think this was attributed to me getting in the position that felt best for me.  HTH!


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I had a c/s after a loooooong horrifically painful back labor with no breaks (32+ hours) with a posterior babe who was also asynclitic (as we learned after the c/s, she was presenting more or less with her ear)

 

I then had a textbook labor and vbac with a posterior babe (anterior placenta, lots of spinning babies, no back labor and actual honest to gods spaces between the contractions!)

 

Next babe was in a beautiful position for birth, and it did indeed go very quickly, but it was one non-stop contraction and despite being shorter the intensity of sensation was something I never want to experience again.

 

This time I have another anterior placenta and posterior babe.  I am hoping she turns, or at least that the labor goes smoothly so that I can work with my body instead of being overwhelmed. 

 

I'm a belly dancer so I do a lot of pelvic rocking and whatnot anyway, and I do encorporate spinning babies/optimal fetal positioning ideas as they fit naturally into my life.  I also realize that so much depends on the individual babe and on how they, uniquely, fit with the specific labor experience my body is producing.  My smallest babe developed shoulder dystocia and we both had a lot of birth trauma as a result, my fastest birth was with my biggest babe... every babe, every birth is different!  I just keep reminding myself of that.  LOL


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very reassuring and eases the obsession over position- thank you!!

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So... I've been to the acupuncturist twice... and my mw suggests I get chiropractic next week.  Im due Sept. 4th.  anyone have any success with chiro for flipping babe? Im running out of money and I've never had chiro before.  so, Im unsure about doing it.  all I know is I want to be able to stay at home for the birth.  It does seem obsessive on one hand, but I guess Im just considering everything I can possibly do to be able to remain at home.  Maybe I shouldn't be trying to control baby so much?? 


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I'd spend the money on a nice relaxing massage or some flowers or something delicious to eat! if babies inside the womb are anything like babies outside the womb, they aren't always cooperative ;)

 

Besides, mine just flipped from breech to head down at 37 weeks and I didn't do anything at all...I think that much of it is luck.

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I have worries about baby's positioning as well (first baby was acynclitic and we had a loooong pushing stage) which I talked to my midwife about last visit. She endorsed my good posture and birth-ball sitting, but told me she had recently attended a training with Penny Simkin (birth doula extraordinaire and one of the authors of 'Pregnancy, Childbirth and the Newborn') in which Penny explained her survey of available studies on posterior positioning-- and NOT finding a correlation between OP position and back labor. I myself know a couple of moms who have experienced excruciating back labor with OA babes. Anyway, that little nugget of info made me feel a bit better. 

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My 2nd daughter Meadow came out posterior. She was in the proper position until my water broke and then she turned face up. It was a little scary in the moment but she was fine.


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Thats great info... Im feeling like skipping the chiro because I've always heard once you start with that you can never stop... and I don't know if its something I want to start... Im feeling positive about my birth and my baby! 


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I go to a chiro as needed and dont feel boxed in for life. I go for the, dont fix whats not broken, theory rather than the constant regimin. So when I feel I need it, I know she is there for me and will fit me in. My insurance covers it, although I think my $30 co-pay sucks, its better than out of pocket. I went for SPD and when it cleared up to a point of being tolerable, I stopped, now Im back for the last 3 weeks of my pregnancy (or less!) to make sure not only IM in alignment for the birth, but baby is happily sitting where she needs to be too. My chiro doesnt "move" the baby, she loosens up tissues (myofacial release) so baby is free to move where she is suppose to go on her own. After one treatment today I feel so much better and she is not crunched in a ball on the right side of my uterus restricting my ureter and beating the heck out of my liver and ribs. And I have to admit, the bodily functions are running a lot better now..sorry for the TMI! lol


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I "use" chiro kind of like... hmmmm... maybe antibiotics?  It's not something I'd ever consider as a "normal part of healthy living", but more of an option to treat a specific condition type thing.  I was in an accident several years ago and had a wonderful chiropractor who helped me get back into shape, but once I was in shape I didn't keep going.  I just kept doing my regular "healthy life" stuff.

 

I do know a few people who have regular chiropractic sessions, but many of them have chronic health conditions (lupus and ms specifically) that they kind of have to stay on top of.  So I think for them chiropractic /is/ part of a regular health maintainance routine.  But I don't think it needs to be, or even should be, for most people.  Like anything, it's probably better to try and find out what is causing the "problem" that chiro is "fixing" and then addressing that.  Kind of like you might use antibiotics for an accute infection but once you're feeling better you can change your diet and lifestyle to enhance your immune system and prevent future infections?  For some people regular chiro (or acupuncture, or homeopathics, or massage) may be necessary, but it's probably not for most people.

 

Though if it feels good, and you can afford it, it certainly wont hurt!  :)


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I go to a chiro as needed and dont feel boxed in for life. I go for the, dont fix whats not broken, theory rather than the constant regimin. So when I feel I need it, I know she is there for me and will fit me in. 



This is sort of how we use it as well.  Basically we average being seen about once a month except during times when I need it more.  Like during pregnancy or the first few months of having a baby when my back and shoulders are in knots.  It seems like I'm always doing something causing me to overdo it get my hips or shoulders out of alignment or something.  Country life is not so gentle on the body.  :)  I take the kids to be seen about once a month too as part of regular maintenance.  I think it's more important for them because of how much they fall and can throw themselves out of alignment so easily and are growing  so fast.  And it's a good tool to help with nursing new littles and to prevent ear infections and promote good immune health.

 

Right now I'm going about every 2 weeks, but it's just on an as needed basis.  I don't set up appointments in advance.  I just wait until I feel like I need it and then call and have them work me in that day or the next.

 

I know some places try to get you to commit to 3 times a week, but I only see the need for something like that if you're having a REAL problem that needs corrected and only for the first couple of weeks and then backing off of it. 

 

 

 


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Ended up going to the chiro today... she did mostly gentle touch work.  Baby hasn't dropped yet, so hopefully we have time to make a little more room for little one :) 


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My little bundle of joy has been head down with his back along my right side and his feet in my left ribs since 28 weeks with no obvious change in position. I expect he might be borderline posterior (is there such a thing?) But after stressing for MONTHS that the hard bump I felt under my right ribs was his head (its his butt), I felt him saying "take a chill pill mom, I've got this!"

Honestly I may be the only one but I HATE the spinning babies site, it always gives me the sense that or bodies and babies dont inherently work, and that is just not something I'm comfortable buying into. I think there was a great post about posterior babies on the midwifethinking blog, it was very reassuring to me. Also, I think Gloria Lemay discussed it on her blog also.

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