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#61 of 433 Old 03-01-2005, 10:50 PM
 
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Wow, Joan, does that normally happen to you? (The nausea/fainting?)

About the vitex--are there any side effects I should be on the lookout for? Mood swings? (Goodness knows I don't need any more of those!) or any physical stuff?

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I am now on CD 22 and I have felt nauseous for 2 of the past three days. Hard to tell if that means anything or not! Been eating a bit erratically lately and that sometimes does it. But one can hope.

Overanalyzing every little twinge as usual...

AF should arrive by next Monday if it's going to.

I have been researching which doctor to go to in case AF comes, since the one we used last time (and loved) retired. I hope they will not want to repeat all the tests. I have my records from the last doctor and am hoping that will be good enough.

DS has been sick so I haven't been able to get to the bookstore to buy TCOYF. Where do you get the BB thermometers - just at the drugstore? Any recommendations for better models to look for?

Good luck to those of you whose O is coming up soon! Seems like there are a bunch of you on the same schedule. I love that "Baby Dust" wish, it's almost like a blessing. So I will use that. Baby Dust to all of us!
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Hey Shatki, somehow I missed your post!! I am sooo glad that you are moved it, how very exciting!
Yes, I am unfortunately still here.

greenmansions; if you look at this site www.fertilityshop.com they have an awesome digital bb therm that I want. It would give you an idea of what to look for too.
Most people like the one with a light so you can see the darn thing in the wee hours.
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Thanks, Velveteen. will check that out.
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GM--the digital thermometer is worth the extra $. Mine does light up, and it beeps when the temp is registered (a good thing because I usually stick it in my mouth and fall back asleep!) It also has a memory, so if I don't record it right away, I can check back later and see what the temp was. I'm pretty sure I got mine at drugstore.com.

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WOW - some of those O predictors are expensive

I really need some personal experience stories

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Polka, are you looking at the saliva tests?

CD 11 for me. LH surge today. I'm not sure what to hope for this cycle...if this isn't my month, I'll be getting my period on what was to have been my due date.



So, how are all my cycle buddies doing?

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ONE THOUSAND POSTS!!!!


Hey Joan, I'm cd 11 too, getting a surge but not the peak. I don't expect peak for a couple days.

I hope this is your cycle. We are here with you no matter what.
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Thanks, Velveteen.

I'm not really sure what's going on here. On the 6th and 7th I got positive LH tests. No dip in my temp. It's now rising, but it's rising very gradually--not the sudden increase in temp. that I usually see after O. What does this mean? Is this an anovulatory cycle for me? Anyone have a clue?

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So I am in shock. We had a BFP on Monday - I did the test twice then went out and bought another brand to make sure. The first ones developed a stripe at around 7 minutes - wasn't sure what to make of that.

This was entirely unexpected - after 2 1/2 years trying for #1, we were not terribly hopeful of success at all for #2.

I went for an HCG test today, and the RE will have me repeat weekly for next 3 weeks. I found out in a previous pregnancy that a miscarriage was pending after the 2nd HCG test, so I am trying not to get too excited til after that. End of week 7 - if I am lucky enough to get there this time - they will do an ultrasound to make sure it's developing properly.

Maybe this will be the month for all of us! Joan, Velveteen and Polka - sending baby vibes your way this week, as it must be about the "right time" for all of you.
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Congratulations, GM!!! You're due in...what...Nov.?

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Congratulations greenmansions! Lots of sticky baby vibes to you

Velveteen~ congrats on 1000 posts!

CD 12 here...some cm, I am having trouble figuring out what kind, and am not sure what day we will bd....perhaps tonight to start and then Sat??

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Green - WOOHOO :
wow, I'm so happy for you

The saliva tests I looked at - anyone have any success with these? THey are cheaper.

anybody use the O sticks online?

I started Vitex again this month & I'm not sure it did me good. : I still have not O'd yet.

big hopes for all of us

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Hi ladies, it's me, still lurking. Just wanted to pop on and say congratulations to greenmanshions. You give all us older mamas hope. And I need some hope now. If you can do it - we can all do it.
Lots and lots of sticky vibes to you.
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Thanks everyone for the good wishes.

Things may not be so good, the HCG test yesterday was only 30. That is way lower than with the other 2 pregs in which I had it tested. Both were nearer to 200 by this time.

The RE thinks it's still not a done deal either way. She wants to see the next test result, which is in a week - my old doctor did it on the first day of missed period and then 3 days later. So this will be a bit of a wait.

We'll see what happens but I am not very optimistic at this point.
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Keep us posted, okay? You're in my thoughts.

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Greenmanshions - how are you doing? I am hoping things are o.k. with you.
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Thank you Joan and hopeful for your concern. I am doing OK - this is early enough that I didn't really have time to adjust to the idea of being PG, plus we are so cautious not to get over excited given our track record.

I caved and took a pregnancy test today - not an "early" test so that the HCG level has to be a little higher to get a stripe - and it was a BFN. I'll still go for the HCG blood test on Tuesday and will see what that says. I hope then to get MD OK to stop the progesterone so that things will "move along" more quickly. Don't want to waste time waiting around for the actual miscarriage.

I conceived DS the first cycle after a miscarriage, so maybe next cycle will be it.
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Oh my goodness Greenmansions, I missed the all important post!! The boards were down, and then I never got a notice about a new post.
Hugs to you sister, I still remain hopeful that things will go well for you. I hope that you will think of yourself as very fertile, and a baby certainly awaits you.

As for me, this is my 18 months ttc and my hope is starting to fade. I just turned 43 years old, and I'm wondering how much longer I should ttc. It takes a lot of life energy to do this, I invest a lot of myself in it, I just don't know how much longer it would be wise. Do I want to keep doing this for another year? Maybe six months? I just wonder. I could use all your thoughts.
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Greenmanshions: you sound very positive and optomistic. I know how difficult it must be. You said it best though - you got pregnant and women are very fertile after a miscarriage (if that is what happened). You have every reason to be very hopeful to conceive very soon. My thoughts are with you.
Velveteen - We are both in the same boat as we are both the same age. I have been trying for almost a year now. For me though, I am not ready to throw in the towel. Dh doesen't have any children so it's different for me. I know what you mean about ttc being so stressful. It takes alot out of a woman. Sometimes I feel guilty that I'm not paying enough attention to the children I allready have. Sometimes I feel that I'm letting time slip by even faster by obsessing about a baby and not just relaxing and enjoying my forties and the independance that I have. It's so hard to know the right answer. You have to find it in yourself really. If you've run out of energy and optomism perhaps you should take a break from it. It's just so hard being let down month after month. Maybe a more relaxed approach will be just what you need to conceive.
I read about women our age who get pregnant all the time and I read about women who are our age and can't. I also read about women much younger than us who can't.
All I know is that the right answer lies within us. It is a decision only we can make. I could do the "if I were you" thing. I just think you know what is best for yourself.
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when was your B-day Velveteen ??

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GM--Hugs to you. I wish I could offer something more--but my fingers will be crossed for you next month.

Velveteen, I feel for you. I'll be 43 this year and we've been ttc for a loooong time. (2 1/2 years before I got preg. and miscarried last year.) I go through periods where I wonder if I should keep trying or not--what hopeful said,

"Sometimes I feel that I'm letting time slip by even faster by obsessing about a baby and not just relaxing and enjoying my forties and the independance that I have."

is EXACTLY how I've felt. But then I try and figure out exactly HOW I'd go about not trying...how do you ignore the signs your body gives that O is imminent? How do you stop being hopeful? Or disappointed? I'm not sure...I guess the only way, for me, would be to start using birth control, which seems laughable, considering, yk?

So, I have no answers...I sometimes think it would be easier to give up hope, but I'm not sure how that's done. Mostly, I find I'm in the "giving up" mood when I'm pmsing, then once my next cycle starts, I'm full of renewed hope.

Anyone else find their optimism/despair fluctuates with their hormones?

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GM--Hugs to you. I wish I could offer something more--but my fingers will be crossed for you next month.

Velveteen, I feel for you. I'll be 43 this year and we've been ttc for a loooong time. (2 1/2 years before I got preg. and miscarried last year.) I go through periods where I wonder if I should keep trying or not--what hopeful said,

"Sometimes I feel that I'm letting time slip by even faster by obsessing about a baby and not just relaxing and enjoying my forties and the independance that I have."

is EXACTLY how I've felt. But then I try and figure out exactly HOW I'd go about not trying...how do you ignore the signs your body gives that O is imminent? How do you stop being hopeful? Or disappointed? I'm not sure...I guess the only way, for me, would be to start using birth control, which seems laughable, considering, yk?

So, I have no answers...I sometimes think it would be easier to give up hope, but I'm not sure how that's done. Mostly, I find I'm in the "giving up" mood when I'm pmsing, then once my next cycle starts, I'm full of renewed hope.

Anyone else find their optimism/despair fluctuates with their hormones?

greenmansions

I feel exactly this way. I will be 43 in April. I have no idea how to stop trying, or how to stop wanting. In some ways, I wish I could stop and just resign myself to where we are now..and I imagine that will happen in time if we do not conceive. It is sometimes a daily reminder to myself, to live in the now. It is definitely cyclical with me, also.

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Hello

This is my first post so please excuse me if I get something wrong. I have been lurking on and off for a few weeks now but I had to jump in now. The last few messages could have been me talking. I'm 42 - will be 43 later this year. Been ttc number 2 since about last August. We have a lovely little boy who has just turned 13 months. We had to wait a while for him and had an early m/c about 13 months before I fell pg with him. I would love another baby but as the months go by I wonder if I'm chasing a foolish dream. Shouldn't I be happy with one child ? Is it greedy to want another one ? A friend from work brought her 8 week old boy into the office last week. It was lovely to see them both but all I could think about was I want another one.

Cd 1 for me so you can probably hear the hormones talking !

Just wanted to say that you all seem so strong and wise and supportive. So glad I have found this forum. Great to feel that I am not the only 40+ woman with a dream about babies. Maybe I should try charting. Any suggestions for a newbee ?
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Priddy - welcome to the forum. Great place to hang out. This forum is so informative and full of some amazingly intelligent people. Hope you enjoy it.
I feel so much like all of you feel. The optomism at the beginning of every cycle. Then the dreaded 2ww when the obsession really takes off. Then the gradual slide of my positive feelings to the inevitable let down once the pms symptoms hit.
This is such a great discussion because the question certainly is "how does one give up?" Do we just stop trying, forget about it happening. When I feel myself ovulating what do I do. I can't ignore it. None of us can - that's why we are here. I guess we just have to try not to obsess about it. But then we obsess about not obsessing. Wow - whatever shall we do.
Guess you just really have to want to give up. You have to be determined and stubborn that you've had enough. Do you want to give up? Have you really had enough. I think thats the only way.
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AF arrived this morning. I spoke with the RE and she referred me onto the fertility clinic - they have a luteal phase defect specialist there who I will see. Can't get an appt til May 9, though am waitlisted if anything comes open. Would have a find a babysitter for DS at the last minute tho, and that will not be easy. I will keep taking progesterone in the mean time per my current regimen.

Regarding giving up, I know of more than one instance where once the couple finally gives up or takes a break, they get pregnant. I think it's because the pressure's off. Another friend got PG naturally after several failed IVFs. She had decided to take a break and was on Valium for stress relief.

TTC is a high stress activity and it seems to affect us all negatively at some point.

For those of you who are struggling the emotional wear and tear, maybe a few months off would be worth a try - just two or three. Then reevaluate with your partners at the end of the agreed upon "holiday". See how you both feel at that point. For me, I seem to hit a wall where I can't deal with the big stuff anymore (not just TTC) and then a break brings clarity to the choices I am making and whether they are still right for me. But I sure know that while that clock is ticking a break is hard to justify... We did do it the first time 'round and this time, our reevaluation point will be in December.
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Green - (((((((((((((((((big HUGS)))))))))))))

WELCOME Priddy - hope your stay here is short. I'm fairly new to this bunch & I think you'll like it here. Great bunch here

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Hi all,
I have been lurking and reading the posts. I am almost 40 (a few more months) and ttc #2 so I (almost) fit right in here!

I'm wondering if anyone could recommend some resources in trying to get pregnant? First steps? books to read? MY ob/gyn is all gung ho to start clomid and I don't want to go that route just yet.
I also was wondering if anyone else is around my age and also nursing their little ones. Sometimes I wonder if this might be inhibiting my ability to get pregnant.

My husband and I haven't really used any birth control since ds was born almost 2 years ago. But I honestly haven't charted anything, or checked to see when I am ovulating. Also, to be honest, much of the time, dh and I are too tired to have sex LOL. It took us over a year to get pregnant with our wonderful son, but again, I didn't keep track of ovulation, temperatures or even having sex around the appropriate days in the cycle.

My periods are very regular.
I had an OB/GYN tell me, "don't you think it's time you stopped nursing ds and had yourself another baby?" (in other words, she seemed to think that my nursing ds was to keep him a baby or some such nonsense.) I just said I know of many moms who are still nursing and able to conceive. But ever since she said that to me, I have been doubting.

I would prefer to keep nursing ds, since I have had regular periods since last June. He enjoys it, and to be honest, so do I. But I am interested in hearing whether anyone else TTC is also nursing.

Also, what do some of the abbreviations mean? cd 1???
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thank you all for your amazing support.

Greenmansions, hugs to you. I wanted it for you~ it won't be long. If you conceived this cycle, it will happen again.

Welcome Priddy, I am so glad you are here!!

Danielsmom, welcome!!!! I did nurse my ds while TTC and at the time didn't think much of it. Now, looking back, I wonder if it didn't inhibit my chances quite a lot. Now I am second guessing myself, because I nursed for about 8 or 9 more months while ttc and over 40 too. I guess I didn't think I would have trouble conceiving, and I surely didn't want to give up the nursing relationship.
CD 1 means 'cycle date 1' or the first day of your cycle. Generally a day we all hate. Hope is down and the disappointment is at a peak!!

I read somewhere about a women struggling with infertility, and she said she gave up a little at a time. Stopped examining her charts religiously, stopped pouring over her records of tests, stopped doing exhaustive research into her problem. But I am not ready to give up, but the little nagging doubt of 'will it ever happen for me' comes a little more often. I don't think of myself as infertile, just sub-fertile because of age only. My cycles are perfect, I have all the right signs at all the right times. We have great timing. I just don't know WHY I am not getting pregnant. I should have a 9 month old baby by now! Or, at the very least, a 6 month old baby because of the chemical pg I had.
Part of my problem is that I took dinner to a friend that just had a baby girl last week. I wanted to do it for her, after all, she is not out to get me or anything. But I look at her relative youth with jealousy as obviously she is going to be more fertile than I. Plus, her baby is gorgeous.

So, all in all I am not ready to quit by degrees, the wanting is still the same. How can you stop wanting? I wanted ds to have a sibling closer in age that what will happen even if I am pg this very cycle. He is 4.5 now! Waaay to long a spread, but yet it would be better than not at all.

Danielsmom, books I can heartily reccomend if you don't have them already.

Taking Charge of Your Fertility~ Toni Weschler. Absolute must have book.

Inconceivable~ Julia Indichova. You must read this book. This is the personal story of a 40+ woman in her quest for a baby that was ultimately successful.

Staying Fertile Longer~ The best book I have read on the helpful things to do for fertility. After reading every book on the shelf at the library, this one takes the cake (aside from TCOYF)

Wise womens herbal for the Childbearing years~ great book but the author doesn't come to mind.

The infertility cure~ Randine Lewis

Websites:
www.adellpress.com This is Julia Indichova's website. Great for the older mom who is ttc. Holistic approach

www.asmallwwweb.com Women overy 40 forget the 'speech'

www.tryingtoconceive.com Herbal approach with different packages for different needs

Hope this helps!!
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welcome priddy and danielsmom! Baby dust to you both!

I can't speak much to charting since i don't do it myself to date (there are others on this board who are pretty expert about it), so far I use the ovulation predictor kits and note when I am "sliming" and we act based on those things - usually BD when the slime starts, at least every other day til the LH surge, then make sure to again on the surge day. If we are still into it, we do again on the day after the surge. We have had 4 pregnancies this way, but only one went to term because I have other issues.

You can always "save" the clomid for a little later - give it a go for awhile without it and when you are starting to feel like things are moving too slowly, then start it.

CD1 = cycle day 1 or first day of your period.
OPK = ovulation predictor kit
BFP/BFN = big fat positive/negative (re pregnancy test)
LH = hormone that induces ovulation
HCG = pregnancy hormone
HPK = home pregnancy test
RE = reproductive endocrinologist
BD = baby dance (actually, physically TTC )

I can't comment at all on the nursing while TTC thing, except to say that if you want #2 badly enough and that might be a hindrance, then you will have an unpleasant choice to make, but think about what has the longer term consequences for your life. Regret is a nasty emotion. Don't like to put myself in the position to feel it if I can help it.

So DH and I had a nice dinner tonight and he made me cosmopolitans - at least for the moment I feel better about things! I am very lucky to have a wonderful DH.

thank you everyone again for the hugs and good wishes. I am just glad this didn't drag on - I mc'd the first time at 10 weeks so that was a big drag partly because it was unexpected. (Even bigger drag because it was apparently solely due to the luteal phase defect - no genetic abnormalities were found.) This one just sets me a week behind. I am figuring out what I will try next month with my progesterone pills to optimize the dosage - I may go back to using them vaginally which sucked. But the RE wouldn't prescribe me the cream I wanted (procheive) since she was not familiar enough with it. I may have mentioned in a previous post that she mostly deals with menopause and more simple fertility issues like giving clomid. Until I have my fertility doc appt I have to wing it a bit, based on what my old doctor had me do. Luckily I have enough pills to play around with for the next few cycles til my appt.

Velveteen, you are a strong strong woman and you will get through this and emerge in a better place - one that works for you.

I notice sometimes while I am so carefully composing my posts others are posted that I am not aware of, so sorry if I miss something in the meantime...

And sorry for the long post!! Is it me or DH's cosmos? :LOL
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