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meesh933 08-15-2011 09:30 AM

I know it's a little early to worry, but I have bigger babies (both were 9 lbs), so I try to encourage them to turn sooner rather than later. This little guy is transverse. He occasionally moves around, but he seems to really like laying sideways. I have an anterior placenta, too, so I'm a little concerned about a posterior lie later on.

 

I think I'm going to start doing inversions a few times a day to encourage him to move. With DS1, I got him head down at 28 weeks and he was big enough to stay stuck. Anyone else doing anything to encourage good positioning yet?


Abraisme 08-15-2011 09:43 AM

My DD1 was transverse until 24w or so and then turned head down on her own.  This baby is somewhere between breech and transverse at 26w.  I'm not too worried yet, but I have been starting to think about it.  I suspect that she'll turn on her own soon.


IwannaBanRN 08-15-2011 10:16 AM

How can you tell if they are breech or head down?


jbk21 08-15-2011 10:26 AM

From what I can tell based on where I feel kicks (down in my pelvis or in my sides, NEVER toward the top of my uterus or ribcage) this baby is definitely breech and transverse at times.  I can sometimes feel movement on both sides of my abdomen, as if he is kicking and punching at the same time.  Otherwise I feel fluttery kicks down on my bladder.  I am glad you asked this question Meesh993 because I have honestly been getting worried about it.  I'm at almost 27 weeks and I know there's time but I also know that based on the 20wk u/s this baby is measuring larger- about a week and a half ahead based on their estimations.  My husband was a breech baby, and while I know that it isn't genetic I also get worried about it.  I WANT MY OUT-OF-HOSPITAL BIRTH!  haha!  I keep trying positions and sending baby vibes to move head-down goodvibes.gif

 

I know I'm jumping the gun and baby will probably flip, but it's hard not to worry when a c-section would be devastating.  Absolutely devastating.  I mean, I know a section, if necessary, would yield a healthy baby and that's what matters but I think everyone here can understand that when I've been planning a beautiful out-of-hospital birth for this (my last) child, that a c-section would be the LAST thing I'd want.  Sigh.

 

Anyway, I've done pelvic rocks, I've been practicing good posture when sitting and standing, and I sleep in a position that is supposedly helpful for getting baby to turn (though I usually wake up on my back.  Bah.)

 

My DS1 was head down for as long as I could tell.  I hope this baby turns soon.... 

 

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How can you tell if they are breech or head down?



 


Jaimee 08-15-2011 10:27 AM

It's way too early... baby will have plenty of time to flip around.  But if you're worried toward the end, moxibustion has an excellent track record of flipping babies and keeping them there. 


meesh933 08-15-2011 10:47 AM



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Originally Posted by IwannaBanRN View Post

How can you tell if they are breech or head down?



I feel kicks/punches mostly on my sides, never down low or up high. Also, if you lay flat on your back, you may be able to palpate the baby. My MW was able to get a pretty  good guess at my last appointment (25 wks) and confirmed what I'd been feeling, and my U/S showed him transverse, as well. I've gotten much better at determining what was where with each pregnancy.

 

If I didn't have babies that tend to be on the bigger side, I wouldn't worry for a few more weeks, at least. My son was stubbornly breech until I flipped him at 28 weeks, though, and for another couple of weeks I could feel him trying to shift back. And he was big enough by 30 weeks or so that it HURT. Since this baby measured on the big side, too, I'm probably going to start trying to encourage him to flip in the next couple of weeks just to be on the safe side.

 


jbk21 08-15-2011 11:07 AM

I'm really trying hard not to worry since most babies do flip between 28-32 weeks (and CAN flip during birth even, though I'm not about to put money on that, especially since my MW will risk me out before I even get that chance).  It's still hard not to worry when there is an out-of-hospital birth on the line.  Sooner would be better than later, that's all.  
 

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If I didn't have babies that tend to be on the bigger side, I wouldn't worry for a few more weeks, at least. My son was stubbornly breech until I flipped him at 28 weeks, though, and for another couple of weeks I could feel him trying to shift back. And he was big enough by 30 weeks or so that it HURT. Since this baby measured on the big side, too, I'm probably going to start trying to encourage him to flip in the next couple of weeks just to be on the safe side.

 



 


meesh933 08-15-2011 11:30 AM


Yeah, exactly. Transverse is worse than breech, too. Harder to turn, and absolutely no way of having a vaginal birth. A c-section because of a transverse baby, and an anterior placenta at that, is not the way I want my last birth to go!
 

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I'm really trying hard not to worry since most babies do flip between 28-32 weeks (and CAN flip during birth even, though I'm not about to put money on that, especially since my MW will risk me out before I even get that chance).  It's still hard not to worry when there is an out-of-hospital birth on the line.  Sooner would be better than later, that's all.  
 



 



 


Paigekitten 08-15-2011 11:35 AM

I'll be 29 weeks tomorrow and baby is still everywhere and flipping herself around.  I've started paying attention more though, and paying more attention to my posture but I'm not too worried about it yet. I got the most painful kick in my cervix the other day though!


jbk21 08-15-2011 11:44 AM


Seriously, sometimes I tell baby to PLEASE get his FOOT out of my CERVIX.  Yeee-ouch!

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I'll be 29 weeks tomorrow and baby is still everywhere and flipping herself around.  I've started paying attention more though, and paying more attention to my posture but I'm not too worried about it yet. I got the most painful kick in my cervix the other day though!



 


jbk21 08-15-2011 11:47 AM


Well I'm sure all of our babies will turn!  Let's hope for that!  I mean, the odds are in our favor right?!  Only 3-4% are breech at full term (7% at 38 weeks) and transverse is even less likely (1 in 2500).  

Turn, babies, turn :-)  In the meantime, I am kind of enjoying the extra stomach room- baby is low, low, low and loves sitting on my bladder.  Ha!

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Yeah, exactly. Transverse is worse than breech, too. Harder to turn, and absolutely no way of having a vaginal birth. A c-section because of a transverse baby, and an anterior placenta at that, is not the way I want my last birth to go!
 



 



 


dashley111 08-15-2011 11:58 AM

The foot in the cervix comment I can sympathize with!  This baby turns and turns- loves to be transverse or breech, but I prefer her to be head down just because of the cervix and bladder kicking!  I can always tell what position she is in by palpation.

 

She is a big girl, measuring almost 3 weeks ahead.  Im starting to get concerned about how much she LOVES to be breech but I know she can flip around easily still.  My last daughter turned at 32 weeks, and it hurt! 

 

I have no qualms with trying to vaginally deliver breech.


AprilGlynn 08-15-2011 12:01 PM

http://spinningbabies.com/ This website is great for determining fetal position and turning our babies. My babe is transverse and I'm doing a couple inversions a day and seeing my chiro because my uterus and pelvis are shifted to the right which doesn't make for optimal fetal positioning.


jbk21 08-15-2011 01:07 PM


I'd definitely try to find a care provider (MW, hopefully) who would deliver a breech baby, too.  I think I'd want to be in a hospital though with CNM attendant, just in case.  Is that overkill?  I honestly don't know much about it, other than that breeches are usually unnecesareans.  

 

 

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I have no qualms with trying to vaginally deliver breech.



 


meesh933 08-15-2011 01:17 PM

All other things being normal, I don't think I would have an issue with birthing a breech at home. The hospital birth climate around here is pretty awful, though, and the birth centers operate under some strict guidelines thanks to their malpractice insurance, so finding a provider willing to attend a breech birth anywhere but home would be nearly impossible.


IwannaBanRN 08-15-2011 04:02 PM

With all these babies that flip over all the time, it's no wonder alot of them end up with the cord around the neck at birth. lol


SoCaliMommy 08-15-2011 05:08 PM

i can't figure out what the heck i'm feeling besides feeling body parts all over my stomach lol.   I know at 18wks he was transverse and later that night turned because i felt a huge movement and it was painful.    


LiLStar 08-15-2011 05:53 PM

theres still a load of  room in there! I have big babies too. 8lbs 14oz and 10lbs 2 oz. Both settled head down at 28 weeks. Its not really reasonable to expect them to stay put before then. This little one has been flipping back and forth daily, if not multiple times a day. Last check earlier today was head down. Yesterday was mostly breech/transverse. A couple nights ago I was curious to see how easy it would be to convince baby to move. I put an ice pack on my belly where baby's head was, and I didn't even feel hardly any movement at all, but VERY quickly I was able to locate the head at my side. So I followed the head with the ice pack, and then before long the head was by my hip. This was in less than 5 minutes. A few minutes later, back up in my ribs. And this is all without feeling significant movement! So its roomy enough in my uterus for a baby to do a somersault without me hardly even noticing :) The way I feel is to palpate until I find a head. Its a nice round mound, and if I wiggle it, its kinda.. bobbly! If I get hold of the butt and wiggle that, it moves the whole body. Sometimes if I grab a butt by my ribs and try and move it, I can feel the movement in my pelvis. Not so with a head! 


Lula's Mom 08-15-2011 06:22 PM

We start with locating the heartbeat with a fetoscope, and once you know that, it's pretty easy to discern what the lumps and kicking/punching parts are.  lol.gif


Viriditas 08-15-2011 06:40 PM

I have an extremely active little girl in here.  I am feeling kicks all over the place.  Up high one morning, down on my bladder and cervix the same evening, then a swoop all the way down one side.  She's doing gymnastics in there!  She was transverse this morning at my midwife appointment, but I'm not worried at all.  We couldn't find her heartbeat with the fetoscope because she was wiggling around so much, and my midwife had to reposition the doppler 4 times because she kept moving.

 

It's way too early to worry about positioning, imo.  I'm doing yoga and pilates regularly and I'm confident she will end up in a great position when she starts to settle down a little.  For the time being, let her squirm and flip around to her heart's content. :)


SoCaliMommy 08-15-2011 08:59 PM

 Is it safe to assume that if you find the heartbeat directly under the navel a few inches that baby is tranverse?  That is where i found his heartbeat yesterday.


IwannaBanRN 08-16-2011 05:50 AM

My lil man was transverse last night, when I was feeling around. His head was on the left side and his legs and butt curled up on the right side. Now that I could kinda feel where he was at, I'm kind of worried about him going head down too. I really want a guaranteed chance of birthing at home unassisted.


Abraisme 08-16-2011 08:45 AM

I'm pretty sure that your midwives will deliver a breech baby in a birth center.  It is legal in OR to deliver a breech baby.  My homebirth midwives will certainly do it, so I don't really worry too much about it..

 

In Canada they've out-lawed mandetory c-sections for breech babies.  The studies show that it's just as safe to vaginally deliver a breech baby as it is to get a c-section.  So long as the baby is butt-first, it's fine, legal and the option that I would personally take.
 

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Originally Posted by jbk21 View Post

From what I can tell based on where I feel kicks (down in my pelvis or in my sides, NEVER toward the top of my uterus or ribcage) this baby is definitely breech and transverse at times.  I can sometimes feel movement on both sides of my abdomen, as if he is kicking and punching at the same time.  Otherwise I feel fluttery kicks down on my bladder.  I am glad you asked this question Meesh993 because I have honestly been getting worried about it.  I'm at almost 27 weeks and I know there's time but I also know that based on the 20wk u/s this baby is measuring larger- about a week and a half ahead based on their estimations.  My husband was a breech baby, and while I know that it isn't genetic I also get worried about it.  I WANT MY OUT-OF-HOSPITAL BIRTH!  haha!  I keep trying positions and sending baby vibes to move head-down goodvibes.gif

 

I know I'm jumping the gun and baby will probably flip, but it's hard not to worry when a c-section would be devastating.  Absolutely devastating.  I mean, I know a section, if necessary, would yield a healthy baby and that's what matters but I think everyone here can understand that when I've been planning a beautiful out-of-hospital birth for this (my last) child, that a c-section would be the LAST thing I'd want.  Sigh.

 

Anyway, I've done pelvic rocks, I've been practicing good posture when sitting and standing, and I sleep in a position that is supposedly helpful for getting baby to turn (though I usually wake up on my back.  Bah.)

 

My DS1 was head down for as long as I could tell.  I hope this baby turns soon.... 

 



 



 


Viriditas 08-16-2011 08:49 AM



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Originally Posted by Abraisme View Post

I'm pretty sure that your midwives will deliver a breech baby in a birth center.  It is legal in OR to deliver a breech baby.  My homebirth midwives will certainly do it, so I don't really worry too much about it..
 



 


I'm with Andaluz and they say that they have to attend breech and twin births at home because legally they can't do it at the birth centers.  I don't think it's legal to do it at free-standing birth centers in OR, but you can do it at home.

 


Abraisme 08-16-2011 08:58 AM

Ahh, okay.  Well, I'd certainly attempt a home-birth breech before I'd go to a hospital and have a planned c-section..  From everything I've read it's just as safe to deliver a breech baby and I prefer to do things as naturally as possible.  Does your midwife office also do homebirths?  Maybe that's an options for jbk21 as well (if her baby didn't actually turn).

 


 

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I'm with Andaluz and they say that they have to attend breech and twin births at home because legally they can't do it at the birth centers.  I don't think it's legal to do it at free-standing birth centers in OR, but you can do it at home.

 



 


jbk21 08-16-2011 09:10 AM

Yeah I knew they'd risk me out (unless i chose homebirth, of course) if he stayed breech (I'm assuming he won't but it's hard not to worry!)  I'd definitely prefer a homebirth over c-section, but I'm also wondering (just out of curiosity) if there are CNMs in hospitals that deliver breech babies.  I know it's up to hospital policy but I also have more faith in the Portland hospitals than in other cities (mostly because of my experience in the midwest).  I only wonder because I know an amazing, experienced homebirth midwife who also practices part-time at OHSU.  I wonder if she's been able to do any work on the rigid hospital policies over the years :-)

 

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Originally Posted by Abraisme View Post

Ahh, okay.  Well, I'd certainly attempt a home-birth breech before I'd go to a hospital and have a planned c-section..  From everything I've read it's just as safe to deliver a breech baby and I prefer to do things as naturally as possible.  Does your midwife office also do homebirths?  Maybe that's an options for jbk21 as well (if her baby didn't actually turn).

 


 



 



 


jbk21 08-16-2011 09:13 AM

Aaannnndddd I just found this very recent article http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/07/ohsu_effort_aims_to_reduce_the.html


Gosh I love Portland!   joy.gif


IwannaBanRN 08-16-2011 09:17 AM

Awww! How wonderful! If only the rest of the US could be this way. My uncle lives in Portland, OR, and I loved it when I visited for 2 weeks. So beautiful and I love the moist feeling, even in the summer.


jbk21 08-16-2011 09:23 AM

Seriously, after having lived in Ohio my entire life it is SO refreshing to live here in Portland.  The lifestyle is so different, people are so wonderful and kind, the weather is phenomenal (I don't mind the rainy season).  Anyway, I think I pulled the thread off-topic.  Apologies!  Back to baby positioning... I think I may have felt a kick toward the top of my uterus yesterday (could have been a punch).  Today he's back transverse.... 
 

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Awww! How wonderful! If only the rest of the US could be this way. My uncle lives in Portland, OR, and I loved it when I visited for 2 weeks. So beautiful and I love the moist feeling, even in the summer.



 


IwannaBanRN 08-16-2011 09:32 AM

It's hard for me to tell unless I'm laying down and poking around, which makes him really mad at me. lol



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