Any other yidden in the house? Mazel tov! Hoping we can discuss holidays, customs, superstitions and other Jewish related pregnancy and birthing info.
Originally Posted by TreeRose
Hello, I just thought I'd pop in. I'm not Jewish however my husband and all of his family is.
I realize that this doesn't make my children Jewish, however we don't want to keep from them the culture, the traditions that DH grew up with just because of that.
My DD is 10 month. My MIL is talking about doing a baby naming on her 1st birthday which I think is incredibly special... she's just having problems finding a rabbi who will do it because I'm not Jewish.
Anyway, pregnant with DC2 and intuit him to be a boy, which means circumcision... may I ask if you 2 have experienced any backlash from the no circumcision community?
Upon what evidence are you concluding that it is "healthier for the child?" I am curious and mean my question kindly.Originally Posted by lrothnwu
TreeRose, you may be able to find a sympathetic rabbi at a Reform synagogue in your area. Do you and your husband have a relationship with a local temple? That can help, too.
I have ignored the anti-circumcision folks. They have their own point of view, but not only is circumcision a tradition, it is healthier for the child. Do what you think is best, and good luck!
Not to completely de-rail this thread but you won't find any medical organization out there that recommends circ... except for the CDC. The three African studies they base their stance on are flawed. The AMA, the AAP and many others say no to this cosmetic surgery.Originally Posted by lrothnwu
Hildare, pretty much any reputable health site that is not specifically anti-circumcision will inform you of the health benefits of circumcision, such as the CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm. This link talks about reduced HIV transmission, chlamidya, urinary tract infections and penile cancers. I have no idea why the natural birthing community has anything to do with anti-circumcision hysteria, which just makes people think we're crazy. Women have been birthing their babies naturally for millions of years -- they have also been getting them circumcised (at least Jewish moms like me!)
I see you are new here.. welcome to MDC. That said, we have strong forum called The Case Against Circumcision. Many moms here leave their sons intact!Originally Posted by lrothnwu
"If the first thing you do to the innocent is spill his blood?" Noo, you're not derailing the thread at all. I guess you must be opposed to all blood testing on your children, then, because they take far more blood from a child than a circumcision, which is done after eight days in Jewish tradition, by the way. Have you ever seen a circumcision done? It's not "cosmetic" and it's not bloody.
And your judgmental attitude is not appreciated. This is an individual decision for every family, and I'd expect more respect on this site and this thread, in particular.
Irothnwu, You are correct that this comment about spilling innocent blood is completely out of line on a Jewish Thread. You are also correct that more blood is taken from a newborn in blood testing than in a Jewish circumcision. You are also correct that a circumcision performed on the 8th day is quite a different matter than many ric (routine infant circs) performed within the first 3 days in a hospital. It is different from a Vit K standpoint (clotting factor) and health stand point. Also they are performed entirely differently. All correct. You are also correct that this anti-ric talk has no place here because there is no conversation taking place about RIC on this thread. This is a religious circumcision, which is another matter entirely.Originally Posted by philomom
Not to completely de-rail this thread but you won't find any medical organization out there that recommends circ... except for the CDC. The three African studies they base their stance on are flawed. The AMA, the AAP and many others say no to this cosmetic surgery.
My husband was raised Reform Jewish and we are raising our kids agnostic. My husband was happy to leave his son intact, even if my in-laws weren't. And as far as the natural childbirth angle.. why avoid drugs and eat healthy for nine months, have a natural drug free birth and plan to breastfeed.. if the first thing you do to the innocent is spill his blood? Makes no sense whatsoever. We are meant as mothers, to protect our children from harm and circumcision causes harm.
Au Contrare, Philomom...those who have been around these parts (Mothering) for a very long time know quite well that while MDC is AGAINST RIC...there has been extreme measures taken to avoid taking a position against religious circumcision. The Case Against Circumcision is SPECIFICALLY for RIC and it is forbidden to attack people for circumcision based on religious belief.Originally Posted by lrothnwu
"If the first thing you do to the innocent is spill his blood?" Noo, you're not derailing the thread at all. I guess you must be opposed to all blood testing on your children, then, because they take far more blood from a child than a circumcision, which is done after eight days in Jewish tradition, by the way. Have you ever seen a circumcision done? It's not "cosmetic" and it's not bloody.
And your judgmental attitude is not appreciated. This is an individual decision for every family, and I'd expect more respect on this site and this thread, in particular.
Originally Posted by hildare
... and i am not jewish so i don't have a dog in this fight BUT my concern is that circumcision was broached initially not only from a religious standpoint but that a poster stated that it was medically preferable. i call foul on that aspect of the conversation. it's a completely different thing to do this (in my view) as part of the way that you interpret your religion but a whole nother thing when you say it's "cleaner" or "medically better" or whatever. that i disagree with absolutely and i think that at least that part of the mod policy backs that up.