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Old 12-11-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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I'd like to join, just to keep an eye on everyone's progress and get some suggestions about the options out there. I am not TTC right now - in fact, I have a copper IUD because the thought of conceiving and losing again was too much. I have a son who is three, and have lost 3-5 pregnancies since then (3 on my med chart, two other positive pregnancy tests followed by loss. Chemical, I guess?)

 

I finally am thinking I might try again in the spring, so I have an appointment to start seeing an herbalist (I am taking vitex and macca already) and I've cut out coffee because I think I might have estrogen dominance. I also have cysts on both ovaries but the doctors said they're of the fairly normal variety. I read those are another symptom of estrogen dominance though. I used progesterone cream with my last pregnancy and still lost it, but I think my plan for the future will be to try herbs and diet to get my hormones under control, and get progesterone injections during pregnancy. 

 

I'm looking forward to hearing what works for all of you and getting some ideas. Good luck!


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Thinking about you ladies often as well. I really wish when I came on here there weren't so many familiar faces. 

monkey, milk8shake, xerxella, laggie…. Hope you're all off this train soon.  The whole recurrent miscarriage thing is a real downer. As if it isn't bad enough to be infertile but then to add miscarriage when you finally do get pregnant… just mind-boggling.

 

I'm still in treatment. We did a fresh cycle in Oct and had a 'chemical pregnancy', basically my period started the day after my BFP and then I had a miscarriage a week later. My beta increased in the first week, despite the heavy bleeding.

 

This cycle I went to NY for intralipids and am on lovenox injections. I only had my transfer a few days ago so there is no news as of now. I've gotten pregnant all 3 times so it is hard to imagine not getting pregnant but I know it could happen. I'm just searching for a miracle. 


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Toothfairy- I agree that it is hard to see familiar faces! I feel that way about you! Hugs and I hope this one is your take home baby! Are the intralipids the transfusions to help with implantation or is that something else?

Me- 35 pcos DH- 37 no issues
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Toothfairy - my fingers are crossed that the added meds will make a difference for you. I want so bad for this to be your turn!

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Oh, Toothfairy, good luck! I am excited for you to be in your TWW, even though I realize it's probably nerve-wracking for you. And will continue to be nerve-wracking even if/when you get your BFP. Hope you've got the winning combo of treatments this time. I'm so sorry to hear you had another loss. I want so much to wave a magic wand and make recurrent miscarriages disappear. I will keep your family in my prayers.

 

Sourire - Oh, that is a nice new avatar! I, too, frequently stalk your blog. Glad that despite some scares, everything is going well.

 

Laggie - Thinking good thoughts for you! I hope the donor eggs are the magic bullet. The only thing I have against September babies is there are already 4 between our two families - we each have 2 siblings born in September! Three within 4 days of each other!

 

X - I think the time was ripe for a new combined IF thread. Hope this place continues to be hopping with support, unless everyone just gets pregnant in one mad rush of universal joy. (A girl can dream, right?) I may have to read your blog to catch up on your story. I've semi-followed you through some of the TTCAL threads and the IVF thread, but I think I'm confused about things at this point. Anyway, I hope your embryoscopy results reveal something useful.

 

Welcome to those I haven't met before, and welcome back to a lot of old familiar faces. It's a little mindboggling to think I started posting in IF threads 3 years ago this month. There have been so many triumphs and heartbreaks in that time.

 

AFM, well, my ds puked 8 times in 4 hours tonight. Meanwhile, my dh is out of town until Friday, which is not unusual for him. As I was talking the 4th load of barfy laundry downstairs, I thought to myself...what would I do if I had a newborn that needed me and a barfing toddler? All of my friends have kids themselves, and I wouldn't want them to leave their families and expose themselves to germs to help me out. And I started thinking it was totally nuts to TTC while dh is still traveling so much. Except we have not the vaguest notion of when he might not have to travel so much. Sigh. This ambivalence just keeps coming up. Yesterday, I met with the same OB/GYN who told me about South Beach two years ago (does that sentence even make sense?). He asked if I was TTC or not, and I didn't know what to say. So I just spilled to him about how we'd conceived and miscarried, and about how I wanted that baby, but wasn't sure about trying again, but my dh had been very worried about the pregnancy that I lost, but was gung-ho about trying again. He was very understanding, and correctly identified the fact that my husband wants to "fix" things by having another baby. And told me an engineering joke when I told him my husband was an engineer, and his whole job revolves around fixing problems.

 

Anyway, he basically said that if I'm not TTC, he thinks it's in my best interest to be on ovulation suppression drugs (i.e., birth control), and if I am TTC, I should be on metformin to reduce my miscarriage risk. He also agreed to run a standard PCOS panel to see where my hormones and cholesterol are at, just to see if there's anything worrying. And a thyroid panel, since I'm paranoid about thyroid issues since we have a lot of hypothyroidism in my family. I have to fast for the blood work, so I haven't done it yet. I was going to try for Friday, but we'll have to see if ds is well enough to be left with someone. He said he doesn't think being heterozygous for MTHFR C677T is anything to worry about, but I wonder if some of you ladies who've done more research have a different opinion?

 

Most importantly, he readily agreed to do serial beta tests and an early ultrasound if/when I do get pregnant. I was scared to ask him, because I delivered my son with midwives, and will most likely do the same with future children. (I never saw him again after that initial visit 2 years ago - he gave me BC to take while I worked on losing weight with South Beach, I was waiting for my period to come to start them, and, well, it didn't come!) When I brought it up with him, he said very matter-of-factly, "Of course I can do that for you. I'm your doctor." I wanted to hug him at that point. I'm philosophically anti-unnecessary-testing-in-pregnancy, but I can't go through another 10-week wait to see if things are really working out or not. It made me bananas with my son, and I only did it because I didn't have anyone to ask for lab orders. (Apparently, I should have called Mr. Nice Doctor back!) After losing this one, with zero idea of when things went wrong or what went wrong, I just... can't. I can't get that excited about what might be a blighted ovum. I just need to know what happens, whenever it happens.

 

And now... I wait. I'm pretty sure I ovulated either Monday or Tuesday. (Chart stalkers click here.) I never got a +OPK, but I've been very sloppy about when I test, and Monday's test wasn't until something like 8 PM, I think. Sunday's might have been just as late, I don't remember. But the cervical change is pretty clear, and the temp pattern looks like my O pattern, though of course it's too soon to know for sure. The last two days' OPKs have definitely been fainter than before. The timing isn't impossible, though the CM was not very encouraging. I don't know what I'm hoping for, really. I guess I will take what I get.


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@toothfairy2be that just sounds so hard ! You are brave and strong to keep trying and sharing the info about your recent cycle. I hope this will be the one! Best of everything to. Keep us posted.
@monkeyscience wow ! What a dilemma! Hugs to you! Things just are not as clear as we''d like. I had my last cycle in July (FET) and we finally used up all our embryos and I am just too old( I feel) to go through another retrieval and medications that made me crazy and I have a toddler too! Having a baby is not suppose to be so hard! So I am grieving and trying to get the energy to get another child somehow in our lives. Hope your son is feeling better.
@Xerxella I am thinking about you!
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Hi @monkeyscience . You and your sister used the South Beach Diet to lose weight? Is that a diet that is good for those with PCOS? I'm in the same boat that I need to lose weight in order to get pregnant but I'm not following a specific diet plan. Just increased proteins and physical activity and very little white carbs. Any advice is appreciated.


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Mo - she's actually my cousin, but yes. smile.gif I only lost about 7 lbs before getting pregnant (which actually caused me to lose 4 more lbs initially!), but that was in only 3 weeks. I think my cousin lost 15-20 lbs. (Neither of us were hugely overweight to begin with, but if you have more to lose, you would probably lose more faster.) It's a good PCOS diet because it's a low glycemic index diet. Also, it's more about permanently changing how you eat than just dropping weight and then abandoning it. I'd highly recommend getting the actual book and reading it. It's a fast read, and you can probably get it through your local library.

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And today my temp is down and my cervix is back up. Apparently my body is just messing with me. Sigh.

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Mo-south beach is great for PCOS! I have been doing a no refined carb and no dairy diet since the end of Sept and I've lost 30lbs! I've also been working out more. I know also that eating this way is helpful for fertility. I was told to start eating a high cholesterol diet with the start of our IVF cycle next week. Has anyone else heard this?

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adiejan, I know I did a high protein diet when I did my IVF cycle. I think it is supposed to help keep ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome from happening. I know I had 18 egg follicles retrieved and my belly was really distended from all the follicles that were growing. Since I ended up getting pregnant from that IVF cycle, the distended belly never really did go away. Good luck with your IVF cycle.


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Hi Everyone!  I hope it is ok if I join you!

We have been TTC since 2009...long, long, story short...

10 failed Clomid cycles, 1st IUI BFP ended in ectopic, 3 more failed IUI's

Now we are preparing for our 1st mini IVF cycle to start next week. I have pcos and hubby is normal.  I have been working so hard to lose weight...no carbs, no dairy and doing everything possible!  Here is to working as hard as possible and hoping!! I am so glad to find this thread right now.  I really hope I can support all you ladies on your roads as well!

What a story! Welcome to the club! Here's sending some positive vibes your way for your IVF cycle:goodvibes


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Whoa @monkeyscience and @adiejan ! I may need to read up on South Beach after all! Thanks!


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julieven - When do you do your day 3 testing?

adiejen - What exactly are you doing for your mini IVF cycle? Are you doing freeze alls? How much meds? (If you don't mind me asking....) Also, I did lots of good fats like avocado during my IVF cycles which turned out pretty well considering. (3 blasts with the 1st cycle, 4 with the second and 3 good embryos with the third. We froze the first 7 blasts and put back the 3 in this last cycle.)

toothfairy- Good luck in the 2ww. My next thing to try is Neupogen. I don't know what else TO try. Hopefully, the Lovenox and Intralipids works for you.

monkeyscience - So do you think you actually ovulated or just still waiting? I checked out your chart, but I always think I can't tell what happened until after the chart is done. I hope your son is feeling better. I'm glad you have a good doc now. I could never go through the long drawn out wait again. I now need serial betas and early u/s. I think the hardest thing about a loss is the shock. By doing the serial betas and early u/s you can see it coming and it really does lessen the impact (at least for me). I'll put up a brief summary of my woes at the bottom.

AFM - Nothing to say about me. Monday is the followup with the embryos copy/D&C doc. So, I'll find out the genetics on the bean then. Tuesday is a planning session with my regular RE for my next cycle.

My long drawn out story so far:
10/05 Married
8/06: Decide to start trying, we got together once that month in my fertile time, pg with DS
4/07: DS born
8/08: While still nursing DS, we decide to try again. In our third month trying we get pg again with DD
5/09: DD born
11/10: We decide to start trying again and while still nursing out DD we get pg in our third month trying.
04/11: At an 11 week u/s we discover a blighted ovum. So it begins.
09/11: Miscarriage #2 at 5 weeks (low and slow beta)
Do all the RPL testing, it's all normal. (So far no one doc has come up with a definitive answer as to what's wrong. There are a lot of guesses, but so far, no ah-ha moment.) And, I've been to a lot of specialists over the years and no one has any answers.
6/12: Get pg with mono amniotic twins. They are in great shape, always measured perfectly, perfect hearbeats.
9/12: At the 13 week u/s there are no heartbeats. D&C and karotype shows 2 perfect girls, 46XX. The docs say the passed from their mono amniotic status alone. (Monoamniotic twins have only a 50% survival rate.)
12/12: Miscarriage #4 at 6 weeks (low and slow beta)
4/13: Miscarriage #5 at 5 weeks (low and slow beta)
6/13: IVF #1. We vitrify 3 high quality blastocysts.
8/13: IVF #2. We vitrify 4 high quality blastocysts.
10/13: IVF #3. We put back 3 perfect day 3 embryos (2 8 cells and a 10 cell, all with no fragmentation)
12/13: Miscarriage #6 at 8 weeks (low and slow betas. Bean was always measuring behind. Heartbeat found once, too slow.)

Married to one of the last good guys left Jim
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Hi all,

 

just came in to update the IVF thread and found your'd all moved!

 

I've just done another round of IVF with another BFN :( plan to move to donor eggs and looking into different clinics and waiting lists.

 

I'm not sure how much time I'll have to keep up with the thread as I'm pretty full on at the mo (I've just gone back to uni and taken on some voluntary work on top of fertility treatments). But I wanted to pop in and say hi.

 

So much luck to everyone.  I'll pop in an do individual posts if I get time.

 

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...Stalking, so I can follow.

 

Monkey - Did you have any testing done with the miscarriage?  I'm just wondering because it seems us PCOS girls tend to have low progesterone.  So that might be something you want you check into next time and find a doctor that would give some progesterone suppositories.

 

TF2B- I'm sorry you are still trying. Hugs

 

Sila - Congrats on your baby.

 

Sourire - ...welll just stalking....and happy for you.

 

Laggie - Good Luck!!!!!

 

NaturallyMO - Secondary Infertility is no fun, but you can beat PCOS!  I had secondary IF and problems with PCOS and I beat it.

 

 

Best of Luck to Everyone!!!!!!!  -


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Wissa - Since I miscarried naturally, no, no testing. I've had my progesterone tested before, and it was great. Plus I didn't miscarry until almost 8 weeks, so I'm pretty sure proceedings
progesterone wasn't the issue. I honestly think it might have been a blighted ovum, since I never passed anything that looked like an embryo.

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How do you keep to a schedule to take supplements? I'm *trying* to take maca, vitex, and (soon) red clover blossoms. I'm not sure when to take what and I'm horrible at remembering.


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WifeofAnt - I used a pill box with a compartment for each day of the week. I counted out all my pills at the beginning of the week and then each day I open that day's compartment and took those pills. When I had a lot of meds that had to be taken at very specific times, I put alarms in my phone for all of them.

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Hi there - joining you all and sending positive thoughts and hugs to each of you. 

 

I am starting my first IVF process in January due to endometriosis, ovarian cysts, a removed left fallopian tube, and extremely irregular ovulation. I just finished three months of Lupron for the endometriosis and am now just waiting for that to clear.  

 

I'm single so I'm using an anonymous donor.

 

I have to dash but look forward to following each of your journeys and wishing all the best to each of you.

 

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Silver - Just saw you here. Sorry about the BFN. I moved on to donor embryos too. Best decision I have made in a long time. I don't know about the UK, but there are some affordable options in the US.


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Anyone heard of well an or have used it for male factor infertility?



Hi all welcome!!!

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WifeofAnt - I used a pill box with a compartment for each day of the week. I counted out all my pills at the beginning of the week and then each day I open that day's compartment and took those pills. When I had a lot of meds that had to be taken at very specific times, I put alarms in my phone for all of them.


I was doing that and then I'd forget to go to the pill container. My schedule was all wacky so the only thing that stayed close to the same was when I woke up but I never wanted to take them ASAP.


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Silver - so sorry about your BFN :-( Glad (but not really) to see you.

Monkey - sorry to see you back - hope it happens quick for you this time around!!! Sorry about the MC :-(

TFTB - Big Hugs. I've been wondering about you.

X - I've been thinking about you.

Milk - how are you?!

Hi to everyone else, and

Welcome to all the new members - this is a great group!!


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AAM : I'll come back for personals, but I wanted to share my D&C results. So I was wrong on all accounts. It was a profoundly genetically abnormal female. Triploidy of maternal origin. 69XXX.

There are some rare cases of recurrent triploidy of maternal origin, but there's no way to know if that's me from this one set of results. I learned triploidy occurs in 2% of all miscarriages across all ages. AMA is NOT a factor in triploidy.

So what does this mean going forward? Well, at least for this pregnancy, it wasn't my uterus that caused the miscarriage! You have no idea how good this makes me feel.

So, even if we do have a recurrent triploidy problem, obviously every egg isn't like that so there's a good chance that if we just keep trying we CAN actually get a take home baby.

Crazy.

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X - does that mean you can test all your frozen embryos and find out which ones are ok? I'm actually pretty surprised only one of your embryos implanted last time considering you transferred 3.


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Sourire- we could, but there are always risks. We would have to thaw, biopsy and revitrify. Anything could go wrong at any one of those steps. It seems to make sense to try everything else first and when I'm out of time (some point in my early 40's) to just put them back one at a time. Either they'll work or they won't. The PGD check will be my uterus. :P

It doesn't bode we'll that we put back 3 and only 1 stuck and it was abnormal, but its not in the least bit surprising. So what did the other 2 look like? There's no way to know. The only thing I know for sure is that for some reason they did not have what it takes to make it to a take home baby, even if they were genetically normal. But that is why docs have no problem putting back 3 3 day embryos in a 38 year old. On average only half are genetically normal and only half of those that ARE genetically normal have what it takes to make it to a take home baby.

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Hi Everyone!

Xerxella- We are planning to do 100mg of clomid cd3-7 then will add antagon and bravelle cd 9 or 10. Then we will continue to monitor follies and take trigger then egg retrieval!  We are doing a fresh cycle so I guess we will see how it goes! What is a freeze all?  I'm glad to hear that it wasn't your uterus that caused the problems for this preg.  What is your plan from here?  It is incredible the technology that we have these days!  I wonder what people 100 years ago would think about all of our conversations on here!!!

 

Lila- thanks for the IVF diet advice!

 

Naturally Mo- Have you looked into a south beachish diet anymore?

 

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Xerxella- ah that is good news about it not being your uterus. Sorry you have to go through this so many times. Thanks for the update!
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@adiejan I have and I'm working with my trainer to come up with a plan incorporating some of it.


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