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My vent for the day: why is getting pregnant so freaking hard to do? With my son, I was 27 (I'm 32 now) and it was nothing. Like literally, I know the day and time conception happened. This time around (5 years later) and it's like pulling teeth with no pain med. I can't get pregnant to save my life. First it was stress, then it was my weight, then it was I'm not ovulating, etc. It's ALWAYS something! I just want to get pregnant, have a healthy pregnancy and healthy baby. That's it. I feel bad for feeling this way since there are ladies who have spent YEARS trying to get pregnant with no success and here I am almost a year in and complaining. Sigh. Vent over and back to work I go!


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Thanks @Xerxella  because I wasn't even sure what I'm supposed to get from it LOL


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Little kind - glad you have found your peace with what's happening to you... I'm sure there are a few things that doctors could try to help make a sticky one if you have no joy with the just the vitex... If there's a baby waiting for you they wont stop trying until they succeed - just hold that knowledge when it gets hard... Ladies is baby asprin something that helps?

Xerxella - this is sounding positive! Are they likely to out you on hold and wait for the small ones? Or just trigger the two big ones? Fx!

Mo - lol vent away - believe me we all feel like that at times, and the hormones really dont help! Oxford you had a really rough month your first one on clomid when you ovulated didn't you? Mo hugs! I've been there too, at times it feels like giving up would be easier - but we don't... We are living under the influence of babies lol, and that can be a joyous and annoying journey... When it gets bad just remember why you're doing it - I hope that gives you strength.
Btw my mum took letrozole for post chemo treatment, and felt so awful she only lasted 10 days - that made me feel braver getting through it. Also if you're not taking a mega b supp (or pg supp - same stuff) get one - I was starting to feel depressed and anxious from the meds and that supp put me back to normal.
8dpo here - on progesterone and hcg shots still so ignoring any 'symptoms' although I seem to get tummy twinges regardless of success lol

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Thanks @chuord  I'm feeling a little better today. I go through these spells of crazy emotions. 

 

Went in for my blood test today to see if I ovulated. Should have the results back in a few days so I guess we'll see where we go from here.


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MAYDAY MAYDAY! My progesterone blood test is back. What does this mean??? My results have me at 6.46.

 

PROGESTERONE ng/ml
Normal Menstruating Females
Follicular Phase 0.15 - 1.40
Luteal Phase 3.34 - 25.56
Mid Luteal Phase 4.44 - 28.03
Postmenopausal 0.00 - 0.73 

Pregnant Females
First Trimester 11.22 - 90.00
Second Trimester 25.55 - 89.40
Third Trimester 48.40 - 422.50


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Mo I'm no expert but you are post o... So that means luteal phase or mid luteal phase... So although on the lower side you are in the normal brackets... Anyone please correct if wrong... But I'm thinking all is ok smile.gif mine at 16dpo mid chemical was 37... Many re's give progesterone supps as a support regardless (mine does)
Anyway I can't see anything to stress too much about - what dpo were you when it was taken? Or cycle day...

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@chuord im cycle day 22 and about 7 days since my last positive ovulation test

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So if this cycle is going to end up with a pg it is still too early to expect your progesterone to have jumped to the pg stats... (My opinion lol) so I stand by my first thoughts - you are in the normal range smile.gif just need to wait and see... If you have any worries ring your specialist - I bug the nurse at mine with questions whenever I need... They would much prefer that than I get stressed or change the protocol. Hope you are feeling less stressed!

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Spoke with my doctor this evening. He says that my results are consistent with ovulation. :D Now we wait and see if I get a period. If not, then obviously I need to test for pregnancy yikes2.gif :1praying If not pregnant, then it's back to the pharmacy to pick up my 100mg dose of clomid and try again. shrug.gif

 

I feel SO much better having a clue and knowing where to go from here.

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Mo I'm soo happy you had o lol... Compared to your last re this one seems to get your body... Here's to needing to test wink1.gif
I totally get it! As annoying as all my monitoring has been I love having diagnostic proof that my cycle functions lol!

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@chuord  Girl I was literally starting to freak out and Google EVERYTHING! LOL 

 

 

Now that this is done, I think I will do a late night yoga session here at home and relax. 


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Are you on ff for your charting? If so I'm http://fertilityfriend.com/home/41d17e
Feel free to add me as a friend and we can stalk each other's charts wink1.gif
Lol anyone else want to share?

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@naturallymo- I'm glad you called your doc! My novice eyes would think the same as Chuord. It sounds like it's all good!

@chuord- how are you my dear?!?

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I'm good adie wink1.gif just waiting for the next cycle and ivf - focusing on that and not wondering about this one is less stressful!
How are you? When's the scan?

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Kewpie - it's so cool that you are happy to share all that experience, also that you are so relaxed! Can I awake why you are doing bcp for a month (aside from the obvious lol) I'm wondering is it just for testing dh or is the preparation longer than I thought?

 

They want complete control of the ovaries and hormones and a month of BCPs gives them that.  When I come off of them next bleed, that's when the stims start.


AFM - AF showed up tonight.  Just heavy spotting, so looks like tomorrow will be CD1 for me.  I've got to call in the AM and get my SIS scheduled for next week, start my BCPs, and finalize our protocol with the nurse (tomorrow afternoon)

 

DH had his semen analysis today.  We should have results tonight.  I'm really nervous.  He's been off of clomid for 2.5 years now. 


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Kewpie - I understand... It's a bit exciting that it's all about to start for you... Hope the tests come back normal

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Way to go everyone!

Been busy with school (I am in my master's program -taking 2 classes part-time while working part-time) and my husband is taking a course in order to apply for his master's as well. 

 

Things have been a little off for the last couple weeks.

 

I got a call today that some of my blood work results came back and I need to get a shot for rubella. 

 

Had to re-schedule our appt from this Thursday to early in March (due to vehicle issues- which is a whole other can of worms right now).

This has me frustrated and upset- everything seems to be taking so long. I just want to get the process started. I am tired of waiting


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Mo - I know how you feel.  I got pregnant easy with my first...same as you.  1st time lucky!  Then when I wanted to get pregnant with #2 nothing happened.  It took me three years!  It's a long story, but I can related to how you feel.  When you want a baby you WANT a baby!!  Secondary infertility puts you at a weird place! and I did sometimes feel guilty for being so upset I couldn't get pregnant again when so many ladies just wanted to get pregnant the 1st time.

 

Good luck!  Clomid never worked for me, but a super dose of femara did.  


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tinytina - Hugs. I hate the wait. I hope it goes quickly for you.

Kewpie - So exciting! And nerve racking! Let us know what your protocol is going to be when you get it. I love those details.

Mo - I agree with everyone else! smile.gif You definitely ovulated. Hopefully, the progesterone will rise as you get your +HPT! LOL Seriously, when you do get your + you can have them re check your progesterone and feel free to supplement if it's below 10ish. When's testing day?

chuord - When are you expecting AF? (Or when are you testing?) smile.gif

AFM - Yesterday's ultrasound didn't go too well. Basically, the follicles didn't grow at all. greensad.gif And my estrogen barely rose from 122 to 147. Double greensad.gif So, the doc upped the dose and I go back in in the morning for a check again. I'm not TOO worried. We're talking millimeters here. Yesterday they were 18, 17.5, 12, 12, 12, 11.5. Today they were 18, 17, 16, 13, 13, 11. And, two different ultrasound techs so they could be measuring differently. And, my estrogen DID go up and it's not surprising that's it's low because the letrozole will make it low. I think it'll rise now that I'm done with the letrozole. :FX I think IUI Friday or Saturday.

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Just curious:  Those of you who have follicle monitoring, do you write down your numbers or just try to memorize them as they're called out?  I try to remember the biggest, the littlest, and how many on each side.  I can't remember much more than that.


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Kewpie - I write them all down. And, if I miss some I ask at the end of the u/s. I also want to know all my bloodwork numbers. I think the nurses and techs are used to my need for information now. Information makes me feel in control of a situation that I actually have no control over. I know alot of people feel the exact opposite and that too much information just makes them feel overwhelmed. So, of course, whatever works for you.

AFM - Everything seems to be chugging along nicely. The follicles are now at a 19, 18, 17, 15, 14, 13 and my lining is at a 11.5 which is good. I know my estrogen is rising too because last night I got EWCM which I only get when my estrogen gets above 200. I think I'll go one more day and trigger tomorrow for the IUI on Saturday. Keep sending good thoughts my way! Update. Estrogen = 271

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Xerxella - that is looking soo promising - at least 4 that should develop! Fx for Saturday! I never thought about writing it all down - great idea! I need to feel in control too, just reminding myself I'm choosing to do this helps. One question what have you been told about estrogen levels? My re said this month that right before trigger he expects between 500-1000 per 'good' egg and mine was 272 which was why he thought I'd only have one that was any use (and that the iui was a bit wasted) I used letrozole so same re the estrogen block... I'm really curious as your eggs are looking so good... Also I'm a bit worried that my body refuses to be really stimmed to the max, after letrozole I did the fsh for 10 days - since I o normally I would expect more than one good one and one old one.
Last hcg short today then probably AF by Tuesday... I'm sure I'm out although I get some twinges, I seem to get those every month regardless.

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xerxella - I've thought about writing them down this time, but then I know that I don't have the first 2 cycles down and being a completest, it's going to really bug me.  I hear ya on needing to feel in control.

 

 

AFM: Well, I've got my protocol and calendar figured out.  I start BCPs on friday and then add baby aspirin on the 23rd.  They have me starting antibiotics on the 5th of march and then I'll start follicle monitoring and stims on the 14th and 15th of March.

 

I'm going to be on an antagonist protocol, which I already know I respond well to.  I'll be on a pretty high dose of follistim, 225 and will be adding ganirelix as the antagonist about a week later.

 

They have no idea which will be my trigger, an HCG or Lupron.  It depends on whether they think I will hyperstimulate or not.

 

Um, grand list:

 

doxycycline

Lupron 

follistim

ganirelix

hCG trigger

medrol

baby aspirin

endometrin

progesterone in oil

estradiol

 

The last 2, I may be able to skip... I'll know later.  Retrieval is expected to be around the 26th and transfer on the 31st of march.  First beta mid april.


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Kewpie - that's exciting to have it all so clearly mapped out! The aggressive approach sounds like there will be more eggs - yay for that!
I rang my docs and asked if I needed to come in early to sort it out, they said just come when your period starts... I prefer your way!

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chuord - At first I thought your RE was nuts, then I figured you might be using a different scale than the US! orngtongue.gif In Canada E2 levels are measured in picomols and in the United States E2 levels are measured in picograms. If you want to compare numbers, here is how to convert them:

Canadian E2 ÷ 3.67 = American E2
American E2 x 3.67 = Canadian E2

Are Australian numbers measured the same way? If so, your doc says 136-272 per mature follicle in US terms, that seems about right. Most docs here say about 200 per mature follicle. But, that ALL changes when you're on Letrozole. Letrozole works by reducing your estrogen levels. Estrogen levels on Letrozole are about half those normally per mature follicle. So, 250-500 (Australian) per mature follicle on Letrozole would be what you'd expect to see. So, it would seem that you could have had one mature follicle and everything would've been right.

So, in Canadian measurements my estrogen is at 995. To complicate things, I tend to have low estrogen levels (as many "older" women do). For my IVF cycles (without Letrozole) my estrogen would barely hit 1000 (3670 Canadian) and I would get 6-8 mature eggs. So, I guess that's why I'm pleased with my Estrogen levels. orngtongue.gif See? Clear as mud.

Here's an article on Letrozole that I liked: http://www.inviafertility.com/blog/infertility/drvkarande/letrozole-for-ovulation-induction It says, "Transvaginal follicle ultrasounds are the mainstay of cycle management. E2 levels remain low and are of very limited (if any) use."

Chuord - How much fsh did you do? For my IVFs I did 450 iu Follistim and 150 iu Menopur. Even for this cycle I did 300 - 450 iu Follistim and 150iu Menopur. What's your doc willing to do? I wish they'd let you come in early to talk about it! How will you get all your meds in time?


Kewpie - Well, here we go! Are you ready for all this? I've done the antagonist protocol and liked it. I'm sure it'll work well for you, too. Good luck!!!


AFM - The follicles are slowly growing, but it looks like we'll trigger tonight. They are 20, 19, 18, 16, 16, 16. So here goes.

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Hope it's cool for me to just jump in here.  DH and I are in cycle 13 of TTC #1, starting our first full cycle with the RE.  We already know we won't be doing IVF (insurance doesn't cover it), so we'll see how far we get.  His SA came back good last week, my tests have all looked good except for low progesterone (5.4 on 7 DPO).  Going for HSG tomorrow (CD5), hopefully starting Clomid at the same time.

 

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Xerxella - thanks so much for the explanation and info! I did google and apparently the conversion is the same as you suggested - so I'm on canada style figures - which now makes sense! Apparently the measurement we use for AMH is different to yours too (for us 0-15 is approaching meno, 15-30 is still ok amount and mine was 67 - could be an indicator for pcos or insulin resistance... But my re was fine with that no)
I totally get why you are excited re e2 levels... Last month at 16dpo when my hcg had already started to fall my e2 was 727, so that fits with one 'good' egg too.... I think this month he's going to leave off the letrozole regardless of what we do as it's not giving me a huge boost... Also your lining is superb!!! Mine was 7.5 this month on trigger day - he said it was just enough but he'd like thicker...
Ok so this last month he only added fsh (gonal) as he wasn't happy after letrozole - I asked to go gently as I'm very sensitive to hormones (for me this was a test run of how I'd handle it) do we did 50 fsh for 5 days, at monitoring he wasn't happy still (one large and two that were still a bit too small - 14? And three at 10 that wouldn't be joining in) so I increased the gonal fsh to 75 with cetride to hold off o for 4 days, then 6500hcg trigger, then the 1500 boosters three more times (last was yesterday and 10dpo)
I know that this month he'll take the gonal as high as I can tolerate / he did do an ivf plan for me two months ago... I'll try and find that to see what levels... (I'm just assuming it will change knowing now how I respond) the gonL did make me feel anxious and depressed but the vitamin b fixed that, did you have any problem with that? Kewpie did you?
So Xerxella - are you thinking that those 16's will be joining the party too? If so that gives you 6 eggs - both scary and totally freaking fantastic smile.gif
Acute would - welcome! Lol I'm with you my fingers would itch... When we had our first appointment with the specialist and he asked how long we'd been trying my dh said it's not been that long has it? I felt like saying well you weren't trying all that time no... Lol men just don't get the body clock thing - and mine is a doctor, but still a man first wink1.gif
Mo - how's it going?
Oxford - update?
How is everyone else's cycle going?

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Kewpie - Well, here we go! Are you ready for all this? I've done the antagonist protocol and liked it. I'm sure it'll work well for you, too. Good luck!!!
 

 

Thanks.  I'm ready one minute and not the next.  I'm sure we all can relate.  YAY for trigger!

 

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Kewpie - that's exciting to have it all so clearly mapped out! The aggressive approach sounds like there will be more eggs - yay for that!
I rang my docs and asked if I needed to come in early to sort it out, they said just come when your period starts... I prefer your way!

 

This new clinic is really nice in that they've gor it all mapped out, I agree.  They also gave me a color coded calendar telling me when to stop and start everything and when to trigger and everything in between. It's been awesome.

 

 

caitwould - good luck and welcome!  I hope your stay here is short and sweet

 

Chuord -  I've never taken gonal f, just follistim on all my cycles, so I'm no help there.  


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Hey guys. All is well here. We've been stuck in the house since Monday evening due to an ice storm. WE lost power overnight and it finally came back this afternoon. I've been having some sharp pains near my ovaries so I could be ovulating again. I don't know. Either way I'm doing good. 


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Caite - Welcome.gif Good luck! It sounds like you have a great plan. I hope your stay here is short and sweet. smile.gif

Kewpie - A color coded calendar?!??!?! That's nice! Sometimes, I feel like my clinic puts me a little too out on my own. Like they asked me if I wanted to do 1 or 2 iui's this cycle. I completely hadn't thought about that. I thought they'd have an opinion. Instead they left it completely up to me!

Mo - It seems unlikely you'd be ovulating again. Usually you get one shot a cycle. BUT, it sounds to me like implantation maybe..... At 6 or 7 dpo, it's totally possible.... Just saying....

chuord - One of the 16's may be a leftover cyst. It seems darker than the others which the tech said may mean it's no good. I don't know. So, maybe only 5. Either way, I'm fine with it. With my age and experiences, I'm in NO danger of high order multiples.


To all: The office asked me if I wanted to do 1 or 2 IUI's this cycle. I completely hadn't thought about it. I figured we'd just do one and since I wasn't prepared with an answer that's what I said and what we're doing. But, does anybody have any thoughts/ information on this? For next cycle (and hopefully there won't be one) what should I do?

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