Here's the line that seems the most straightforward:
"Embryonic heart-rates less than 80 BPM before 6.3 weeks gestation, and below 100 BPM between 6.3 to 7 weeks gestation have loss rates approaching 100%. An embryo with a slow heart-rate that survives the first trimester has a relatively good prognosis. However, these pregnancies may be at increased risk for congenital anomalies and aneuploidy."
It's why I am scared either way, and know that things ending now would be best.
I have a question. Have any of you other ladies noticed a change in your thermal shift? When I was ttc my ds, in my late 30s (I probably got pregnant about 3 days before my 40th birthday), I had a pretty standard thermal shift -- EWCM, Cervix SHOW, sometimes a temp. dip before ovulation and the one time that I used an O kit a positive O test, and then the next day my temp would go up and I knew I had ovulated. This time around things are different. I am seeing thermal shifts, and blood tests confirm that I am ovulating, but, the thermal shift is happening a couple of days after all the other signs. So now it is EWCM, cervix SHOW, a temp dip, a positive O test, and then, the next day, cervical position has changed and O test is starting to fade, but still a fairly low temp (maybe up from the dip but not up over the last six days of temps.) If it follows the pattern of the last few months, though, it will be up tomorrow.
I've read in several places that some women take a few days to respond to the progesterone with a thermal shift, but I haven't read anything about a woman's thermal shift pattern changing over time. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it yet another sign of peri menopause? Would it make it harder to conceive? Or does it matter?
Do I even want to know, when I'm right at the hopeful point of the cycle. Maybe not. But more info is probably better than less.
Sorry if this is way TMI.
Well, I started bleeding Monday night, but so far nothing particularly heavy and no bad cramping, just a bit of soreness now and then. My follow up dr appt and US are scheduled for tomorrow.
Caritasrainbow, I hope the ultrasound can give you some answers tomorrow.
I have to post and run, got a millions things going on. AF arrived last night, so that's me out for this cycle.
I am inching closer to my 47th birthday and really starting to think it may never happen. That won't stop me trying though.
Will catch up with more soon.
So sorry you are going through this, Caritasrainbow. I know how hard it is. ((( hugs )))
MamadeRumi, I have noticed a change in my thermal shift. When I was 40-44, it was more abrupt... I would have a dip the day of ovulation, and then the next day my temp would shoot waaay up. Now it is a bit more gradual and I don't always see a dip the day of ovulation. I'm assuming this is hormonal change happening... I know that my estrogen and progesterone levels are a bit low now according to some bloodwork I've had done. So that makes sense. I've started taking Vitex so perhaps that will help.
Gumblossom, I'm sorry AF arrived, but I do admire the way you continue to keep your heart and life open to whatever comes your way.
Caritasrainbow, I'm so, so sorry. Hugs to you.
I'm so sorry, mama.
I am sorry Caritasrainbow. I hope you can now start to heal and move on.
So sorry you are going through this. Sending hugs and thinking of you.
I'm sorry, Caritasrainbow. This all just sound awful. Could you order some herbs from online? Hugs to you.
I am waiting for AF to arrive. I was hopeful this month because we'd timed things well, but, now it seems like AF will be here any day now. That pretty much eliminates the possibility of my having a baby before my 45th birthday.
Caritasrainbow, I am not an medical authority, but I believe it is normal for the lining to be thin after a miscarriage. In fact, I think it is generally thin at the beginning of a cycle and then builds up so that if there is a fertilized egg after ovulation, it would have a place to implant. If it doesn't implant, then the body sheds the lining and it starts over again. I know when I was coming off of birth control (oh, to have back those years when I was trying NOT to get pregnant, but that's another matter), I was told to wait a cycle or two to let the lining build up, and I've heard similar advice given to women who have miscarriages. But I don't think a thin lining now indicates a problem for you.
Take care of yourself.
Arrrrgh! I am now on day 14 (or possibly 15, since the thermal shift wasn't as clear and sudden as it used to be) po, and my temp is still up. HPTs are resolutely BFN. any signs of pregnancy have subsided. But so have the signs of impending AF. I never have this long a luteal phase. It is usually 12 days, sometimes 13. Once it was the night of the 14th day before AF arrived, but then I did have a temp dip that a.m. So what is going on? Is this yet another fun change in my body? If I'm not pregnant, I want to move on and start the next cycle. And I wanted to do day 3 fsh testing, but I have a very early meeting scheduled for Wednesday, so I need day 1 to be, um, NOW. I know this is a minor irritation in the grand scheme of things, but it is irrititating.
MamadeRumi - my luteal phase has varied since entering my 40's by 1-2 days. It's not supposed to do this, according to everything I have read, but it does. I don't know what to make of it. So, I definitely sympathize with you there!
This month we actually had good solid go at the baby dance. yea for ED medication! Although AF is due in a few days and I feel the PMS irritability - so not too hopeful really. A tiny bit hopeful, yes, but no more.
Caritasrainbow, don't worry! A thin lining is totally normal after a m/c and cytotec. Been there. Your lining will be beautiful and lush in a couple of weeks, I'll bet.
MamadeRumi, yargh, I've been there with realizing my baby won't arrive before my 45th (and now my 46th) birthday. I hope you can not worry about that timetable and those milestones too much, they are truly just numbers that we assign meaning to. I think if we take relatively good care of our bodies and spirits and keep trying, one of these months we'll hit upon the right sperm-egg (and in my case, -immune system) combo and we'll get our babies. I have a friend who conceived at 45 (after having given up and stopped acupuncture, started drinking coffee and wine again, etc.) and delivered at 46. My grandmother had a baby at 47, and my great grandmother had one at 50. It's doable.
I was trying to decide if my luteal phase had changed, and was thinking it had, wanting to chime in, but then I realized I've had three periods in my 40s. I had my last child at 39, and I'm still reluctantly nursing (at night only and only just before bed). So I am now 42, but I had one period in February, got pregnant right after that, then miscarried in May, had a period in June and one in July, then got pregnant again. I know that when I got pregnant in March, it was 16 days after AF started, rather than my usual 14. And when I got pregnant in July it was 15 days after. So I would say that my cycles have changed, but since I've only had the one and then the two right after mc, I'm not sure if that is an accurate measurement. Also, after my May mc, my periods returned almost exactly a month to the date that the bleeding started, even though the main stuff wasn't expelled for another four days. I'm wondering about this one. I'm guessing it won't be a month after the bleeding started this time since my lining was so thin just Friday, 11 days after the bleeding started. It should be thickened by the time one is to ovulate, right?
I really am in limbo with my feelings about trying again. Not sure if I will actively try so much as not avoid. Plus keep up the vitamins, and possibly add some more supplements, although I'm just not sure.
I know age is just a number but sometimes I wonder if I'm doing my kid an injustice by trying at my age. Then again, I already have a two year old, so having another in the next year would not be adding on so much. Plus, having a 20 year old who is just as screwed up as a young adult can be, I can say with all certainty that I'm much better prepared for parenting now than I was then. I don't blame myself for his poor decisions, well, not entirely, but I do think that had he been brought up differently, things would be different. Who knows, maybe not? In retrospect it is easier for me to say, "Okay, I know that this could have been done differently", etc. With age does come maturity (for some of us) and wisdom (again, I guess that's not always true, but in our cases it certainly is).
I don't know, these are just the words rambling around in my head...
I never thought I'd have ONE miscarriage. Having just had two, I think I'm still in shock. I guess the process took so long it's hard to believe I was actually pregnant. Altough I was for a good couple of months or so, I even saw the little heart beating.
I do wonder if my obsessiveness with getting pregnant is a) merely a midlife, oh my god if I don't do this now I will never be able to again, or b) merely because I've now lost two and so my body longs for a pregnancy with proper closure, as in a real live baby. When I got pregnant in July, it was as if I'd merely taken a little minibreak and always been pregnant all along. I don't even know if any of this makes any sense.
Orange mama- I'm so glad to hear your dh got his meds! Fingers crossed!
Lit mama- You know you ARE right, age is just a number. I do think being older brings us a bit of wisdom though, and patience.
mamaderumi- no AF yet means there's still a chance. I hear you on being ready to move forward with the next cycle though. Once I know I've missed a cycle, I"m just anxious for it to be that time again. Well, even before this mc was over I was anxious to be able to begin trying. (even though I haven't made up my mind that's what I really want)
I guess I'll just have to see what I feel after this next period. Wonder when that'll be...
Caritasrainbow, so sorry that you're dealing with an older child who is having a rough time. ((( hugs ))) I worried a lot too about the impact my having a baby would have on my DD... it took a lot of ruminating and meditating (and even hypnotherapy) to clear those feelings and realize that in our case at least, a younger sibling would be a lifelong gift I could give to her. I agree with you that age brings patience and wisdom, and I also think there is a lot to what you say about our bodies needing closure after a loss.
MamadeRumi, in my last post I meant to add that my luteal phases have changed as well. I know they are supposed to remain constant, and it's our follicular phases that change. But I went through a long phase of having my luteal phase be anywhere between 12 and 15 days. That was before acupuncture and herbs... now it's pretty much always 15 days (yet I still have low progesterone... sigh...). I agree that you are not out quite yet this cycle!
Gumblossom, how are you?
if we don't get pg in the next couple of cycles i think we will move on. i like that my baby is almost 2 and looking after himself...lol. no more diapers as of now
Thanks, everyone, for your responses, but my temp dropped big time this a.m., so I think I really am out this month. But maybe AF won't start until tomorrow and then I can do the day 3 testing on thursday, which would be so much more doable than Wednesday.
Saoirse, I'd be sorry to see you go, but your post sounds as though you are at peace with whatever happens. That is very good to hear.
Well, I am out for this month. She's right on time this morning. As I had suspected. Disappointed.
Orangemomma, I'm sorry this wasn't your month. I am right there with you. AF arrived big time on Monday. I just returned from getting my day 3 fsh test -- crossing my fingers for good numbers.
Here's hoping for lots of bfps for this group next month.