Vaccinations? - Mothering Forums

Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
#1 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 04:47 PM - Thread Starter
 
jasmin85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

I know there are threads all over the Mothering Boards for Vaccinations, but I was wondering what you all thought about them?  My 5 year old is not vaccinated, but she will be attending public school in Seattle (lots of people do not vaccinate in our area) and I am wondering if I should get her some of the vaccines to help protect baby.  Most of our issues lie in the high doses given to infants, the combinations, as well as the fact that many of the viruses (etc) are not often deadly (ie- measles, chicken pox).  BUT, things like Pertussis concern me a bit.  Basically, I'd hate for her to bring something home, whereas she stayed home with me, and breastfed, so her exposure risk was low in comparison to what this baby will have.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

jasmin85 is offline  
#2 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 05:04 PM
 
dashley111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,796
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

I live in a rural area outside of Tacoma.  I did a TON of research when I learned that not vaxing was an option.  I spent many years thinking that for your child to go to school, they HAD to be vaccinated- I never knew this was optional.  My son always had terrible reactions and high fevers in response to vaccines.  I was SO GLAD to learn I did not "have" to vaccinate.  With my daughter it was an easy choice- she had siezures in response to vaccines.  She is, and will always be, completely unvaccinated.  Her ped does not even push for vaccines, and agrees that he would never try to give her one again.

 

When I was weighing what I felt was important I did a lot of research into what was common in the area.  Im generally against vaxing, but I worked as a nurse and was exposed to all kinds of thing I knew I was possibly bringing home to my children.  So, the only vaccinations my son has had since is the DpT.  I want him to have a tetnus shot because we live on a farm- I think its important.  And pertussis is RAMPANT in out area.  Working in hospitals I saw so much devastation and heart ache and very sick children- I knew that for my child and because of the rate of pertussis in our area, and my constant exposure to it, plus my sons asthma, I wanted him to have that particular vaccine.  That was a personal preference that I developed based on my own research and beliefs.

 

I dont find measles or mumps to be scarier than the MMR.  I personally believe the MMR is one of the most dangerous vaccines out there, and that the effects my children would have from contracting any of those viruses are far less harmful than the potential effects of the vaccine. 

 

In fact, in King and Kitsap counties there have been reported cases of Measles in the last few weeks, and Im not terrified by that fact at all.

 

 


 
 
Ash- DS 2003, DD 2006, and one baby Turkey born on Thanksgiving.

dashley111 is offline  
#3 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 05:05 PM
 
SoCaliMommy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 4,005
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)

 My almost 8 year old was vaxed on schedule til around age 3. My 5 year old was vaxed til 4months old and nothing since then.

 

 I don't plan on giving them any vaccines or any vaccines to the new baby at all. 


Kami(31)DH(35)Alex(11),(4/05) (7/05),Ryker(8)(11/10) 
Harlan (11/4/2011)http://www.desertreadingloft.com--Independent Usborne Books Consultant
SoCaliMommy is offline  
#4 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 05:15 PM - Thread Starter
 
jasmin85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Thanks Dashley, nice to hear from a fellow Washingtonian.  I agree, we were thinking about getting her both Pertussis and Tetanus, and MMR has been our biggest concern as far as the actual vaccine being a worry.  We'll talk to our Naturopath for sure, but I like hearing from others and their experiences/concerns/thoughts. 

jasmin85 is offline  
#5 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 06:26 PM
 
Abraisme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Portland, Or
Posts: 4,059
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)

Both of my children are 'mostly' unvaccinated.  They've both had tetanus for cuts or animal bites, but that's it.   Personally, I wouldn't (and didn't) consider vaccinating because an older child went to school. 


Abra, Married to George, Mother to DS 12/03 & DD1 08/09 & DD2 12/11.  We are planning our next adventure to South America in April 2014!
Abraisme is offline  
#6 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 07:10 PM
 
musicmama08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 113
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Our almost 3 year old is completely unvaxed.  DH is pushing to get him some before preschool in the fall, and the only one I've even thought of is DTAP.  I was completely unvaxed as a child and went to public schools and never got one of the vaccine-preventable diseases (vpd's), though I suspect I had pertussis in Middle School which was never diagnosed.  That's another story.

 

I talked to my midwife today about the fact that I was not immune to rubella, and she said if I ever knew of anyone who had it while I was not pregnant to go and try to catch it because it is such a mild disease.  She was really concerned that I work in a school, though, but I have never heard of anyone, I mean, anyone having rubella.  She also said a lot more people were choosing to not vax there kids these days, and vpd's were on the rise or were going to be on the rise.

 

I guess my biggest concern is pertussis, but my DH is also worried that he would be shamed by his family if our DS got a vpd that he was "supposed" to be vaxed for since they all don't know.


Me (30) and DH (30), DS (7/1/08), DD (12/1/11) and finally expecting a new little one end of Jan/early Feb 2015!  
musicmama08 is offline  
#7 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 11:21 PM
 
LiLStar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: WA
Posts: 3,372
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)

Hey, another washingtonian :) I'm right on the northern tip of lake washington. We don't vax, and I'm not worried about the older ones exposing the newbie. The pertussis vax is not effective against preventing transmission. Its a toxoid vaccine which gives you immunity to the toxin produced by the bacteria that makes you cough. You can still be infected with pertussis and spread it, but you won't necessarily know you're sick! So big kids hugging and kissing on baby.. definitely an easy way to spread it. If another family member contracted pertussis and its caught early, prophylactic abx in the rest of the family can offer some protection from catching it themselves. If a person infected with pertussis is dxed early and abx started right away, that can also prevent transmission. There are some old threads around here if you go digging about using Sodium Ascorbate to treat pertussis. It is said to greatly reduce severity and duration of the illness. 

 

Wow, we should go hang out in some crowded places ;) Maybe we can get exposed to one of those king county measles cases!! lol


dd (7) ds (5), ds (2) &3rdtri.gif hbac.gif and the furbabies cat.gifZeus, Dobby, Luna, & Ravenclaw
LiLStar is online now  
#8 of 36 Old 06-15-2011, 11:59 PM
 
justamama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 1,046
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

We don't vaccinate. Once dd1 is old enough to get JUST the tetanus by itself (I think they had to be 7? She'll be six this month I need to re-check that), she'll get that one just because we do have animals, and are outdoors a lot playing in different areas. I suspect she had pertussis at 16 months...a few days fever and a cough that stayed for a few months. It just never got severe enough that she was gasping/turning blue (was also still primarily breastfed and I've read it's less severe in children who are breastfeeding while infected), so doctor's just said it was a cold and wouldn't test for it.

 

Since I've had my titers drawn and am immune, I am taking the kids to a pox party on Friday. :)


Deni. I'm the liberal, Jesus-loving, hippie freak your mama warned you about. Expecting a cinco surprise, spring 2014!
justamama is offline  
#9 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 06:41 AM
 
Jaimee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle, Tucson, Austin, Baltimore. Now: Urbana, IL
Posts: 7,473
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

We didn't do much vax research prior to dd's birth and simply decided to decline a few of the obviously unnecessary ones (chicken pox, rota, etc.) and delay the others, spread them out.  So she got 2 rounds of DTaP and IPV and one HiB.  Just before her second dose of HiB I had this gut feeling that we shouldn't do it and started doing more research and decided against doing any more.  We didn't vax ds at all.  Then his toenail got ripped off by a door and the ER doctor scared us into the tetanus.  I did ask for the monovax, though, and checked the insert to confirm.  He's only 17 months and the doctor said it was fine to give him, so I'm not sure what the 7 year old stipulation is/was?  I hope I wasn't duped while I was vulnerable with my bleeding screaming child.  Ugh.

 

Anyway, I'm with most of you and believe that the majority of these diseases are relatively harmless- not at all worth the risk of the vax- and natural immunity is so much better.  But I'm not against certain vaxes when they're older  (like IPV for example), especially if they plan to travel to more risky countries.

 

I personally would not worry too much about older siblings bringing stuff home to a nursing newborn and would hold off on vaxing an older child until their tweens or so.


Mama to Avalon 1/07 waterbirth.jpg, Austin 1/10 in between uc.jpgand Avery 12/11  h20homebirth.gif
fambedsingle1.gif   femalesling.GIF   winner.jpg   cd.gif     ecbaby2.gif  novaxnocirc.gif   goorganic.jpg  

Jaimee is offline  
#10 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 07:19 AM
 
dashley111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,796
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


Quote:
Originally Posted by LiLStar View Post

 

Wow, we should go hang out in some crowded places ;) Maybe we can get exposed to one of those king county measles cases!! lol



I promise to share if we catch it!  Haha.  But I have to say, Ive been trying to get my kids chickenpox and haven't found it successfully in over 8 years!  You would think THAT one would be easier to find...with the amount of shopping cart handles and shoes my kids chew on they are natural immunity professionals :P

 

Breastfeeding provides immunity to most things mom has been exposed to, or lessens the severity of whatever it is that's contracted.  One reason why extended breastfeeding can be encouraged in children who aren't vaccinated. 


 
 
Ash- DS 2003, DD 2006, and one baby Turkey born on Thanksgiving.

dashley111 is offline  
#11 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Abraisme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Portland, Or
Posts: 4,059
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)

My DD got a Tetanus only shot when she was about 18mo..  She got bit by a cat and my pedi didn't tell me anything about an age restriction. 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by justamama View Post

We don't vaccinate. Once dd1 is old enough to get JUST the tetanus by itself (I think they had to be 7? She'll be six this month I need to re-check that), she'll get that one just because we do have animals, and are outdoors a lot playing in different areas. I suspect she had pertussis at 16 months...a few days fever and a cough that stayed for a few months. It just never got severe enough that she was gasping/turning blue (was also still primarily breastfed and I've read it's less severe in children who are breastfeeding while infected), so doctor's just said it was a cold and wouldn't test for it.

 

Since I've had my titers drawn and am immune, I am taking the kids to a pox party on Friday. :)



 


Abra, Married to George, Mother to DS 12/03 & DD1 08/09 & DD2 12/11.  We are planning our next adventure to South America in April 2014!
Abraisme is offline  
#12 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Lula's Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Roswell, GA
Posts: 4,579
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

 

All of my kids are unvaxed.  They are 9, 6 and 21 months.  So far we have not seen any negatives.  My almost 10 year old may have had pertussis when she was about 3. She had classic symptoms for a couple of weeks, but we didn't test for it. Like Lilstar said, we did the sodium ascorbate treatment that I found on the vaccination forum, and the duration was greatly reduced. 

 

Maybe tetanus should make me afraid but... I'm not.  I guess I worry so much more about side effects from vaccines! Tetanus is in soil and dust and animals.  Despite there being tetanus-causing bacteria on nearly everything, it's rare to get the disease. From what I have read, lots of times tetanus spores are on whatever gives you the cut and may be present in the wound, but unless conditions are just right (it needs an anaerobic environment, so almost always a puncture wound that doesn't bleed) then they won't set up shop and grow. Even the puncture wounds we've had usually bleed, like when a dog bit my son in the neck... and we irrigate them well of course.  I have had big splinters that didn't bleed though, so those are possible sources.  My last booster was maybe 13 years ago?  I don't plan to get another one.

 

It's my belief that vaccines are a cause of chronic illness and autoimmune diseases that we're seeing so much of today.  I don't want to do that to my kids...  if they want to get vaccinated when they are adults, that is up to them. 


~*Kristi*~
Tallulah Dare 8-01,  Marcos Gael 12-04, Cormac Mateo 9-09, Leonidas Ronan 11-11

Lula's Mom is offline  
#13 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 08:28 AM - Thread Starter
 
jasmin85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

We wanted a Tetanus vaccine ONLY because that was the only one our ND actually was concerned about.  I'm only worried about Whooping Cough, and Polio really...because those can be deadly and/or seriously debilitating in babies and young children.  It's good to know though that Pertussis can still be transmitted despite the vaccine.  Actually, I think it was the Stranger that just did an article this week, and it just has me thinking.  I am so torn between being afraid of getting the vaccines and getting the actual virus/diseases.  Most of them are completely mild, for sure, but the ones that aren't, well, it can be scary.  My mother-in-law had Polio and was lucky to have survived with no repercussions.  Would LOVE to get the Chicken Pox for my daughter (LOL) but haven't found anyone  =(

 

I just hate the parent-guilt involved in all of this, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I'm not FOR vaccines, but also consider that I was vaccinated.  Although, when I was vaccinated it was maybe a half dozen shots versus, what, 30 by the age of 6?! 

 

It's also true that BF helps the wee-one, which is part of the reason we didn't vac DD1...thanks for the support and stories, ladies.

jasmin85 is offline  
#14 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 08:42 AM
 
talktomenow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 3,993
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

OP, I understand where you are coming from on the exposing the baby thing. Completely. My story:

 

I did not vax either of my girls. I decided to wait and figure out exactly how I wanted to do things. Well, now they are 6 and 9, and I'm still figuring it out! What started to bother me was stories of babies and toddlers being infected with measles and getting very sick. I read about intentionally unvaxed kids sometimes (maybe??) being the source of this. (Please don't flame me if I am way off base... of course I heard this from mainstream media outlets. I know I need to research this more, I'm just sharing what I did!) I just felt like I would hate for my dds to infect anyone else because of my choices.  Around this same time, I realized that we had still never known anyone to get chicken pox. I didn't think my girls were likely to catch it naturally. So, after talking a lot with their *very* natural family positive pediatrician, I did decide to vax them for MMR and chicken pox. My 9 yr old got those when she was 8, and my 6 yr old will get them soon. I also got them pertussis two years ago. Their father was very worried as there had been an outbreak. 

 

So, those were my personal decisions. I'm okay with them. :) I feel good about waiting until they were much older to do anything. I don't think they will have any other vaxes. And I will definitely not vax this baby, either. 


Amanda, mom to dsd (16), dd (11), dd (8), and ds (born 11/12/11).
 

talktomenow is offline  
#15 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 09:06 AM - Thread Starter
 
jasmin85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Part of the difficulty is that in some non-vaccinating information the articles will use the same type of scare tactics that the medical community does and all I end up with is a feeling of fear and worry.  It's frustrating.  I obviously want my child(ren) protected from something potentially deadly and also want to protect them from potential harm from something meant to help.  I also do not want to spread something inadvertently (even chicken pox) to someone whose child's immune system can not handle it.  It's rare, but so is the possibility of a bad response from a vaccine (so I've read).  Both are few and far between (to varying degrees, and depending on where you are reading from) and I would hate to be a "few" on either spectrum.  I understand why people are passionate about it, because it deals with the potential health and well being of their children.  Of course it matters.  But, what to do? 

 

I'm SO glad that this thread did not get all judge-y.  As parents we all try to make the best decisions for our offspring, and we have enough guilt of our own without people shoving stuff in our faces about the choices we have made, or will potentially make.  You all rock! thumb.gif

jasmin85 is offline  
#16 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Jaimee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle, Tucson, Austin, Baltimore. Now: Urbana, IL
Posts: 7,473
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


Quote:
Originally Posted by dashley111 View Post

I promise to share if we catch it!  Haha.  But I have to say, Ive been trying to get my kids chickenpox and haven't found it successfully in over 8 years!

I read this BLOG where a mom had her chicken pox infected kid where a t-shirt around for a bit and then sealed it in a ziplock bag and mailed it to her sister.  The sister put the shirt on each of her kids and all contracted the illness in turn.  Interesting!
 

 


Mama to Avalon 1/07 waterbirth.jpg, Austin 1/10 in between uc.jpgand Avery 12/11  h20homebirth.gif
fambedsingle1.gif   femalesling.GIF   winner.jpg   cd.gif     ecbaby2.gif  novaxnocirc.gif   goorganic.jpg  

Jaimee is offline  
#17 of 36 Old 06-16-2011, 08:52 PM
 
MsVyky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 1,289
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

My daughter will remain unvaccinated until I feel it is safe to do so, and even then very selectively, if at all.


tea6.gifStudent mama to Lyra June loveeyes.gif (ribboncesarean.gif 10.24.09)  and Olive Isis love.gif  (vbac.gif12.12.11) 

MsVyky is offline  
#18 of 36 Old 06-20-2011, 07:33 PM
 
KaliShanti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Lindale,TX
Posts: 2,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

We do not vax.


Jesus-loving Doula/Birth Photographer Mama to Tor 4/2007, Zion 11/2009, Enoch 11/2011, and Zephyr due 12/13/2013

KaliShanti is offline  
#19 of 36 Old 06-21-2011, 05:09 AM
 
Gemini529's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 271
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Weeelll....I didn't to a TON of research....but I did read a lot online and I read the Dr. Sears The Vaccine Book.  I thought that was a really easy read.  It actually made me a little more comfortable with the vaccines I did get for DS.  He didn't get anything until 6 mos...but I had other worries about him that prevented me from vaxing at that point.  From 6 mos - 1 all he had was DTAP.  Then a few weeks after her turned 1 he got the MMR, which he did fine with.  At 15 mos, he'll get PC and HIB (Dr. says that's all he'll need for those two at that point).  Then, we'll think about the ones he missed.  Oh and we missed the boat for Rota, but I saw some sketchy news right around when he would have gotten it and I decided against it.  I actually think he already had rotavirus at around 8 mos but I"m not sure.  It certainly seemed like it from the experience!  

 

ETA, I think I will do the same ones with DS2 but start earlier.

Gemini529 is offline  
#20 of 36 Old 06-21-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Apmama210's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 39
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

We do not vaccinate at all...

Apmama210 is offline  
#21 of 36 Old 06-21-2011, 05:38 PM
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 152
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

We haven't vaccinated ds since he was 13 months, and at 13 months he had all the vaccines a four year old entering preschool needed in IL. I wasn't too happy about that. This lo wont be vaccinated at all.


Me + DH = DS (7) and DD born 10-27-11, an accidental UC!!  novaxnocirc.gifhomebirth.jpgwinner.jpgcd.gif 
Ajbaby is offline  
#22 of 36 Old 06-23-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Jaimee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle, Tucson, Austin, Baltimore. Now: Urbana, IL
Posts: 7,473
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajbaby View Post

We haven't vaccinated ds since he was 13 months, and at 13 months he had all the vaccines a four year old entering preschool needed in IL. I wasn't too happy about that. This lo wont be vaccinated at all.
 

Where are you in central Illinois?  My family is relocating to the Urbana-Champaign area in about a month!  I just sent in all the preschool paperwork to CDL on the UI campus and had to write a letter explaining why we do not vaccinate.  I really had to get creative since we are not religious.  I'm still waiting to hear from them to see if it met with their approval.


Mama to Avalon 1/07 waterbirth.jpg, Austin 1/10 in between uc.jpgand Avery 12/11  h20homebirth.gif
fambedsingle1.gif   femalesling.GIF   winner.jpg   cd.gif     ecbaby2.gif  novaxnocirc.gif   goorganic.jpg  

Jaimee is offline  
#23 of 36 Old 06-23-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 152
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

I'm in Peoria.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimee View Post



Where are you in central Illinois?  My family is relocating to the Urbana-Champaign area in about a month!  I just sent in all the preschool paperwork to CDL on the UI campus and had to write a letter explaining why we do not vaccinate.  I really had to get creative since we are not religious.  I'm still waiting to hear from them to see if it met with their approval.



 


Me + DH = DS (7) and DD born 10-27-11, an accidental UC!!  novaxnocirc.gifhomebirth.jpgwinner.jpgcd.gif 
Ajbaby is offline  
#24 of 36 Old 06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Jaimee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle, Tucson, Austin, Baltimore. Now: Urbana, IL
Posts: 7,473
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Ah, you have the API group by you, huh?  That's about an hour out of U-C? 


Mama to Avalon 1/07 waterbirth.jpg, Austin 1/10 in between uc.jpgand Avery 12/11  h20homebirth.gif
fambedsingle1.gif   femalesling.GIF   winner.jpg   cd.gif     ecbaby2.gif  novaxnocirc.gif   goorganic.jpg  

Jaimee is offline  
#25 of 36 Old 09-01-2011, 10:38 AM
 
AnnieMaxwell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Just wondering about this: my three year old girl will start preschool this Fall and doesn't have the Hep B vaccine.  She is using the toilet now and I worry about something (I know, gross but a possibility?) of like someone leaving some menstrual blood on toilet and my child who touches the seat and her own dody parts as she learns to go potty and also what if teacher gets like a papercut or cut on finger and then helps the children- any thoughts? thank you

AnnieMaxwell is offline  
#26 of 36 Old 09-01-2011, 11:00 AM
 
jbk21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,250
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Can it spread this way?  From my understanding it would need to be more invasive contact....
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnieMaxwell View Post

Just wondering about this: my three year old girl will start preschool this Fall and doesn't have the Hep B vaccine.  She is using the toilet now and I worry about something (I know, gross but a possibility?) of like someone leaving some menstrual blood on toilet and my child who touches the seat and her own dody parts as she learns to go potty and also what if teacher gets like a papercut or cut on finger and then helps the children- any thoughts? thank you



 

jbk21 is offline  
#27 of 36 Old 09-01-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Abraisme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Portland, Or
Posts: 4,059
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)

I'm pretty sure that it needs to be fresh, blood-to-blood type exposure.  Just like you can't get HIV from a toilet seat because the virus dies as soon as it contacts air.  The people most at risk are drug users and people who have a lot of sexual partners.  I highly doubt that any child ever got it from a toilet..
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbk21 View Post

Can it spread this way?  From my understanding it would need to be more invasive contact....
 



 



 


Abra, Married to George, Mother to DS 12/03 & DD1 08/09 & DD2 12/11.  We are planning our next adventure to South America in April 2014!
Abraisme is offline  
#28 of 36 Old 09-01-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Jaimee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle, Tucson, Austin, Baltimore. Now: Urbana, IL
Posts: 7,473
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

From the CDC about Hep B transmission:

 

Quote:

How is HBV transmitted?

HBV is transmitted through activities that involve percutaneous (i.e., puncture through the skin) or mucosal contact with infectious blood or body fluids (e.g., semen, saliva), including

  • Sex with an infected partner
  • Injection drug use that involves sharing needles, syringes, or drug-preparation equipment
  • Birth to an infected mother
  • Contact with blood or open sores of an infected person
  • Needle sticks or sharp instrument exposures
  • Sharing items such as razors or toothbrushes with an infected person

 

HBV is not spread through food or water, sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, hand holding, coughing, or sneezing.

 

How long does HBV survive outside the body?

HBV can survive outside the body at least 7 days and still be capable of causing infection.

 


Mama to Avalon 1/07 waterbirth.jpg, Austin 1/10 in between uc.jpgand Avery 12/11  h20homebirth.gif
fambedsingle1.gif   femalesling.GIF   winner.jpg   cd.gif     ecbaby2.gif  novaxnocirc.gif   goorganic.jpg  

Jaimee is offline  
#29 of 36 Old 09-01-2011, 10:12 PM
 
1love4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: A state whose Medicaid does not cover circumcision! :)
Posts: 1,126
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Hey I havent read many of the other posts, but in response to the OP, I just wanted to say that I do not believe vaccines do much if any good.  I started getting DD vaccinated as a baby before I knew better and I always had such a terrible feeling about it.  She would always get a rash around the injection site and it swelled and bruised badly, and she would cry for most of the day.  I eventually learned that vaccines have not been proven safe or effective, they have very high levels of the neurotoxin aluminum in them, and they do still contain small amounts of mercury even though they are said to be preservative free.  They also have other cancer causing ingredients.   Here is a site I like http://www.nvic.org/ 

 

As far as pertussis goes, the vaccine is no longer effective(due to mutation), if it ever was at all.  Also, it only "protects" against one of the 2 causes of whooping cough.  There was an article on mothering.com about it awhile back but I dont remember what it was called.  What also concerns me are all of the kids who have serious reactions to the vaccines and are permanently damaged.  The numbers are higher than we know.

My final concern is that vaccine manufacturers are the only company's that you can NOT sue if you are injured by their products.  You can sue Graco if their stroller injures your baby, but you can not sue vaccine manufacturer if your child is injured by their DTaP(or any other) vaccine.   So really they have nothing to lose and no reason to make their vaccines safe.

 

I should also point out that the decline's in the diseases that vaccines are said to prevent occured before the introduction of the vaccines.  I have read that more cleanliness and better nutrition was what really helped, I'm not sure of other reasons, but these are some of them.

 

I will not be getting this baby vaccinated at all, and DD is not getting any more vaccinations either.  Some very good, thorough and non-biased reasearch would have to come out for me to even consider it! 

And the chicken pox vaccine?  Ridiculous!  Lol, what ever happened to naturally acquired immunity!?  Sorry but I laugh at parents who get the vaccine for their kids instead of just letting them get chicken pox. And I know several kids who have had the shot and still got chicken pox!  That just further proves to me how ineffective vaccines are.  :)

1love4ever is offline  
#30 of 36 Old 09-02-2011, 06:42 AM
 
AnnieMaxwell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

so according to this, then it is possible? although unlikely?

AnnieMaxwell is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Drag and Drop File Upload
Drag files here to attach!
Upload Progress: 0
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Mothering Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off