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I do plan to wean during my pregnancy. But my dd will be 3 in July, and I feel like we've nursed long enough already. If I had gotten pregnant when she was smaller I think I would have felt differently.

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I would like to tandem, but may wean. Right now, I'm planning on weaning sometime between 2 and 3, and DD will have her 2nd b-day will I'm pg (if I ever get there). I have every expectation that nursing will be extremely painful (since it is during my LP), so my plans may change.
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Hey, mamas!
I'm hoping that if we get pregnant dd will wean on her own. I don't think I would force it along but I would definitely want to do away w/ the night nursing.
zac's mom, I know what you mean... I'm 31 & feel like time is running out!

I'm cd8, 6 & 7 were just spotting & today I have a light flow again. Dd has been nursing non-stop w/ a cold. I had the same illness, it lasted 10 days! Could that cause a weird period? I never go over 6 days so I'm wondering what's happening.
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Beemama, that's odd. I don't know.

I just thought I'd bring up something that's been bothering me about this thread. We used to be very supportive of each other. Now it seems that if someone asks a question, they are more likely to be ignored than not. I'm just kind of sad to lose the comradery. I know I needed to take a break from thinking about TTC for awhile, and I kind of disappeared. I"m back now, and I'm hoping everyone will jump back in!
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I know what you mean, tomsgirl. I watched this thread for months before we started ttc and it was such a close knit community and people really helped each other. I asked a question a while ago and no one has still answered. Of course, I haven't been answering questions either. So maybe I should start. I am hoping to tandem nurse. Although I am hoping by that time that Samantha will be down to once or twice a day. But I'd like to continue on. I am hoping that IF we can manage to get pregnant (which I am worried about) that my milk will stay and it won't be too painful. Good question, btw!
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NAK
KWYM, tomsgirl & sunnylady... I've been spending most of my TTC journey over in the One Thread even tho this one would be more appropriate because everyone is so supportive. When I first came to TTC I posted in both threads & was actually welcomed over there. I asked to join here & noone acknowledged me at all...

I'd love to be part of the rebirth of the supportive Nursing Mamas thread!
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Well, I'm glad I"m not alone. Good to see there's still some interest. I know someone asked a question about what b6 was for a while back, was that you sunnylady303?

I try to take 2 B-100 complex every day. B6 should not be taken in isolation, but rather in proportion to the other B vitamins. I believe it's something like 4:1. There's some really good info in Fertility, Cycles, and Nutrition about this. One of the reasons to take it is to replace the B vitamins that refined foods (read: sugar) & birth control negate. Other reasons to take it are anemia, PMS (luteal phase defects), infertility, etc etc ad nauseum. It's good for everything, but especially for nursing moms trying to get pg due to our increased nutritional demands and sometimes unbalanced hormones.
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Yes, that was me! Thank you so much...that was exactly what I was looking for! I'll have to start taking it.
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Here's a informal poll:
How long have you been TTC? How have your fertility goals/ approaches changed?

We've been "open to pg" for 7 cycles now. Looking back at my charts, we've only had a chance for pg for one of those cycles due to my returning fertility and our below average sex life. This fact is hard to deal with emotionally, even though I "get it" rationally.

My focus has changed from finding a physical "body" balance in which I would experience a return to fertility to creating a loving "relationship" balance in which we can conceive.
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Here's a informal poll:
How long have you been TTC? How have your fertility goals/ approaches changed?
That's a good question. We weren't exactly ttc when we got pregnant last August and then had a m/c, but it made us realize just how much we wanted another child. Shortly thereafter we officially started ttc and as I'm sure most of you know have had another m/c and blighted ovum in that time.

I would say my approach has had to change. I have to be so much more aware of my cycles and fertility signs when I had taken so much of it for granted for so long. Although I have charted for several years, my cycles have changed since the blighted ovum in March and so I have had no choice but to adapt. Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition is a great book and I am learnign a lot from it, although it can be a little overwhelming. I have switched prenatal vitamins and have also added progesterone cream. My husband has also started takign supplements, but I guess if I had to find a positive, I would say it's good because it is stuff we should have been doing anyway and just didn't realize. And I would also have to say that our goals have changes as well. Our goal used to be to simply get pregnant and now we have to be concerned with staying pregnant.

As for whether or not I will wean or continue nursing while pregnant, it's really not up to me. If I were to choose I would continue to nurse (he is almost 16 mo), but I will likely have a very diminished supply once I get past the first trimester as I have had in the past.

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Here's a informal poll:
How long have you been TTC? How have your fertility goals/ approaches changed?
We have been open to conceiving for 3 months. I dont think my goal has changed as we still want to be pregnant, but our approach is changing. We've been trying through manupulating bf'ing, herbs, nightweaning, etc. and nothing is helping to bring back fertility, so at this point, I'm considering weaning. I definately have some mixed emotions, but aside from the fact that I'm really ready to have a second child, we're leaving for a 10 day trip sans child in late July/august for our 5 year anniversary, so I'll have to wean soon anyways.
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tomsgirl- thank you for responding to my question about LP.

On weaning, at this point I think my dd would most likely wean on her own. She's getting closer and closer on her own. I would prefer to not wean her unless on her own. Not sure how I might do nursing while pregnant but I'd like to try tandem nursing.

On how long we've been ttc #2. I remember talking with DH last summer (August). We were in the pool and decided it was time to start. But then lots of things happened and I don't think we DTD once in all of September and probably only once in October. I had decent hopes for December and we've been more focused since then. So I guess we're going on 6 months of real ttc. We're trying to stay relaxed about the whole thing. Ha! I have finally made a long overdue appointment with my GYN. I haven't had a check-up since my 6 week pp visit. . dd is now 28 months old

I've been pretty busy. We're trying to sell our house and make a small move. DD is in this interesting stage of independence. It seemed like she was going to co-sleep forever but one night she wanted to sleep in her crib. She's been sleaping most of every night in there for the past couple of weeks. . It still seems weird. On top of all the regular life stuff my sweet black lab had to have knee surgery and there is 10 weeks of restricted activity. We've made it through 1 week now. . How on earth do you restrict the activity of a lab without going nuts

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Heya Mamas! Can I join in the TTC fun?

My DD will be one on the 29th, still no AF and we're getting antsy for another baby! :LOL I've just recently picked up Taking Charge of Your Fertility and wow, it's a lot of information! DD was conceived pretty easily, so I never had to learn a whole lot about it before : But I'm excited to be learning more about my body. I'm still not sure what my changes are of a BFP since we're still nursing pretty often, but I'm down to give it the ol' college try.

I'm excited to try out vitex - sounds like it might speed things up. Thanks for the tip, ladies.
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How long have you been ttc? How have your fertility goals/approaches changed?

We started not preventing in August, so 10 months now. Though dh and I had some difficulties in our marriage and he didn't really feel ready for another baby at first (he did NOT tell me he felt that way). So in December we agreed to quit trying to make a baby and start trying to have great sex, and if it made a baby so be it. Our marriage got a lot better, which seemed to be more about both of us being on the same page more than anything. However, this month is the last month that I think I'm going to be able to be laid back. If I'm not prego this month, I plan to start doing all of the temperature taking, calling for sex in the middle of the day when I think I've O'd (calling dh at work I mean) and generally getting VERY intense about it.

Emotionally, the first 10 months I've tried to be very laid back and not stress about how much I want another baby. And in retrosepect, I'm glad I didn't concieve right away. We started just after dd turned 2, and I realize now that a bigger space between my children will be easier on me, and on them. Dd is just about to wean with the slight amount of encouragement I've been giving her. She is still much more of a baby than I thought she would be at almost 3, and I think for her, it is good she doesn't have to share me yet. I'm not knocking anyone else's choices, but for us, I think this is right.

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i would like to tandem....ds will be 3 in august and is still quite the little nurser...sometimes i think he might wean if my milk dries up, sometimes i think he will dry nurse for comfort.....we'll see..........

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You can move me to 2ww. I too, want to tandem nurse, but I am worried about even getting a BFP b/c dd still nurses 1-2 x's a night. I got PG VERY easily w/her and now I'm not sure if we are going to concieve. I chart my o in a very basic way and have never done the temp thing, etc. I've been having a hatrd time trying to gauge my CM although I KNOW I have ov'd since I AF returned at 7mo pp. DD is almost 20 mos and I really want to be PG! Can anyone explain how nursing affects ttc? My dh is leaning towards weaning dd.

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We started out not avoiding in November, December I was pretty interested in when O was happening. By March I was temping & drinking green tea. I started acupuncture for fertility in late march or early April. I've had 2 treatments.
We may take a break, I've been sick 3 times in 6 weeks, dd is sick right now & it takes so much out of us. But I get so sad about taking a break! I'm 31 & feel like we might be running out of time.
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To answer the informal poll and question about my charting etc.

We have been ttc since June '04. Got pregnant right away, July 04, miscarried at almost 12 weeks sept '04 (no heartbeat at 9.5 weeks, I had a d&c after trying cytotec and hemhorraging). Waited 1 month, tried again. It has been 9 cycles since my miscarriage. One of them we weren't really trying as I had a bad sinus infection. My cycles just kept getting shorter and shorter from 27-28 days to 23-24 days. I had only been doing CM and then in February I started charting, so I only have 5? charts to show a doc. I also had a chemical pregnancy 2 cycles ago--so early I'm not even positive it was positive.

They show short luteal phase--11 days on average--and low bbt. But clear thermal shift and fairly clear ovulation (I did OPK and saliva microscope for a few months too to make sure). I also started taking vitex, evening primrose, B-complex, omega 3's.

I finally demanded that my OB test my progesterone (I had gotten all the herbal advice from my lay midwife but beyond that she couldn't really help) and it was really abnormally low. I weigh about 15lbs more than I did when I got pregnant last summer, and 30+ more than when I got pregnant with my son, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

After conceiving so easily the first 2 times, we are a little worried & very disappointed. I regret very much taking the cytotec and wish I had been able to wait for a natural miscarriage. I am 30 and even though we have not been unable to conceive for a year, the miscarriage history and luteal problems are sending me to a RE/fertility specialist, so we are going next month and taking a break from TTC until then, and maybe longer.

I also hate the "well you are getting older" comments. I'm only 30!! Yeah, not 22, but isn't it too early for the "your eggs are old and tired" comments??

I don't technically breastfeed anymore, as I haven't had milk for about 18 months but my 2.5 year old is still a nummy monster. He cared not when I was pregnant last summer and I doubt anything would make him wean, though I'd love for him to because nursing w/o milk isn't exactly pleasant and he has terrible nursing manners because he's not occupied with drinking. It has been suggested to me that he might actually wean when the milk comes in--"hey, mommy, what's this gross stuff?? Why is it coming out of the nummies???" :LOL

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Can anyone explain how nursing affects ttc? My dh is leaning towards weaning dd.
Nursing can decrease your cervical fluid, so the little sperm don't have anything to swim in, or not enough. That can make conception hard.
you can drink green tea to help with that.

Nursing can also cause your luteal phase (time from ovulation to period) to be too short for implantation to occur. I've taken a B complex and Omega 3s to help with that. Some people also use progesterine cream for this problem.
If you are having trouble charting from your CM, it would be a good idea to try the temping, so you can figure out when you are O'ing to know what applies to you.

Personally, it took night weaning dd for my cycles to start to show improvement, but it might have been that I was SO tired from the night waking more than the nursing. She seems to be ready to wean at 33 months, and though we've been ttc for a while, I'm glad I didn't push her too much. I don't think you should wean unless you and your dd feel ready for it. You never know if you will be able to concieve quickly after you wean, and you don't want to regret weaning for something that still took a while to happen or would have happened anyway. I hope that makes sense.

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This is only our second month ttc. It is so discouraging to read all the trouble some of you have had. If it discourages me, I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you. My dh is the one who is gung-ho about having another child. I want one but have so many worries and fears about being pregnant, giving birth, and the way my relationship with my dd will change. We are not even charting at this point, but if I don't get a + this month we will start and I think I will start taking a B complex vitamin and I will have to learn more about this green tea thing. I've never heard that before. Does it really work? My period is due Sunday. I haven't tested yet - I'm hoping just to wait and see if it starts. We'll see. I don't have a lot of hope for this month.
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sunnylady~ the green tea has worked for me, but there are a few girls over on the 'one thread' who lost their CM altogether while they were drinking it & had it return when they stopped. You'd have to try & see.... it has other healing properties(loaded w/ antioxidants) so it couldn't hurt to try! HTH!

here's a link to another thread w/more info on green tea.
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The other thing about nursing and TTC is that the elevated prolactin tends to unbalance the hormones, sometimes decreasing estrogen (making you ovulate late or not at all) which in turn affects the progesterone in the second phase of the cycle, making luteal phase short which makes implantation (or "sticking") difficult. Vitex is the best to help with that as it has a balancing effect.

For some women (definitely not all! or even most!) TTC is difficult if not impossible while breastfeeding. I think that this affects those of us who are a bit older or have had IF issues in the past--it's just one more thing added to the pile. Other women have very little trouble and conceive and carry to term several times while nursing. It really depends.

From what I've noticed here the hardest part is timing intercourse right for ovulation and having too little cervical fluid. Since O'ing can be wacky when BFing and CF can be scant or not very welcoming, charting helps, as do herbal supplements (many also swear by preseed--a sperm friendly lubricant which we've used the last 6 months or so. It's $$ but very nice stuff, not sticky at all. It can help the spermies find a little more welcoming environment if your fluids are scant.) Also, expectorant (robitussin --"guanifesin" is the type) helps thin out what you've got if you tend to have really sticky stuff. Drink lots and lots and lots of water while taking it or else it won't do jack.

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Julie, I just wanted to point out that the average nursing mom does not experience a full return of fertility until 14-15 months. If your body's not ready, nothing will help. It's kind of like going into labor. IMO, weaning is kind of a drastic step at this point. Are you concerned about your fertility for other reasons (age, medical issues, etc)?

Mamameg - Just out of curiosity, how old is your nursling? You probably don't want to start taking any kind of supplemetation w/o a good reason. (I take a very conservative approach).

Jentilla - Here's a repost of mine for you. It's slightly off-topic, but you'll get the gist. On average, nursing moms have AF return around 9 months, Ovulation returns around 14-15 months, and then luteal phase still has to even out.
"Remember that the goal is not to lengthen your LP. It is to create a state of health and balance where your body is functioning at optimum levels. As nursing moms, we have a lot higher nutritional demands. Also, if you eat a lot of caffeine, sugar and processed foods, you are depleting your body of B vitamins. That was a real wake-up call to me - I'm eating all of this crap, then taking vitamins to replace what I'm losing? How does that make sense? :LOL

My #1 resource is www.kellymom.com. There's a great section on Breastfeeding and Pregnancy there. I did a little research on LP in bfing moms, as well.

There's not a lot of info out there about the luteal phase deficiency aspect of the transition to fertility for nursing moms. Most sites only discuss ovulation. I did a search on PubMed, and here's what I found:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12311528
Especially this bit: "45% of the completed menstrual cycles during lactation were anovular and of the 55% which were ovular, many were associated with defective luteal phases. " I don't know how long they monitored the women, as the full text wasn't available, but it does make me feel better that I"m not the only one ovulating and having a short LP.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11589131
General discussion of return to fertility.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=8324608
"When ovulatory cycles associated with adequate luteal phases were considered, the corresponding figures were 13.8% at 6 months and 37.5% at 12 months." That means that at 12 months postpartum, only 37.5% of women had both ovulation and adequate luteal phases to support implantation. Make you feel any better? Does me. "
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Wooh, ok... Been TTC this time for 8 months, actively for 3.

For #1 I was TTC for 18 months, in a post-depo provera rut. 3 cycles on chasteberry
(Vitex), about 6-7 cycles on an herbal tea... Red clover blossoms and red
raspberry leaves, mainly, plus nettles, oat straw, spearmint and other stuff for taste. Also had
false unicorn root in the tea, plus dong quai during the second half of the
cycle. Generic prenatal pills for the whole 18 months, 1mg extra folic acid,
cal-mag suppliment. OH! And for the last 3 or 4 months DH and I had been
taking Vit E suppliments as well. I think that's about everything.
I'd also done a few weeks of accupuncture MANY months ago... which I'm not
sure if it did much directly, but it did teach me some really good
accupressure points on my body.

Started taking Vitex while nursing DS1 in preparation to start TTC again, got pregnant RIGHT away (while cycles were still 5weeks to 3-4 months long!). Loved tandem nursing and kept at it until about 3or4 days ago (I was ready and gently urged my almost 4yo to wean...) DS2 is self-night weaned and has been for some time... but family drama and illness has made this a tough cycle for us. (anyone else have a SIL who absolutely hates you?)

B complex is a staple around my house for its mood enhansers... I'm a BIG fan of the naturally uplifting effects.

Sleepymama- how is preseed different from "Slippery Stuff"? I did my research since my at home business keeps me pretty involved in this stuff and I know SS is pH balanced so not to upset the movement or abilities of sperm... But I have customers who are TTC and I wasn't aware that there is a big difference-- if there is I'd love to know!


Speaking of which: anyone else find that TTC (and failing) can kill a sex life? Some of my best return customers are people who are struggling with infertility.

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I am not sure. I haven't tried slippery stuff, but I do know it is ph balanced and there are a lot of anecdotal stories about couples TTC for years then trying it and getting PG fast. There are studies that show it helps improve motility, but here is their website.

http://www.preseed.com/

It comes in individual applicators which you are supposed to use internally, but I found that I can make a tube last for two "attempts" if I just squirt half directly onto DH. There isn't a lot in each tube though, and there are only 6 tubes for $20, so it definitely is a bit pricey.

And yes, if you combine BF, antidepressants, and infertility you get NO sex life at all... (that would be me...)

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We're in our new house finally and computer is hooked up, and no it didn't stop me from obsessing about getting pregnant!! I'm 11 days post ovulation today.
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Well,

I am a nursing mama, baby born in April '04.

I got a BFP today!!!

No return of my cycle, so it's that much more of a surprise!!!
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Congrats Louise!

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I'm here...
Totally confued. Had 2 bledding episodes since my first AF april 14th, these 2nd 2 were not as heavy as periods, but not just spotting either... uugg

Dont know what to think. Sorry I am not up to date, just WAY too much going on here, Hopefullynext week things will calm down and I will be here more.

My chart- http://www2.fertilityfriend.com/home/859cb
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Julie, I just wanted to point out that the average nursing mom does not experience a full return of fertility until 14-15 months. If your body's not ready, nothing will help. It's kind of like going into labor. IMO, weaning is kind of a drastic step at this point. Are you concerned about your fertility for other reasons (age, medical issues, etc)?
thanks for thinking of me. TTC isn't the only reason we're weaning. We are heading out of the country at the end of July sans Nicholas (he's staying with my parents) for 10 days for our 5 year wedding anniversary. I've never used a pump before so the thought of having to pump every 3 hours for the trip just isn't that thrilling to me. Not to mention that he'll most likely have enough to adjust to just being with my parents let alone adjusting to not having the breast, ykwim? top that off with the fact that we would like to have 4 children and I don't want to be having babies much past 35 and you've got a ticking clock. I know that only nursing for about 13 months goes contrary to what most of you believe, but hopefully you'll still welcome me to post. I actually did just ovulate for the first time 4 days ago (I may have ovulated once before but it was pretty defective), and I'm hoping that my cycles will start to regulate now.
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