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"From Anti-Vax to Pro-Vax: Natural Parenting Perspective"

http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/fro...o-vax-natural/

The latest story from Voices For Vaccines, and since this is Mothering I thought you guys might especially enjoy it.

"Even though I cloth-diaper my babies, gather our own eggs, raise our own meat, grind our own wheat, hang our sheets on a clothesline some parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids may not consider me a “natural parent” anymore, simply because I vaccinate my children. But I can look at my precious children and know they are protected from polio, from tetanus, from pertussis, and so on, and I know that nothing is more natural than a parent protecting her children."

So true!
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Great story. Resonates so well with my family experience.
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Great story. Resonates so well with my family experience.
Yup

That's why I think it's so important to have a pro vaccine support forum on here. So many members of the natural parenting community do feel like their "crunchy card" gets "revoked" if they vaccinate or are pro vaccine, and I think that's a shame.

Of course I'm sure all the usual claims that she's either a shill or making it up are going to come out.

I do particularly like the response that V4V gave about the claims that Amy Parker worked for the CDC :

"In order for this idea to gain traction with a parent, she would have to suspend disbelief enough to believe that Karen and I know this Amy Parker at CDC (whom I've never heard of), convinced her to write this false first-person account of growing up in an idyllic Lake District community in northwest England, tweak the language enough to make it sound like it's written by someone born and raised in England, then steal a picture of some unsuspecting mom off the internet to go with the story--and then, after all that subterfuge, use the CDC mole's real name."

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Although I guess my difference is I was provax from before I had kids - for me the surprise was the rest of the natural parenting, but the natural birth, "extended" breast feeding, baby wearing/co-sleeping, cloth nappies, as unprocessed as possible diet, etc all just make so much sense once I read about them.

And a lot if that was down to reading the mothering magazine. So I'm glad to be here too.
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This is very similar to what I experienced as well. Add to that a child with autism, and the vitriol becomes much more intense. I think you guys saw what happened when I posted on the vaccinations debate about autism.

I've heard some really awful things about my son, and about my choices from the natural community. Surprisingly, I haven't heard anything but kind remarks from mainstream parents about my son. But from the AP community, which I used to be a major part of, it's been pretty vile. I don't participate in the AP community much anymore. But I do, and have baby worn, coslept, cloth diapered, breastfed, participated in homebirth advocacy (NOT anymore. I was always told it is safer than hospital birth, but apparently the science does not bear out, and I'm very pro-science) and gentle disciplined since I became a parent about a dozen years ago.

Crunchy cred? I gots it. Except for the science thing. I mean, we grow almost all of our own food, and what I can't grow I get delivered from a CSA. We beekeep, we're working on a new chicken coop for chickens, have solar power for our home and solar heated pool, aquaponics, I grind my own flour, make my soap, cleaners, shampoo. Dye and make many of our clothes. But we believe in western medicine and science, and have a child who is not damaged from vaccines, even though he does have autism. And I'm shunned. This is really the only board on MDC I feel I could post on.
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Serenity now (love your user name). So sorry this has been your experience. Apart from on here (believe it or not) I tend to avoid talking about vaccines with my ap/crunchy moms. I don't want to lose friends over such a small part of parenting.

Mind you one was asking about homeopathy on Facebook this week which makes me sorely tempted to point out scientific flaws. Not about vaccinating - but if anyone has a handy, polite explanation of how homeopathic remedies are just very carefully prepared water is be glad to share that.
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I don't tend to bring it up, either. But when they find out my son has autism, it's the first question.
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Yeah I see what you mean. Sorry - that must get really tiresome.
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The question itself doesn't bother me. People are naturally curious about it, and the vaccination causes autism belief is very pervasive, especially in anti-vax circles. But it's in mainstream parents, too. What gets really difficult is what happens after. I hear a lot of "that's why I didn't vaccinate my kids. Autism is my worst nightmare." With my kid standing right there. "I can't imagine how guilty you must feel since you held him down for the shots that damaged him." And then it kind of devolves from there examining every medical or diet decision I have ever made in my life, lol.
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Ugh. That does sound horrible.
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The question itself doesn't bother me. People are naturally curious about it, and the vaccination causes autism belief is very pervasive, especially in anti-vax circles. But it's in mainstream parents, too. What gets really difficult is what happens after. I hear a lot of "that's why I didn't vaccinate my kids. Autism is my worst nightmare." With my kid standing right there. "I can't imagine how guilty you must feel since you held him down for the shots that damaged him." And then it kind of devolves from there examining every medical or diet decision I have ever made in my life, lol.
I'm sorry that they cannot see the impact of their inappropriate comments or assertions. It's unfortunate that such fear mongering happens and also that because that is what they believe they feel that all others ought to be on board with it as well. hugs.

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Ty for posting. I actually had to talk my SO out of not vaxing.

SAHM, Baby-Wearing, APing, EBFing, Co-sleeping, Proud Autism warrior mama to two boys. 7/2/08 & 6/8/09
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I have a personal rule not to talk about anything medical at all on one of my crunchy FB groups. They are a lovely group of ladies, but there are some very entrenched views (non-vaxing, using homeopathy, rescue remedy, UCing, etc.) that I am not in support of, and I see no sense wrangling over them.
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