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#121 of 934 Old 11-10-2007, 12:31 AM
 
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Thanks Laurie! I'm ferning like crazy. 8 DPO and perfect ferns. So that generally indicates 1 of 3 things right? Pregnancy, perimenopause or PCOS.
Is that your understanding too?
I did fern quite a bit post-O in the only other cycle I really used the saliva scope but I am quite sure I actually WAS pregnant that cycle, it just never implanted properly. My LP was 3 days longer than usual.
Last month I got sick of using it and stopped using it after O. I checked it once or twice, no really good ferning.

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Vegan, your chart does look great.
I haven't been online for a while. Long story...roommates didn't pay cable/internet bill, and it got shut off! I opened my own account today with just basic cable and cheapie internet (but high speed) for $40/mo, which I hope they'll contribute to. If not, I"ll password protect them out of access to the web!!! So much for the honeymoon phase with the roommate situation!

I started using progesterone cream a few days ago, which raised my temps (and caused FF to give me dotted cross hairs), but this evening I started spotting, and while I'd like to believe that it's AF's dog Spot's cousin, Implantation Spot, I highly doubt it.

Wouldn't it be nice to become pregnant? I know we'd all love to add that as one of our 2007 successes.

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Hi everyone. My cycle is driving me nuts. I have been SURE I O'd each of the past three days, each day for a different reason. But this morning my temp is down again and I'm at a loss. Perhaps I am on my way to an anovulatory cycle???

Here's my chart.

First my OPKs started getting lighter, rather than darker. Then my pre-O achy ovaries went away. Then my temp went way up yesterday after a really steep drop the day before. But now I'm back to the usual pre-O temps. :

Dh leaves tomorrow for Japan, so we have one more chance tonight. I'm bummed; my last cycle (with no BD) was textbook and so easy for me to predict O. Oy. Why is it so hard when I am actually trying?

Veganmama, your chart looks good. Welcome socialworkmamma. And hi MsGB (glad you got your cable back) and speedknitter.

Hey, happy birthday all you November-birthday mamas! :
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Nice to see you guys!

Juneau, I am sorry, I just don't know about that chart of yours. Maybe it's going to be a fallback rise? I get those sometimes.

I woke up 1.5 hours early this morning and had no choice, I had to pee. So I temped and it was WAY down. So I didn't bother POAS. Then I took it again at my regular time, just to see. And it was back up at 37C.

Today I am sick: sore throat and slight headache. Feel a little off. Also BBs, well one BB (LOL) is sore.

But I am not feeling good about that temp. 9 DPO is pretty late for an implantation dip.

Msgoodbuns, I almost got my internet cut off this month too. But it was totally my fault, I fogot to pay the bill online. I told DH I just have too many responsibilities, sometimes I'm going to drop the ball! All he haas to do is go to work and clean up some of the dinner dishes. Nice life, LOL!

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I'm glad to be back in the network! Juneau, I know exactly how you feel. Wonky cycles when you're trying to conceive; normal cycles on the months when you don't try. Veganmama, you're still in it until the fat lady sings!

I'm going to start adding even MORE herbs to my diet (I'm already taking Vitex and Maca, plus lots of vitamins, incl. B6)...Has anyone tried false unicorn root, ginseng or astralagas? Anyone taking chinese herbal concoctions? I took them for a while, but hated the taste and couldn't get myself to take them 3x / day. However, I'm feeling a bit desperate now!

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I'm glad to be back in the network! Juneau, I know exactly how you feel. Wonky cycles when you're trying to conceive; normal cycles on the months when you don't try. Veganmama, you're still in it until the fat lady sings!

I'm going to start adding even MORE herbs to my diet (I'm already taking Vitex and Maca, plus lots of vitamins, incl. B6)...Has anyone tried false unicorn root, ginseng or astralagas? Anyone taking chinese herbal concoctions? I took them for a while, but hated the taste and couldn't get myself to take them 3x / day. However, I'm feeling a bit desperate now!
No, I haven't taken those 3 yet msgoodbuns. "Just" EPO, Vitex and Red Raspberry Leaf. And Robitussin and Maca and my prenatals. I plan on going back to the natural pharmacy if I am not PG this cycle, the pharmacist said he could recommend a few more things. And I might go see an acupuncturist as well.
DH is taking maca, zinc, vitamin e and c.
Ah, the things we do!

AFM, 10 DPO today, temp back up again. BFN on the internet cheapie I sacrificed. Hopefully it's just still too early.

Have a fertile day everyone!

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Veganmama, my fingers are crossed for you.
How much / how often do you take EPO, Vitex, Red Raspberry Leaf and Maca? I take 1000 mg EPO post O, one "squirt" of Vitex and Maca a day (30-50 drops), and haven't been taking RRL, but probably will add it this cycle. When is a good time to start? I wonder if I'm just not taking enough of these things. I also take B6 (150 mg), prenatals, Vit C, calcium, zinc (when feeling a cold coming on), acidophilous (PB8), and fish oil (follicular phase). I'm sure there are other things, too. I take so many vitamins / pills these days! I'm considering seeing a new OB/GYN here in Boston for some tips, but would rather see someone holistically minded. I wonder if I should try Clomid again.

Please chime in on the quantities and frequencies that you all take these herbs / vitamins.

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5DPO here timing looks good. Let's hope the Vitex produced a good eggie and that we caught it this time.
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I am on CD10, felt twingey today and kind of out of sorts but nothing on my OPK. I did have tons of EWCM yesterday. So we DTD just to be safe

I take Daily Wellness Fertility Blend for Women - the only way I can find Vitex around here. It contains Vitamin E, B6, B12, Folate, Iron, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, L-arginine, Green tea and Vitex. It says it is scientifically validated to increase a women's fertility but it works best after 3 months. I am on my second month.

Good luck everyone this month and happy birthday to all the Scorpios.

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I have updated the chart in my siggy to my ovusoft chart. I believe it is more accurate than the fertility friend and it lets me use ferning and cm as an indicator which is great since I am not really temping while working 3rd shift.

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Hi everyone, my chart continues to confound. It's either annovulatory or delayed ovulation. Maybe it's a cycle to synch back up with the moon (for the past year or so, I've ovulated around the full moon, but the miscarriage and ectopic threw my cycle to be completely opposite). This happened after I miscarried Daniel last summer; I had a couple of wonky cycles and once I was back in phase with the moon it evened out again. I've never quite geared up so obviously to O without actually ovulating, though.

Vegan, I've started to believe the "implantation dip" is a complete myth. I get it often when I am not pregnant. I think it's either a natural progesterone dip or estrogen surge that all women get (and some can detect) whether they're pregnant or not. So ignore it and don't lose hope. (BTW, implantation can definitely occur as late as 9 DPO.)
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Hey everyone,

Thanks Juneau!

I take 400 mg of Vitex daily. Just one capsule, the bottle says to take 3 though. I take 3000 mg of EPO (3 X 1000) and 1500 of Red Raspberry Leaf (also 3 X 1000) and a teaspoon of maca root powder. Plus I had half a cup of grapefruit juice. I did all that AF-O and then I just did flaxssed oil after that.

AFM, another BFN this morning.

My temps are amazing. I took my temp 2 hours early this morning (DS wet the bed!) and it was still as high as it usually ever gets.

But maybe I am just sick!

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Keep up the high temps, Veganmama. Thanks for the feedback on your vitamin/herb intake.

Juneau, I hear ya on the wonkiness.

I've been investigating Massachusetts health insurance plans today. Some cost a lot, but have incredible infertility coverage. I'm in the process of calling for an appt w/an RE. I think I'm going to get on the bandwagon, if the RE says I'm still a viable IVF candidate, and prepare to try IVF soon. One plan (Harvard Pilgrim Insurance) offers up to 6 IVF cycles. I have a lot more research to do, but hopefully it will all be worth it in the end.

All my best to each of you.

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MsGB good luck in your search for coverage. That is great you are finding some that cover IVF.
Veganmama hang in there. I agree with Juneau that the implantation dip is a bit of a myth.

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Hey msgoodbuns - I hope your reserach is fruitful!

Well, I'm out, my temp took a huge nosedive this morning. So I guess my beautiful temps were a combination of the time change (at 1 DPO) and a mild case of the flu the last few days.

Given how quickly I got PG with my 2 kids, and how perfectly we have been timing everything since TTC this time, I am thinking it is just not in the cards for us anymore, we waited too long.

Part of me is OK with it. After all, I have 2 gorgeous kids. One of each even. And work-wise another child would be very, very hard.

I have the follow up appointment with the specialist on Monday.

I hope all you wonderful women have a great day and extra good luck to Laurie and anyone else in the 2 WW!!

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veganmama, so sorry! I was really hoping for the BFP for you. Maybe that perfect egg has just not "hatched" yet. I can so relate to having two healthy children and wondering about my desire for a third.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Ms. Goodbuns, that opportunity for IVF sounds really positive.
To everyone else still in the wait, hope good news soon.
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Just bumping us up, I get lonely for you guys!

AF showed up this morning so I guess FF and I were wrong and Ovusoft was right and I actually O'd on CD 11.

Found out today that my FSH is 10.78 (borderline).

How is everyone else? I know at least 2 of you are in the 2 WW, where are your updates?

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Hi Veganmama,

Sorry to hear about AF. Did you do the clomid challenge test for your FSH levels? It's been so long since I've had mine tested, but I will have to do it again soon if I'm going to the RE and planning for IVF. Is it a day 3 and a day 10 test?

I'm heading to an OB/GYN tomorrow for "irregular menses" (so that I can get a visit with her and a referral to an RE, but not have to pay for it completely out of pocket!). I've had a weird AF this month...a few days of flo, and a few more of spotting afterwards. My moodiness hit during the spotting phase. I should be back to "normal" very soon.

Talk to ya'all later.
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8dpo here sleep deprived because of my 3rd shift work no symptoms of anything either way.

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Hi Veganmama,

Sorry to hear about AF. Did you do the clomid challenge test for your FSH levels? It's been so long since I've had mine tested, but I will have to do it again soon if I'm going to the RE and planning for IVF. Is it a day 3 and a day 10 test?

I'm heading to an OB/GYN tomorrow for "irregular menses" (so that I can get a visit with her and a referral to an RE, but not have to pay for it completely out of pocket!). I've had a weird AF this month...a few days of flo, and a few more of spotting afterwards. My moodiness hit during the spotting phase. I should be back to "normal" very soon.

Talk to ya'all later.
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Hey Ms GB, this was my first time having anything tested so I will see what the fertility specialist recommends on Monday. FSH is generally a CD 3 test but I think if you are doing IVF it gets tested again on CD 10.

So far I have not had to pay for anything out of pocket (I'm in Canada) but certainly from here on in somethings will not be covered. IVF is covered in Canada for women who have blocked tubes, which I do not

I've been doing some reading about DHEA, anyone lese have any opinions on this?

Laurie, fingers crossed for you as you head into the 1WW!

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Vegan,

I took DHEA for a few months, and had some endocrine issues, although I'm not quite sure what they were, since I couldn't get in to an endocrinologists for a few months afterwards! I seem to remember having stomach issues, a tender liver or something weird. I didn't notice any positive effects of the DHEA.
You might want to get your hormone levels tested first as a baseline, to see if you have any issues that could be corrected by the DHEA. Just a thought.
Hope that helps.

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Yeah, I think they checked my DHEA levels, I can't remember for sure. I go to get my bloodwork results on Monday.
I think it takes 4 months for optimum results from DHEA but there is some speculation that it only works in conjunction with fertility drugs. That said, it seems to increase follicle production and egg quality quite dramatically.
I'm going to do more research. Thanks Ms GB!

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Hello from travel-land. I suddenly have normal post-O temps so while my chart was incredibly wonky pre-O it looks like I did in fact ovulate. I am wondering if a double ovulation might show this kind of pattern. Anyone know? Any other speculations as to what it might be? I don't think our timing is great; our last BD opportunity was PM on CD17 and FF says I O'd on CD20. But if I O'd twice then we'd be OK. :

I'm going to assume I'm not pregnant and not stress out too much during the rest of the 2WW (however long that may be!).

Good luck MsGB, and don't give up hope yet, veganmama.
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Jumping in to say "hi" - I'm now 46. I had gotten pg at 41 (surprise - we weren't going to have kids), but it ended up being a blighted ovum. Within months I was pg again (we weren't even trying yet) and now have ds (now 3yo). I've been ttc for the last year and a half - not pg even once. I've been doing acupuncture since last Dec (although discouragement has made me stop the last month and a half) along with Chinese herbs. I have a fertilility acupuncture specialist checking my charts - her interpretation is just that I have some liver problems (liver in Chinese med anyway). Dh's sperm is just fine, so it's me. I'm slowly resigning myself to the fact that ds will not be getting a sibling. (I still o every month, and many months I swear I get spotting 7-10 days past o, but still nothing) I'm about 7dpo right now and sitting here w/cramps - so depressing.

Is anyone getting pg at my age?? (and having successful pgs I should add?)
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Juneau, your chart does look good.
Can't really answer anyone else's Q's. TTC after 40 is truly a challenge.

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I am thinking of testing maybe Monday. I will see what my temps do. But I will be 13dpo by then. My normal LP is 12 but has been as much as 14 so if I make it to 13 dpo then it should be safe to test right?

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Nicksmom, I am sorry, it sounds like you have had a tough time of it. I am starting the acupunture (depends what he says) and chinese herbs myself. I have my first consultation tomorrow. I also ordered Randine Lewis' The Infertility Cure on Wednesday (AF was kicking my butt!).

I don't personally know of any women 46 who have gotten PG with their own eggs but I know there is a fertility clinic in New York where they are giving all thir patients DHEA along with the fertility drugs and they have a 45 year old who conceived (and is still pregnant) with her own eggs.

I'd say if you are still ovulating it's always possible of course. Some of those eggs (albeit a much lower proportion than when we were younger) are likely still viable.

Have you been to a fertility specialist? I have my first follow up app on Monday.

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Hi Nicksmom,

I'm in a similar boat.

I had my first child three days after my 43rd birthday. I conceived the first month we tried by the way.

We knew we wanted a second child and I thought we would try again when my son was a year old. But I wasn't ready then and waited another year. I conceived the second month this time but sadly miscarried. Now it has been over a year that we have been trying and I am worried that it won't happen.

Though a friend of mine just had her second child, an HBAC at the age of 46. Similar situation had her first in her early 40's, miscarried with her second pregnancy (~10 months before mine), and it took a while before she got pregnant the third time but now has a beautiful baby boy. So, this give me hope that it might be my turn soon.

I would love to hear from any moms who've had successful pregnancies in their mid to late forties.
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Veganmama,

Do you know which fertility clinic it is in NYC that works with women age 45? From what I understand, they only treat women here through age 43. Since I'm pushing 44, it would be great to find a provider that would assist me after 44.

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Hello from a lurking TTC over 40 graduate.

Nick's Mom, a friend and mentor of mine named Cheryl Lindsey-Seelhoff conceived her twelfth child when she was 46. You might have heard of her. She published a homeschooling magazine called Gentle Spirit in the 90s and is now better known as a feminist blogger.

I don't know her well enough to know for sure whether she used donor egs, but it is so completely not her style that I highly doubt it.

I did want to offer a bit of hope here and mention that I am starting the third trimester with what has been my easiest pregnancy ever. It was a bit of a struggle to conceive, but so worth it.

Best of luck to all of you.
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