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just wondering if anyone can tell me anything about the current state of adoptions in . I'm on the yahoo group, have seen the blogs that are out there, and am only slightly, warily giddy about the prospect... so of course, I need to check in with the adoption forum here!

anyone have any experience with adoption? feel free to pm me if the info is sensitive in any way...

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I didn't even realize that people adopt from Uganda.
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...sorry, editing for paranoia's sake...

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Thanks. All I really know about international adoption is what I read here or occasionally hear on NPR or the radio.
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A small number of families have obtained legal guardianship of orphaned kids in Uganda, and completed the adoption in the US (or other countries, I presume...). Not many have taken place, but I thought I'd check and see if anyone here has any experience with it...
I did not think the US issued visas to children under a purely "legal guardianship" status with the intent of formalizing adoption in the US. I would be suspicious of such a program. This seems like the kind of "working around the system" that often ends in countries being shut down to adoption. But perhaps I'm wrong???
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thanks Diane, that site is always a good first stop in researching any adoption! does anyone know what happened to the site 'my adoption links'? It was amazing!!

candm, I'm in contact with people (found a few more yesterday) who have btdt, to find out that exactly -- are they comfortable with the legal guardianship situation or is it on the verge of being shut-down? From what I understand, there was a stall for a few months where the US gov and the adoption authorities re-wrote a few things, to make sure everyone was happy with everything, and it seems to actually be all on the up and up. They are not a hague country. It is legal to go the legal guardianship route and complete the adoption in the US, and there are a few other countries who do it that way -- korea is one, I believe? ROM?

I'll update as I find out more... hopefully with photos of new kids in our family! ok, so that's still quite a stretch at this point, but a gal can dream, right?

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It looks like there's a three year Ugandan residency requirement. Are you finding that people are having that waived?
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here is a great blog about the process, if anyone is interested...

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for what little it is worth, with other IA (such as Ethiopia) that allow Escorts (Ethipoa, Korea, Hong Kong, Lberia) -- the child comes the US "gaurdanship: and the adotpion is actually done here.

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\It is legal to go the legal guardianship route and complete the adoption in the US, and there are a few other countries who do it that way -- korea is one, I believe? ROM?
With Korea, guardianship is held by the US adoption agency until the post-placement reports are completed and approved by the Korean orphanage/agency. During that time, technically, the adoptive parents are foster parents to the child. Finalization of the adoption, and transfer of guardianship, takes place at least 6 months after coming home to the US. It requires a court date, reports from all the agencies, and (in some states) hiring a lawyer to guide you through the adoption process. We did it on our own, but I've seen some people spend $1,000 or more on legal support.

It's expensive to do it this way (for example, getting citizenship AFTER you arrive costs around $500 now), but the logic is that the Korean agencies and government want proof that a family is adjusting well and doing what they should. I don't know if three post-placement visits really offer that much proof of success or long-term adjustment, but that's the idea.

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thanks so much for all the informative replies!

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Have you read the One Roof Africa blog?

http://oneroofafrica.blogspot.com/

Its really interesting (start at the very beginning to get the whole story)...basically a family wanted to adopt a baby from Uganda, went there several times to complete the adoption, bonding with their little boy, were made guardians of him but the judge included a line in the judgement about having to come back to Uganda in three years to finalize (most adoptions are finalized in US)....the entire family have now relocated to Uganda for that three yr time period, so that they may adopt their son, because the US govt would not allow him in the country with that stipulation in the judgement.

I think i'd prefer to go with a more well established program, but if you have an adventurous spirit it might be a good choice. Any reason why you are drawn to Uganda over another African country?


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We're looking at African countries where we can adopt independently and came up so I'm looking into it...and into it and into it and into it...

I'll have to read that blog, thanks so much for the link!

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We are adopting from Thailand and the agency will have guardianship once we bring our child home until we complete post-placement reports and then complete the adoption in our home state. Thailand is a Hague country. I don't think that part is that uncommon. Sorry I don't know much more.

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Have you ever looked into Ghana? Our agency has a program there:http://www.adoptionadvocates.org/gha...na_process.php

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thanks excitedtobeamom, we have looked into ghana, but were trying to find a country where we could adopt independently, that didn't have large in-country fees.

how do you feel about the security/ethicality of the Thai program? I know your agency is a very reputable one, but how do you feel about the country's program as a whole? I hear of a few people here and there adopting from Thailand, but I don't really know much about it -- is it fairly straightforward or bumpy?

not to derail my own thread or anything!

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From everything I have found the Thai program is very ethical and secure. Our agency has been with them for a long time and I talked with a lot of references who had nothing but great things to say about the program and the country. Thailand doesn't allow that many adoptions. Only 59 children were adopted from Thailand to families in the US in 2008 so it is a small program. We are in the young healthy child program so our child will be 1.5 to 2.5 years at placement and with no know special needs. We will most likely be referred a boy since we left the gender open and there are a lot more boys who need homes. Our agency usually does special needs or older children adoption so this program is new for them. They are only allowed to send 2 dossiers this year for the healthy younger child program. We like that it is a very affordable, ethical, stable program and it takes about 18 months from the time your dossier gets to Thailand until placement. We also are very excited about traveling and learning about Thailand with our whole family. Our yahoo group has been very helpful. There is a huge need for people to adopt healthy boys from 5 to 7 years of age. From what I know it is pretty straightforward with a few little bumps recently since they are a Hague country. Luckily those bumps should be ironed out by the time we travel. AAI also travels there twice a year and has a DVD of waiting children that you can request to look at. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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it's nice to not feel so overwhelmed like we have with adoption planning in the past. even with all the potential complications, all the lingo makes sense to me now, and we know this whole international adoption thing inside and out! I also know that if it doesn't work out, another situation will present itself when the time is right, so I don't feel so frantic about it all...

so I'll update as I find out more!

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Definitely keep us posted. And I'm soooooo jealous that you are living in New Zealand. It's on my must visit list.
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Over the years, I have read/heard of families wanting to adopt from countries where there are no official adoption programs in place or not well established programs. In all seriousness, they all start out the story almost exactly the same "we have found a lawyer ...". Not once have I ever read a smooth process or even a good result. I know this sounds incredibly discouraging but its better to know that trying to get an adoption through a country where the process is not established may not only be not easy but even not possible and can end up costing more in the end. Adoption agencies are constantly looking to establish new country programs and if agencies do not work in a counry it usually bc the laws are too convoluted or the process too difficult to navigate in a reasonable time frame.
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That reminds me that our agency has a new pilot program in Sierra Lione that might interest you. It isn't on there website but contact them and they will email you info. I have it somewhere. It may be a good fit for you. They normally have very reasonable fees. http://www.adoptionadvocates.org/about/about_aai.php

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actually, a lot of countries are not particularly welcoming to agencies, and it is easier to adopt independently with a lawyer who knows their stuff. obviously this type of path requires a lot more research than just handing your documents and a check to an agency and trusting them to handle the rest, but it's certainly possible, and there have been several people who have brought kids home from -- honestly, the world of blogging has opened up amazing channels of communication for PAP's, and we couldn't even consider this without it!

I actually like the idea of adopting independently, with a less established program, because there seems to be less chance of unethical practices taking place. I'm not saying there isn't a need for ethical agencies to exist and assist with adoptions -- there absolutely is -- but we have more time and ability to do our own work than we have money to pay an agency. There are some amazing agencies out there, doing a lot of good in the countries they work in, offering a better quality of life to children who will never be adopted, and for that I commend them. At the same time, it saddens me that the options for independent adoption are growing fewer and fewer all the time, and I credit that 100% to the money that agencies bring in, not because it really benefits anyone to have agencies dominate the adoption field.

We aren't people who are just looking for a child at any cost, and I hear you about people who somewhat blindly and naively hire a lawyer and pay them way too much money and don't pay a lot of attention to the ethics going on behind the scenes, but I don't think that the countries with well-established programs are necessarily any better off in that respect, it's just that the process is more established, there is more money changing hands, and in my opinion, sometimes more room for corruption, rather than less -- certainly not a guarantee of none, I suppose is my observation on that one!

thanks excited to be a mom, I'll check that out!

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I actually like the idea of adopting independently, with a less established program, because there seems to be less chance of unethical practices taking place.
I actually think the opposite - its open to far more abuse and unethical practices bc you become captive to that one person to finish the adoption and there is little to no help you can get from anyone, anywhere including your own government or the government of the country.

There is only so much research one can do when there are very limited number of references available. I have also learned that reading blog experiences is interesting but there is no promise that one's process will ever resemble a blog experience. What also happens is that when one country becomes "popular" for "independant" adoptions, the country takes notice and the process either slows or even halts.

Again, I know it sounds so discouraging but I have read so many times of people starting down paths only to find themselves years into the process with nothing to show or worse a photo of child to show (or videos of visits)but being aboslutely no closer to bringing the child home and no end to the process in site.

There was a woman who had a blog about trying to adopt 2 sisters from Honduras. She spent close to 3 years after finding an attorney to help. The attorney was happy to tell her no problem and a quick timeleine but the process dragged on for years, she had to make many visits, do a lot of work on her own, advocate for her and the kids and ultimately got them home on student visas bc the adoption was not likely to ever happen. I really wish her blog was still on line because I think it gave such a realistic picture of pursuing an independant adoption from a country that does not normally process adoptions.

I wish you the best and really hope that your adoption goes smoothly. If you are open to living in living in country and fostering your child, I know that Carolina Adoptions has a program in Kenya.
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I totally hear what you're saying, and the situation in each country is different, and can change at any time. It's a decidedly different matter to find kids in a country that doesn't do ANY adoptions and then try to find a way to make it happen, than to hear of a handful of families who are adopting in a lesser known country and find out exactly how to do it from them, and from people in the country who are well-established, respectable, honest people who are doing everything legally and ethically.

I'm not sure it's even a possibility for us at this point, but it isn't the first indy adoption road we've been down, so we do know how to handle ourselves.

we shall see!

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That reminds me that our agency has a new pilot program in Sierra Lione that might interest you. It isn't on there website but contact them and they will email you info. I have it somewhere. It may be a good fit for you. They normally have very reasonable fees. http://www.adoptionadvocates.org/about/about_aai.php
I inquired about this and was told that they don't have a program right now, but sometimes they only 'advertise' to their own clients about pilot programs... how long ago did they email you with the info? she said they used to, but aren't working there currently. again, though, sometimes that kind of info is for clients only.

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I am a little confused but looking back now I found the information. Sorry, I guess they have a pilot program in Burkina Faso. I must of had my agencies confused? Sorry! That may interested you as well though.

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In the Holt newsletter they said they are accepting new families for there Uganda program:
http://www.holtinternational.org/uganda/

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In the Holt newsletter they said they are accepting new families for there Uganda program:
http://www.holtinternational.org/uganda/
Do they have a Ugandan adoption program or just a sponsorship program, according to that page:

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At this time, the Ugandan government does not support inter-country adoption from their country, unless prospective parents live in Uganda for a period of three years to foster a child. This law was instituted years ago to discourage adoption, after Uganda experienced several cases of disruption and abuse of Ugandan children adopted to other countries. Holt is advocating for change in the current laws for a more ethical and accountable system.

The purpose of Holt's program is to provide support to communities and households so that children can remain in their families and culture. In effect, our current program is a large scale family preservation program. Holt believes that efforts are best directed to family preservation and strengthening services which can provide support to a larger number of children than could be offered through international placement.
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That confused me a bit too but the newsletter says: Holt needs adoptive parents for children of Uganda. We are now accepting applications from families interested in providing permanent homes to children from this country. For more information, please contact Stephanie or Jennifer Dalton.

I will email the newsletter to whomever wants it if you PM me your email.

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