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Is it ok to have a thread like this in the DDC? I hoped to have a place to discuss whatever is going on after the birth. Lord knows I could use some support!

I will kick it off with a Q abt postpartum pain in relation to the uterus. I have done nothing more than walk to the bathroom, showered twice, sat on a stool in front of the stove to make hash browns and sausage yesterday and later carried one load of laundry to the washer (no stairs). Otherwise been sitting or lying down and holding/nursing baby 24/7.

My after birth pains have been rough. They come on while nursing of course and even when I am not. I would say I have 2-3 an hour. Deep deep burning/cramping. They last a minute or so each. I cry most the time or at least moan through.

I figure this is normal as it is baby #7 and I had it with the others but it has been more intense this time. What worries me is that when I do walk to the bathroom or whatever - very short distance- I feel very heavy and like a tugging in my low back and the uterus. It isn't painful but just a very "this doesn't feel right" sensation that weighs me down and I have to sit immediately. I feel weak and heavy down there. Big time.

In the past I may have chosen to not walk or do much to allow healing but if I did want to walk to the mailbox or swing or just some light strolling indoors To shush baby I did and could. It's not an option this time. My body says sit and if I didn't listen I believe I would simply fall down. I need I shower again today for company later but after a trip down the hall to pee and walking out front to see how hot it was out I barely made it back to the sofa. Just feeling the heaviness.

Bleeding seems moderate. No clots. Comes in small gushes after a cramp. Not soaking a pad in an hour so no signs to call doctor. Maybe this is normal and I was lucky the other births to have bounced back so well? So tell me, how are/were you feeling 3 days postpartum? Anyone else feel this way?

Thanks for any input
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Definitely have postpartum threads! I will be sad if everyone just disappears!

No good advice here, but I would say to call your dr anyway, and to listen to your body. I would wonder whether you had more trauma to your pelvic floor this time? In any case, I hope it passes soon, and you are feeling better.

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Is it ok to have a thread like this in the DDC? I hoped to have a place to discuss whatever is going on after the birth. Lord knows I could use some support!

I will kick it off with a Q abt postpartum pain in relation to the uterus. I have done nothing more than walk to the bathroom, showered twice, sat on a stool in front of the stove to make hash browns and sausage yesterday and later carried one load of laundry to the washer (no stairs). Otherwise been sitting or lying down and holding/nursing baby 24/7.

My after birth pains have been rough. They come on while nursing of course and even when I am not. I would say I have 2-3 an hour. Deep deep burning/cramping. They last a minute or so each. I cry most the time or at least moan through.

I figure this is normal as it is baby #7 and I had it with the others but it has been more intense this time. What worries me is that when I do walk to the bathroom or whatever - very short distance- I feel very heavy and like a tugging in my low back and the uterus. It isn't painful but just a very "this doesn't feel right" sensation that weighs me down and I have to sit immediately. I feel weak and heavy down there. Big time.

In the past I may have chosen to not walk or do much to allow healing but if I did want to walk to the mailbox or swing or just some light strolling indoors To shush baby I did and could. It's not an option this time. My body says sit and if I didn't listen I believe I would simply fall down. I need I shower again today for company later but after a trip down the hall to pee and walking out front to see how hot it was out I barely made it back to the sofa. Just feeling the heaviness.

Bleeding seems moderate. No clots. Comes in small gushes after a cramp. Not soaking a pad in an hour so no signs to call doctor. Maybe this is normal and I was lucky the other births to have bounced back so well? So tell me, how are/were you feeling 3 days postpartum? Anyone else feel this way?

Thanks for any input
I've been feeling something similar particularly after movement or using the toilet (9-10 days PP, decent tear). I mentioned it to my midwife but I'm still doing Afterease and trying to get some uterine massage in, although I'm not sure how effective it is given that we've been nursing plenty. I'm guessing that it's mostly muscle irritation, because it's low in my abdomen. I debated using blue cohosh as a tea, but one source I read said to not use it while breastfeeding - I'm going to ask my midwife at our PP visit. I planned to do bengkung wrapping to help, but I've had to pester a client about LONG overdue payment for work and that was going to be my bengkung money. So, ugh.

One thing that's really been bothering me is wrist pain. Both wrists - it feels like a tendon issue. For about 30-40 minutes, I labored on my hands/knees in my bathtub, with my palms flat on the arm rests of the bathtub (we have a deep bathtub with jets) and pushing up, arching my back, and bearing down. That was the only thing that even remotely helped with the pain of a quick and intense labor. Now, both hands (thumb area to partway down my forearm) are extremely tender. I've been having my husband massage them with arnica gel.

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Any fever blessed#7? Are you massaging you uterus when you are using the bathroom? I'm wondering if you have a large clot up there that can't work it's way out. I had similar heaviness and cramping after my second birth and about 3 days after the birth I passed a giant clot. Then I felt a million times better. My BFF had a similar experience as well.
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Any fever blessed#7? Are you massaging you uterus when you are using the bathroom? I'm wondering if you have a large clot up there that can't work it's way out. I had similar heaviness and cramping after my second birth and about 3 days after the birth I passed a giant clot. Then I felt a million times better. My BFF had a similar experience as well.
No fever. Have done a little massaging here and there but not as aggressive as they were in the hospital so it's possible. The nurses acted like my uterus was so low when I discharged I was ahead of the game and if I continued nursing often and kept my bladder empty all would be well.

I will have hubs do some massage in just a minute and see what happens. Thanks
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Thanks prettyisa and caledvwlch for ur responses as well

I did call my doctor and he said so long as bleeding was normal no cause for concern. He offered an ultrasound today but I am feeling a lot better so I opted not to.

Turned out I did have a clot sitting up there! Right after I posted I had to use the bathroom and without any massaging I passed a large older looking clot abt the size of a goose egg! Bled a little more than I had been right after and then cramping and bleeding eased up all around. So mama blue hit the nail on the head!
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Caledvwlch- I meant to reply to you in the message above! I labored exactly like you! Well, in that position and arching my back. The last 30 min of the birth and once we got to the hospital was overwhelming and I just froze in that position. Abt 12 hrs later my upper body was so sore I couldn't move. Felt like a train hit me!

I don't think other than the arnica and massage I have any suggestions. Hopefully it eases with time!
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Anyone have experience with postpartum hip/psoas pain?
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Woohoo! I feel so smart. I'm glad you feel better.
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I had a lot of low back pain and heaviness after my first was born, and I think it was due to his posterior position during much of my labor. It sounds like you may have already figured out what's up, but I thought I'd chime in!

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I had a lot of low back pain and heaviness after my first was born, and I think it was due to his posterior position during much of my labor. It sounds like you may have already figured out what's up, but I thought I'd chime in!
Well, the baby was posterior and my labor was fire from hell in my low back so I'm sure that is playing a part as well. Thanks for sharing your experience
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Turned out I did have a clot sitting up there! Right after I posted I had to use the bathroom and without any massaging I passed a large older looking clot abt the size of a goose egg! Bled a little more than I had been right after and then cramping and bleeding eased up all around. So mama blue hit the nail on the head!
Glad you got this figured out! I was hoping it wasn't a prolapsed uterus. Mine was prolapsed before this pregnancy, and it fell again about a week pp. Its pretty uncomfortable and I'm recovering much slower.

Other than that, things are going great. Everyone is adjusting to life with a baby. So far she has been happy and content.
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Postpartum seems to be going fine so far. Still have those darn sacral pain when sitting down or lying flat on my back. Got to get an app with my physical therapist soon for sure. The weather has been awkward here the last couple of weeks with little rain and heavy thunderstorms and excessive heat interchanging. It brought back some migraine headaches and teeth aches that I did not need. Hot flashes and feeling close to crying for no reason seem to creep up on me every once in a while. Other than that all peachy though.

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Just wondering if anyone had any experience with significant sized lumps under their armpits presumably from lactating? I have one that is larger than a golf ball and two smaller ones higher up that are swollen and throb terribly. Have been massaging to no avail...
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The times I had mastitis it was always towards my armpit and the outer portion of my breast. I didn't have large lumps more general swelling/redness in the area. Massaging towards the nipple in a warm bath with the breast fully submerged helped get things moving. Also, supplementing with soy lecithin helped tremendously at preventing and treating clogged ducts/mastitis. Google it! Also going bra free as often as possible and nursing in different positions to empty the breast well.

I'm not sure if what you have going on is the same though. My first time with any breast pain/lumps while nursing I went in and saw my GYn and a breast specialist to be sure. My mom passed from breat cancer so I needed to be sure.

Whatever it is I hope you get some relief soon
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Blessed- times(s), as in you had mastitus multiple times? Any tips in how to prevent it or why it happens?

I think I may just have extra breast tissue up in there that is engorged. Midwife said to nurse it out and drink tons of water. Headed to docs tomorrow to get stitches our so well see what she says. Hoping I don't have to get lymph nodes drained or anything!
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Yes, multiple times! I never had it with the first 2 but had it a 2 or 3 times with each baby since. I definitely noticed trends with when it came on. If I pushed baby to go farther between feedings for a busy day out or around the holidays when we had a lot of events where I didn't want to go sit and nurse often I could end up with a sore breasts and flu symptoms but the end of the day. Maybe the combination of overdoing it physically and not keeping the breast empty.

I don't recall exactly how the soy lecithin supp works but work it does! Kellymom has a good article on it. Take the recommended dosage and don't skip any days. It's totally safe and affordable. I bought a bottle be4 the baby was born and took it to the hospital. I didn't try this until my last bout with mastitis in 2012 and it was abt 1 month postpartum. We were leaving for the beach the next day and I started feeling fluish suddenly. Then the red streaking in my breast. My LLL leader suggested the lecithin and hubs picked up a bottle from whole foods. Within 4 hours of the first dose fever broke and I felt totally well abt 2 days later. I never got it again with that baby and hope to prevent it this go around by already taking it daily.

So resting often, nursing often and taking the lecithin is good prevention. Once u have it I would say the same along with massaging in hot water towards the nipple and changing nursing positions to keep the breast empty. Avoid all sugars and starches to keep the immune system up and lots of probiotics as well. I did take an antibiotic the very first time I had it hit I didn't know all the little tricks I do now and it was a severe case. I do a 24 hour nurse in if I think I'm coming down with it. Laying in bed - only up for the potty - nurse - nurse - nurse ! ! !

Hate it I have so much experience with it but I do. Maybe you'll find something I mentioned helpful. Anyone else have suggestions?
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I think you covered it pretty well, @blessed#7 . Keep the breasts from getting engorged too much, lots of fluid and rest. If you do notice a blocked duct but don't have pain/fever/streaking there yet, definitely get on it right away to try to work it out and get the breast emptied. I have had oversupply with my babies and had a bout of mastitis with my last one. I always needed a pump to keep up with my engorgement (but that isn't typical; nursing the baby frequently is enough for most women).

If you do end up with mastitis, it can take a while for the breast to heal. Even after the blockage is gone, there may be a firm/spongy spot there for a week or two.

How's nursing going? The first few days when milk come in were always overwhelming for me, but it gets less insane after a couple of weeks. Your supply and baby's demand will level out a bit more, and even more after a few months.

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Thanks for the great tips blessed and primal.

Blessed-symptoms you describe sound like how I feel, but I do not have any streaking so might just be on the verge (felt slightly feverish and achy last night) The lumps definitely hurt more when I try to prolong feeding. Will definitely pick up some soy lechtin tomorrow and look up that article. Midwife also suggested nursing it away and drinking tons of fluids.

I just started full time nursing yesterday, as I took two days off from poor latching wounds. I was pumping manually my colostrum, though. My milk also came in full time yesterday so maybe it's just a part of my engorgement, I read that some people just have extra breast tissue up there.

Primal-I'd say breastfeeding has been a bit overwhelming for me as well and it's only been 2 days! Henry really only seems to like one position, a sort of sitting up football position (like he's having a seat at a milk bar) which is a bit challenging and I worry about feedings when were out and about. Here in Montana everything is far away, so running like 2 errands takes 2 hours! Also, he is very fussy for about 5 minutes before he latches on. How are you feeling, btw? Baby still in good position? Any impending signs that baby will arrive soon?
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Aw, hang in there! Try not to push you and babe to do more running around than you need to for a while. I struggled with nursing in public with my first one, not because I was overly shy, but because I have large breasts, he didn't have a strong latch, and it was a messy, noisy, pretty naked production every time. By the time I had my third, I figured out that finding a dressing room or even going to the car just made it easier for me. I was able to focus on taking care of the feeding instead of having to deal with everything around us. It does get much easier as they get older. Nursing a six-month-old is so different from nursing a newborn in so many ways. It won't always be this awkward. Figure out what works best for you and the baby, and don't hesitate to do it that way. Breastfeeding is a little different for everyone.

No labor signs here. Baby is still head down, but seems happy where he is. I'm trying to stay patient, but that's not my strong suit.
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Primal-good to hear! I hope baby arrives soon; its such a great time of the year for a baby! So much to do and the weather is so nice.

Min-I hope you are feeling better and that some of your aches and pains have cleared up.

I asked the doc about the lumps in my armpits. She said they are just breast tissue like I read, so the tissues in my armpit produce milk with no where to go and should dry up at some point (hopefully soon!)

Breast feeding was going well, latching good- was even able to breast feed in the doc's office up until yesterday early afternoon. All of a sudden there has been an abrupt issue. Henry won't even latch on and is fussy, screams, and pushes my breast away forcefully and will not eat until we finger feed him. I've tried every position imaginable (he really only even likes to feed on one side), pumping before feeding because I have a heavy let-down, as well. It's been frustrating to say the least and I don't understand the change-he just has no interest what so-ever, doesn't even suck. I've tried all the suggestions on kellymom and am trying not to force the issue too much so that he forms a breast aversion. I'm going to keep offering the breast before I feed, but at this point I just want to pump and maybe get him started on breast milk in bottles. My husband is worried about me not breastfeeding, but I think as long as he has my milk, it will be fine. My midwife has been on a 2+ day birth so I haven't been able to talk to her about these issues. I am going back to work Sept 1, so it almost seems like fighting my son to latch for a month just isn't worth it. This sounds terrible, but I don't feel as if breast feeding has been a "bonding" experience like everyone says it is, I don't even particularly like it. I feel as if we bond in other ways, by laying skin to skin, cuddling, reading, going for walks in the sunshine, etc.

Anyone just bottle feed their little ones with breast milk? Also, I know others mentioned that they at some point had to finger feed their little ones-was it challenging to get them to let go of the finger and embrace the breast?
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Finger feeding works well when you are also trying to breast feed because the way the baby sucks on your pinky is more similar to the way they latch onto the nipple. Clementine had a poor latch and I fingered her pumped milk after every nursing session for about two weeks. After that nursing was going much better and we were able to do it exclusively She had jaundice which is why the finger feeding was so vital. She also had to have the light treatment.

I do think breast feeding becomes more of a bonding experience when it gets easier. When it is still being worked out it really isn't as much, except maybe those moments you get a good latch and your baby looks up at you <3 I'm sorry that you're having this challenge. I remember how emotional it was to go through with Clementine. It does get better! She nursed for two years

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I agree with Mares, it does get a lot better when the baby's latch gets stronger and you aren't dealing with the newness of nursing, engorgement, etc. My recommendation is to try to give you and baby some time to get over the hump if you can, mainly because exclusive pumping is a lot more work than nursing from the breast (just because of setting up the pump, washing parts, etc; plus it's really hard to pump in public compared to nursing while out and about). I will be returning to work after six weeks, so I understand that pumping is going to be a part of your life regardless. It is nice, though, to not have to deal with it so much at night and on weekends. I've done a lot of nursing, a lot of pumping, and even my share of formula feeding, so I totally understand that you have to look at your situation and decide what is working best for your family. If you do decide you want or need to exclusively pump (or any other combination of methods), you aren't alone by any means. A lot of women have babies who are unable to latch, often for medical reasons, so pump and bottle feed indefinitely. It's not a "wrong" choice, just a labor-intensive one.

Feel free to vent here! When I had my first, he was in NICU and I couldn't nurse him for the first week. So, I was a pumper before I was a breastfeeder. Engorgement was crazy, I had to be out in public a lot at the hospital, and even after he came home and was able to nurse, he had a very weak and fussy latch. We got past the worst of it after about three weeks, and after a few months, our breastfeeding relationship was a lot more positive. All that is said to encourage you; at the same time, I can very easily have seen us going the other way and choosing to pump or formula feed, so I have sympathy for where you are at decision-wise. I really wish you the best in finding your way through this, and want to encourage and support you no matter how you move forward.

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Thanks for sharing your experiences mares and primal. I was getting pretty upset and just feeling so frustrated with the situation.

Got him latched back on after some serious patience and pointing my nipple manually up to the top of his mouth. Things have been going well today, thankfully. Everyday is different.

Now he's become fussy in general and can only be soothed by popping the pinky finger in his mouth. I know everyone says to wait 6 weeks on the pacifier...don't really want my finger in his mouth all the time either.

Ah, 9 days of parenthood...
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Farmes, it depends on the kid. My daughter never took a paci, but the boys both started with them pretty much right away. We are using the soothies ones, and only letting them have them to calm down. Either they get it and then I switch to my nipple, or they calm down and start falling asleep and we take them out. When ,y daughter was teeny she behaved like you are describing, and what worked for me was to lie on my back and let her lie on top of me to nurse. She got really frustrated, so there was a lot of angry head bobbing, but I would help her find the nipple and then it was better. I think the gravity helped take the edge off of my oversupply. The problem only lasted a week or two and then my body regulated itself, so hopefully you aren't looking at a long term problem. I agree with primal that it would be really labor intensive to pump exclusively, so it is worth trying to stick it out a. It more with nursing if you can stand it, but definitely not uncommon if you decide it's the best solution. I don't get the deep bonding stuff as much as,I expected to with nursing, but it does get nicer when they are looking at you and stroking your cheek later, and it is much faster than having to pump and then feed.

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The newborn period is so difficult, farmes. Try to take it all a day at a time. The baby they are today won't be the baby they are tomorrow or a week or month from now. It gets better, and there are some amazing wonderful times, but it's tough at the beginning (and I'm not just talking about nursing, just the whole experience)! Hang in there and be gentle with yourself.

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Farmes, my 4 day old nursling is struggling with nursing today, too. We can do this, mama. It will be ok.
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Mamablue- I hope your little one figures things out. What seems to be the problem? It took Henry about a day and a half to get past the hump. The feeding strike began for us after I ate a lot of broccoli salad...
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Farmes - My guy doesn't have a great latch right now. I don't think he's tongue tied, but he really doesn't get his tongue under and a flared lip on the bottom. His bottom jaw is pretty recessed, so this may be something we will have to workaround. I think it will improve with continued nursing as those muscles will strengthen.
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Farmes - My guy doesn't have a great latch right now. I don't think he's tongue tied, but he really doesn't get his tongue under and a flared lip on the bottom. His bottom jaw is pretty recessed, so this may be something we will have to workaround. I think it will improve with continued nursing as those muscles will strengthen.
I'm hoping the last day or so has been going well for you.
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