Hi there :) Im from Mission, pregnant with my first - will be a non vaxxer but need help in convincing hubby (which wont be difficult - he hasnt yet done research on the topic) so far Ive gotten him to agree on delayed vax but need help in "showing him the way" I would love to meet or talk with closer women with the same views :)
I am considering whether I should even go back to the Doctor I saw for
a non-vaccine related health issue. I wonder if she will respect me as a patient if she feels so shocked by my choice to not vaccinate my son.
I didn't even get the chance to explain that we weren't completely closeminded to vax, just not vaccinating for now, before she went in to a monologue about autism and herd immunity.
She didn't seem to want to understand my view on the matter at all. Par for the course with GPs?
Yeah, the big concern for me is that I havent mentioned this to my OB yet... my husband comes to every appointment and I need to have him on board before I bring it up - I know that if I bring it up to my OB without husband fully on board and he's totally pro vax then my husband will be swayed easily in the other direction.
Ive got 2 weeks before our next appointment and I'm hoping to get Alan at least to do his research - He keeps telling me he wants decisions made fully together, that I cant just decide all of the important things on my own and that he wants say but I said he cant possibly have a say until he researches both sides and its not something to just whim because it's not what everyone else does. Of course he has say, I want him to be fully involved obviously as much as possible but until he can look at the facts and take a break from downloading music ( ) then how can his decision have any weight?
So Im very slowly getting him to look at a few articles here and there. If I push him he'll shut down (he's not a total ass, just stressed enough while disabled with a brain tumor, always sickly and very depressed) so I'm trying to take it slow but need him to be solid by next appointment so that I can bring it up.
*Or should I not bring it up to my OB?*
Do I even *have to tell him until just before birth time? Being my first pregnancy and considered high risk because of a few factors I went with an OB but did not at all know the implications because of me wanting a more natural outcome. I dont know what his views are but since he tried really hard to get me to do the extra tests (down syndrome etc - which I did not do) Im kinda thinking he's not on the natural end of the spectrum but it's pure speculation on my part. I know now to search out an OB (if next time I still have the issues I have this time around, otherwise I would midwife it) with more similar views as mine and sure wish I knew this before hand. Nobody I know that's a parent seems to care at all about chemicals, vaccines, even breastfeeding - so I had nobody to talk to with similar views until I found this and other forums/websites. I'm so glad you're here :)
I hope your husband is able to get involved soon.
Where are you looking for information?
I find that Mothering has lots of great links and discussions to learn from, and I like that there are many voices involved. I avoid most other forms of vaccine related media, lots of false info., and ugly, angry opinions.
My birth was at home with a midwife, and we never discussed vaccinations ahead of the birth or afterwards. I also never did any well baby visits or saw a dr., so non-vaxxing didn't prove problematic for us until we tried to find a family doc.
Have you made a birth plan indicating your preferences? How about writing out your non-vax prefernce and including it there.
Will you see the OB for postnatal care, or will it be a family doc?
That person will be the one to discuss vax choices with.
Im not from Vancouver - but not far to the East in Kelowna.
I have a 5 yr old and a 20 month old who both have never received any vaccinations. My oldest is now in school.
We haven't run into any issues with having no vaccinations. That being said we chose Waldorf school for our son because most of the kids are unvaccinated, our families gave us grief for the first year with our oldest but once they realized our stance wasn't just a fad they backed off and don't say anything anymore. Its something that I generally keep my mouth closed about unless my opinion is asked and at that point I always ask why they are asking...if they are generally interested in information and my opinion then great - if they are pro-vax and just looking to start a "fight" I don't indulge.
As far as Docs...my son hasn't seen an MD since he was 3 months old, my daughter saw a specialist at 6 weeks because of a strawberry hemangioma. She was delivered by a midwife and thats all she saw for follow-up visits. Now that we have settled in Kelowna I will be looking for a ND that specialized in family care. If for no other reason than to "appease" the rest of the world and be able to say they have regular check-ups. They have never been sick so I have no reason to take them.
Because of our business we have a LOT of people coming to us looking for vaccination information. For legality reasons we never tell them what to do - but what we do tell them is to ignore all pro and anti vaccination info. Start with the immune system, understand how it works and what effects it, look into the real reason vaccinations were started and what they have become. Understand how they effect and suppress the immune system. Know that there are SAFE alternatives called homeopathy Nosodes that can be used. Research the ingredients and their effects on the body and liver. When you understand it from that point of view, fear dissipates and it all becomes very clear. Understanding that injecting these chemicals directly into your blood stream bypassing your bodies natural line of defences doesn't create a natural immune response, it actually suppresses the immune system making you MUCH more susceptible to all kinds of illness and severity of those illnesses.....I could go on for days so I will stop lol, but if your hubby ever wanted to talk to another guy about it mine would be happy to have a chat with him.
Thank you <3
You are totally right, for me that is what I look at and I taught myself the same thing, to look at the immune system, how it functions, how it's undeveloped for the few first years of life and how vaccines and other poisons adversely affect it. That was the reason for my stance in the first place, after not finding great articles. Knowing those things there is no way that logically vaccines (especially in the first few years of life) can even remotely be a good idea. I have been trying to find good articles for him to read but I think that you're right, there arent any good unbiased ones out there and to look at how the immune system works, especially at that age is the best way to go to show him, even without articles at all.
It's been about a week now and I have raised my point quite well and Im happy to say that he claims to be anti vaxx now - but I would like it to be more solid and confident for our upcoming OB appointment - just in case.
Thank you MBHenry for the offer of letting him talk to your husband, I will let him know that the option is there, my biggest downfall is explaining things well - I am absolutely awful at it, it's kind of funny but frustrating for important topics such as this - so it is nice to have the option of having him talk to someone who most likely is better at it
Bruna - Yes, I've written out and printed a birth plan, it does state them in there along with anything else I want :) It was so great to really think about it and go over every step in my head - This may be my first birth of my own but I've been witness to 3 other births so at least I have a good idea of what I do and don't want and what I can expect somewhat.
I will be seeing my family doctor for postnatal care, that's good to know, it didn't cross my mind that it wouldn't be the OB for some reason (save from the birth shots I wont be getting). I recently changed my family doctor - as soon as I found out I was pregnant in fact! I really, really like the new one a lot and he has already helped us so much with my husband (SO has a large amount of very serious health issues) he has really gotten the ball rolling for him - he's literally done more for my husband in the past few months than our old doctor did in the past 3 years - he seems like he would have a similar stance to ours but there's only one way to find out.
Thanks everyone, I do appreciate it, its good to talk with like minded people :)
My babes are 6 & 9, almost 10, and completely unvaxxed up to this point. When I was pg with my 1st, dh and I began the vaccines conversation...we had both been vaxxed as kids, so I assumed we would vax our own. Dh's niece & nephew were unvaxxed as kids, the niece had some sort of severe reaction after her 1st vaxxes as an infant and was never vaxxed again). Armed with this info, I started reading....and decided not to vax them as young children. I must say, I am not anti-vax, but pro-waiting. I am currently considering the MMR for them, but still am not 100%. Dh's niece & nephew are now both in their 30s, and vaccinate themselves as they choose. They both travel a lot, and vaccinate depending on where they're going, ie India. My eldest has horrible seasonal allergies, courtesy of her dad's genetics, and I worry about adjuvants in vaccines making them worse. My youngest had an egg allergy as an infant, and while that seems to have cleared, I still worry about vaccines with her. Dh had to have the hep b vax for work and had such a horrible reaction to it, (he broke out in a rash so severe in his armpits it was painful to put his arms close to his body!) that the dr told him not to continue with that particular vax.
We've been lucky to have a Dr. who doesn't pressure me to vax!
I'm so happy there are more of us in the lower mainland....I often feel so very alone!!!
We recently moved to kelowna from Vancouver.. It's nice to see someone involved In the waldorf school on here! I took my 19 month old to the Christmas fair and it was nice to see the school it's beautiful but she was a bit young for the activities! I was also wondering if you have any experience with the waldorf preschool playgroup for your younger child? It looks really interesting. Anyway I was excited to see someone from kelowna on here so I thought I'd say hi
I have just started to read the book "Vaccinations, A Thoughtful Parents Guide; How To Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about the Risks, Benefits and Alternatives" by author Aviva Jill Romm.
So far so good.
I haven't taken my youngest to the play groups yet but I know lots of moms that have and they love, love love it. I will probably look at it in the fall.
We just moved here in the fall from Saskatchewan - if you ever want to connect for a play date/coffee let me know. Its always great to connect with like minded people:)
I was really disappointed to see a local progressive online news organization, The Tyee, publish a an article blaming religious comminities for the outbreak, along with "negligent" and "disdainful" anti-vaxxers.
Has anyone read any intelligent criticism of this rhetoric?
Nope. And I just found this gem on News1130. Non-vaxxers are completely under fire in BC. Sigh.
I will provide the link in case anyone wants to hear what others are discussing about the disease currently-