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#571 of 621 Old 02-19-2014, 12:21 PM - Thread Starter
 
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adiejan - The pregnancy after loss group has a facebook page which I follow (and hope to rejoin someday!) which is really helpful. https://www.facebook.com/groups/154892551282251/ The group is called Hopeful Rainbows. It's very supportive. But, we love having you around here. I always need to hear about people that beat the odds! grouphug.gif

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Morning all - thanks so much for the love smile.gif I was a little sad yesterday but this morning I'm ready to move on... Having great support always helps.
Quick question if the spotting i had was super light AF my temp would have dropped right? Missing a cycle would stess me out right now.
Also if it is egg quality ivf will give a better shot right? As they'll have started growing and either be dudds or good?
Oxford - I'm with you getting monitored is excellent smile.gif then you'll know what's going on...
Adie - always welcome!!
Sorry about the lack of personals I'll be back on form soon
Re stats - one of the first things my doc did is go through the clinics stats for my age and I thought that was quite honest (especially the you're old and need ivf to get back to a 30% chance lol but he's a farmer and tells it straight wink1.gif

me 39, DH 39, one no babies yet due to previous poor health. Trying to make up for it now (TTC since November 2012) At least one confirmed chem.Ivf #1 march 2014 - 6 day 6 blasts, two transferred bfn, 4 frosties in waiting. Ivf #2 may, cancelled, Ivf #3 July... BFP! 15dpo 336 hcg, 17dpo 681 hcg... Scan at 6+4 wks - twins!! Feeling more blessed than words
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Hi ladies! Cheering you guys on dust.gif . Been quite busy here with moving prep and only recently found a little more forum time. This thread really moves!

Big hug2.gifchuord and much love to you doll. This journey takes way too much for some and no where near enough for others.

Hi oxford! wave.gif

So sorry about AF finding you Mo but glad you're doing well smile.gif . I was happy the snow and ice didn't stick around long and that the cities were better prepared this time.

FX and GL this cycle Xerxella! dust.gif

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Our appointment is in early March- maybe the 6th--I let my husband re-schedule it LOL!

 

Hugs everyone, I know this journey is long and not always easy but having the support offered from one another is really helpful.

 

Me and my husband had a bit of a fight about the whole thing last night- he is upset and angry at the entire situation. I totally don't blame him for these feelings. But this fight has helped us open up a bit and try to figure out what we are willing to do (how many cycles we want to try etc.). We are lucky we found out the insurance will cover 80% of the drugs I need for our IVF cycles. But we also have to document/keep really good records/and forward all documents to our lawyer for our ongoing battle for my husband's accident and injury (4 years in April), which I think has sparked more anger within my husband. We feel like we need to justify our decision to have family to the other side's lawyers which is ridiculous. This wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for the car accident that left my husband a paraplegic. We really just want the whole thing settled so we can move on with our life.

I think that has become the story of our lives lately.....waiting.....we have known we are getting moved for my husband's job for 2 years now but still are waiting to find out when *long story, waiting to buy house after the move, waiting to have a family, waiting for appointments (clinic is an 1 1/2 hours away, so careful planning is necessary) etc....I think we both are just tired right now.


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@chuord *hugs*  Temp is related to progesterone, so it usually drops before AF, but if you're on a supplement, it might stay up.  I think the month I supplemented, I saw it drop a bit before AF anyway...

 

@Xerxella yay stats geeks :)

 

@oxford no, I'm a professional stats geek ;)  OK, actually, I'm a "data analyst" which is about 10% stats geek and 90% data herding.  But I've been getting to be a stats geek this week - it's more fun, but it's because my boss' boss needs slides for a presentation, so it's also stressful.   Watching the "eggs baking" is pretty fascinating! I kind of wish everyone got the chance, though certainly without the stress we're getting... wouldn't wish that on... well, most people, anyway.... :irked

 

@tinytina - I consider myself to be an incredibly patient person, and waiting has been one of the hardest parts.  Also, I've found it too easy to sink into the wait and put my whole life on hold - heck, I was doing that before we were TTC!   And it is SO HARD on a relationship, even without the other stresses you have going on.  Sometimes I think it's a wonder that any couple going through this stays together.  If I had my way, couples counseling would be mandatory... in part because I can't bring myself to try to make DH do it with me... :meditate

 

AFM - my u/s and bloodwork were great today - they want me back tomorrow, and we'll almost certainly do the retrieval over the weekend.  I felt weird about asking them for follicle sizes (and I didn't get them all), but somehow saying that I was thinking about an art project seemed to make them think I was less weird for it?  That's got to be a first...  (21 total!)   If anyone wants to try to do any of those ideas, I'm all for it BTW - I think some would make really good "infertility awareness" art, especially in multiples. 

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Hello, I'm a long-time lurker on these boards and have finally come to join in. 

 

My TTC story:

-Married & TTC 8 yrs.

-Me: 28, DH: 29

-Healthy weight/BMI, very nutritious diet, non-smoker

-Never been pregnant/never had BFP

-"Unexplained" IF/possible MF (40% motility highest SA results, but lots of swimmers)

-Done HSG, SIS, Thyroid, bunch of hormone tests I've since forgotten, ALL point to a very healthy me, good egg reserve, clear tubes, fine uterus, etc.

-3 cycles Clomid w TI in Spring 2007 - BFN

-Temp'd for years using FertilityFriend

-Doing IVF through Boston IVF (BIVF) w Dr. Alper & Dr. Lannon (Anyone else use BIVF?)

-Starting stims March 1, 2014!!!!!!! Paying 100% OOP

 

More about us: 

-We have 2 awesome cats

-Me: [Unemployed] Social Studies teacher, substitute teaching last 3 yrs, DH: Computer programmer (software dev)

 

When I FINALLY bring a child home, I hope to:

-Have a natural waterbirth @ home

-BF

-CD

-Cosleep

-Selectively vax

​-Homeschool

 

~~~Thanks & GL to everyone!~~~


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mainebaby - Welcome.gif Thanks for deciding to join us. It's sounds like MDC is the right place for you! When you're spending all of the OOP money on IVF think about how much money you'll save by breastfeeding, cloth diapering and having a birth at home! smile.gif Good luck! What meds are you doing?

Autumnlaughing - Never feel bad about asking for your data. It's your data and your body! smile.gif Besides, how am I supposed to fill out my running chart for each cycle if I don't have all the data! orngtongue.gif

tinytina - hug.gif You don't have an easy road of it. I'm glad insurance is covering a lot of your drugs. That's the #1 expense!

chuord - I think the big benefit of IVF is you get more chances. And, you get more information. So, they'll stimulate you as much as they can and get as many eggs as they can, therefore giving you a chance at finding that golden egg. Plus you'll get info. Maybe your eggs are super tough and need ICSI. Maybe they all look good at day 2 an all fall apart at day 3. Maybe...... They don't know until they get them out and can take a look at them.

AFM - Hopefully I have some early blasts growing in there. Let's see then hatching blast tomorrow and implant on Saturday, so Sunday it should be +, right? orngtongue.gif Maybe Monday... I'll let you all know Monday what the HPT says.... Come on beans....

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Thanks for all the info and the love smile.gif I really appreciate it... I've been taking a little time away to defrag the head/emotions before the hormone crazy starts again - back with personals after the weekend...
I'm still watching and caring ❤️
AF started today - there was a temp drop autumn... X I'm hoping it's one of those issues and we get lucky...
Fx to you ladies waiting!

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Ilovemykiddos - Yeah. That's pretty bad. And with his bad attitude I honestly don't know why you'd stay with him. Unless he's the only one in a reasonable area? If there are others in your area, look them up on sart and pick one data point on sart. Such as your age and births per retrieval. Then pick the one with the highest percentage and just go for a consult. If you want to share your location we can help you. smile.gif (I'm also a stats geek).

 

So are there stats for IUI or just IVF?  Is it safe to assume the stats for IUI are the same for IVF?  I'm sorry so many questions?  

 

What do you think about many follicles and multiples for women of AMA (39 years).

 

Ladies I am thinking of all of you and keeping my finger crossed and toes.  

 

Chuord - I'm sorry AF came.  (Hugs)

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  • Xerxella- Sorry to be a bother but i was wondering where you found all that information on what stage your embryos are at at what time?
  • Ive tried looking but i cant find anything. 

​thank you.

 

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Ilovemykiddos - those stats are for IVF. As far as I know, they don't have to report stats for IUI. But, I think it's safe to assume that if someone is good or bad at IVF they have a similar record for IUI. But that's just an assumption.

Overall, I wouldn't worry about high order multiples in a 39 year old because of the following study: http://www.advancedfertility.com/revmultiplescoh.htm
Overall, I would try to get as many follicles as possible just to find a good one or 2. (I'm 38 and I just did my IUI with 6 mature follicles 16-20. We'll see how that turns out). But I'm just a random person on the Internet and it IS a risk, even if its's small. You have to do what you feel comfortable with.

Tifga - there's tons of websites that show beautiful pictures of embryos. I like this one: http://www.advancedfertility.com/embryos.htm

Overall, a day 1 embryo is 2 cells, a day 2 embryo is 4 cells, a day 3 embryo is 8 cells, day 4 is a morula and day 5 is a blastocyst. Day 6 is a hatching blastocyst. There can be up to a 2 day delay and they can still be viable. Day 5 blasts have a 43%implantation rate, day 6 - 29% implantation rate and day 7 about a 28% implantation rate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23876530/
Which to me is a crying shame that some clinics won't even grow embryos out to day 7. There losing a 27% chance at a baby. But that's a different discussion.

PS. This study found no difference in implantation rate. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2868303/#!po=61.6883

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X- that is a great site for beautiful embies.
@Xerxella you are sooooooo knowledgeable and I
Appreciate having you as a resource!!!! Even when you move on to the graduation thread we will still have tons of questions for you.
I am worrying about everything now. When I have my consultation I about 2 weeks I want to mention being tested for nk cells. Just in case that is not why I did not get pregnant the last 3 times. I just want to make sure my uterus is being" nice" so to speak. But I have read that there is really no correlation on having your blood drawn to see the level of nk cells one has because it's really the cells that are present in the uterine lining. Am I making sense? What do you think?
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Tracy - aw, jeepers. I don't know. I've been to 4 docs about NKCs and gotten 4 different opinions. The first, Dr. Coulam, is a reproductive immunologist. She ran all the loss tests and decided I have elevated NKCs and nothing else wrong with me. She said all I had to do was intralipids and I could hold a pregnancy.

Dr. Kwak-Kim is also a reproductive immunologist. She ran all the tests and determined I DON'T have elevated NKCs. In fact, she says my NKCs are a little low. She says my problem is restricted blood flow to the uterus and some small mildly elevated clotting factors. (Everyone else has also tested all the clotting factors and never found anything elevated). She says I just need Lovenox and low dose prednisone and I'll carry a pregnancy to term.

Dr.Morris, a regular RE, says all the NKC stuff to snake oil. He tested me for some things no one had ever tested before (celiac? Nope. Another clotting factor? Nope.) And said, as evidenced by my last tested fetus and the fact that I've had 2 successful pregnancies of healthy children, I'm just a combination of old/ genetically abnormal eggs and bad luck.

My current RE, Dr. Hirschfeld, said, well, most likely Dr. Morris is right. There is no studies that show elevated NKCs have anything to do with miscarriage. And she's right. There's no studies that prove any of this stuff. But, she tested me for it anyways and my NKCs came back normal. And, she said intralipids is pretty mundane so if you want to do it, we can do it. I did it for my last IVF and my last cycle.

To further muddy the waters, do you remember rcr? She saw Dr. Sher who is a big proponent of NKCs and he said she tested + for them. He treated her throughout her cycles. She did not get a keeper. Later she did donor embryos without intralipids or any other interventions and got her beautiful take home daughter. (You'll have to ask her to clarify the details.)

Lastly, to further muddy my waters, after Dr. Coulam I got a wisdom tooth pulled that had a bad deep cavity. Could that have been pushing a low lying infection into my blood stream causing elevated NKCs and maybe some miscarriages? Since I got it fixed, is that why my NKCs went down or is the whole thing all a bunch of bologna?

The studies that have been done show that the NKCs in the blood do not match the NKCs in the uterus. Also, some docs think that NKCs are actually necessary for implantation and not a bad thig at all.

So, I guess I would think go ahead and test for it. If its elevated and/or you want to then do intralipids.

Maybe.... orngtongue.gif

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@Xerxella thank you. I am pretty much finding inconclusive studies as well. But I will give Rebecca a pm but she is very very busy these days with her baby. You rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Img Xerxella - lol do you research this stuff as your career wink1.gif soo much information!!! It's great! I don't even know what nkc's are, but there's well known correlations between gum health and heart health, (husband is a dentist) also tooth infections can end up affecting the blood - and if left to swell and collect fluid in surrounding areas Can cause airway blockage (swelling throat etc) the more I hear from both natural therapists and dh the more I believe that the body is a piece of supreme art work the way it works, everyone has the same 'bits' yet none of us function exactly the same way... Oh not sure if it will help with pg but have you guys heard of 'oil pulling' it's meant to remove toxins through the gums.
X - any baby dreams or twinges?
Tracey - when are you getting started?
How is everyone?
Afm - started gonal 187.5 yesterday - going for ivf, I love the idea of saved frosties... Also started melatonin and baby asprin (still going with all the supplements) lady night my ovaries were already aching, could be a long month!

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Chuord - I'm sorry :( It seemed so promising this time.  I was rooting for you. You are getting closer...

X - hoping the best for you. Seems like a good cycle.

 

Quick question - anyone know why some people say avoid soy (natural fertility info website is very anti-soy) and some people say soy can improve egg quality and actually help? What should one do to try to produce healthier eggs? My RE said (and it's true) I'm a lucky one because at least I ovulate. That made me believe my eggs can't be part of the problem, but of course it is possible I'm ovulating janky eggs.

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@Xerxella Wow!  You're really knowledgeable on this!

 

@chuord good luck with the Gonal! 

 

We did our retrieval this morning - I was a shaky mess at all the nurses because I don't do well with no breakfast, but the procedure went fine - 13 eggs, but I don't know if that was mature eggs or not (I was only half back when they told me)  I think she said that they were hoping for more like 16 based on follicles, but that it was still a good number.  

 

They ICSI'd them today, and tomorrow we'll hear about the fertilization rates.  This is the part that's totally uncharted territory for us - we've never had any fertilization that we know of, so egg quality, implantation rates etc. are all uncharted.  "No reason not to assume everything is great" is what I hear, and is true, but that's what they told me about getting pregnant in the first place! 

 

I hate to ask when I know you've all probably said before, but I'd love to hear how other people's IVF cycles fared in terms of % fertilized + made it to transfer, if anyone feels like sharing... 


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oh right.. @LittleKind Soy has some natural estrogens in it, which I can imagine being good for some people at some points - I'm allergic, so I avoid it, but not for fertility reasons :)


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Autumnlaughing, thanks. You should hear Adiejan's story of IVF. she's newly pregnant with a little bean that could. Wish you the best of luck! I think 13 eggs is really good, but I have no experience with any of that. 

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@chuord you are so right!! I have been oil pulling for a couple of months and making my own toothpaste!! And I brush my teeth as soon as I wake up as to not swallow all those icky bacteria!!!!!!!!!! Good health does start with the mouth!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, we have our consultation in a couple of weeks and I am feeling really optimistic!!!
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Autumn- great news on the egg retrieval. It sounds like you have quite a few chances there! How long is it before they transfer them? Thanks for asking others about IVF in interested too as we will probably try it at the end of March. I will be watching your story.

Chuord- good to hear you are starting down IVF too, best of luck! How are you coping on the meds? Are they ok apart from sore ovaries?

Mamacats- lovely to hear from you doll!! Good to hear you are still lurking and nice to know things are good. I'm holding out to hear your news.

Xerxella- how are you? I hope there's a little one snuggling in over the weekend. What am exciting time. It must be weird knowing they have actually transferred beautiful babies, come on now and implant!!

Afm it's cd9 over here. I've finished the clomid for this month and my ovaries are aching. Hopefully there are lots of follicles brewing. At my scanning appointment I had lots starting to grow, do hopefully this will be a good month. We have started bd season with a weekend away so that has got things rolling!! ;-)
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Autumn - I'm a lurker here but I can give you some stats from my IVF cycle. I ended up with OHSS so I had a ton of eggs but maybe not the best quality... 31 eggs retrieved, 29 were mature, 19 fertilized (we didn't do ICSI), 8 embryos frozen. I was not allowed to have a fresh transfer due to the OHSS, so we did a freeze all cycle. Of the 8 frozen we've used 4 so far. One did not survive defrosting, and we had 3 single-embryo FETs. 1 FET was a BFN, 1 was a BFP followed by a miscarriage at 6 weeks, and 1 was the baby that I'm pregnant with now.

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Chuord - What's oil pulling? That sounds really interesting. There's NPs out there that talk about ways to cure a cavity mostly with natural oils, but I haven't done the research on it. I would think some things can help an early cavity but once it gets to a certain point I think there's no easy fix. I definitely think poor oral health can lead to a lot of problems. (I'm good about brushing and flossing, but not always getting to checkups). I read a study about gingivitis being tied to miscarriage.

Anyways,,,,, good luck on starting stims!!!! Super exciting! Did they do a baseline u/s and bloodwork?

Little kind - I haven't done any research on this, but I would imagine its because its a phyto estrogen. So if you have low estrogen or low estrogen in balance to your other hormones it could help you. If you're estrogen dominant, then it could hurt your chances. I would think that if you temp you could look at your temps. If they're high all cycle you may benefit from soy. If they're low all cycle you may be estrogen dominant. But that's just me thinking off the top of my head.

Autumn - 13 is great!!!! What's your fertilization report? Hoping to have 13, but 7 or so is more realistic. KUP!!!

Here was my fert reports (I think):
1) 7 visible follicles, 9 eggs, 6 mature, 3 fertilized, but all 3 made it to blastocyst. 2AA and 2AB on day 5 and one 2BB on day 6. Froze all.
2) 13 visible follicles, 10 eggs, 8 mature, 4 fertilized, but all 4 made it to blast on day 6. 2 at 2AA and 2 at 2BB. Froze all.
3) 9 visible follicles, 9 eggs, 7 mature, 4 fertilized, 1 disintegrated on day 2 and the other 3 were transferred on day 3. They were all perfect, 2 at 8 cell, one at 10 cell. It resulted in a BFP, but miscarriage of a chromosonally incompetent bean. Complete triploidy 69XXX.

Tracy - good luck at your consultation in a couple weeks!!!! I'm excited and hopeful for you too!!!!

Oxford - Yeah for being done with Clomid!!!!! Hopefully, you'll start to get O signs soon. Are you doing another doc appointment before O? I did IUI, so I don't know if there are any good ones in there or not!

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Will you guys obsess with me? So last month I tested on 9dpo and the test was completely negative. No doubt about it. I did a trigger last month and a trigger this month. So because I obsess (and the dollar store carries HPTs) I started testing already.

I know the answer is well, we'll see. So, I'll test tomorrow and if it's + I know it's real.

Warning: Falsely Positive Pregnancy Tests Ahead! (Click to show)

Here's where they are so far:


ETA : I know it's positive. I'm just worried that its still the trigger.

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@Sourire + @Xerxella - thank you!  @adiejan had a bit of a different situation.. but somehow the personal stories are reassuring. 

 

The doctor FINALLY called this AM - 10 fertilized!  So that's exciting.  She seemed to think I'd be doing a day 3 transfer, but I think they prefer a day 5, if they look good?  She did say they'd call by 8:30 that day.  Dh can't be here both days..(he works 100 miles away).. I've asked that he take me if it's day 5 (Thursday).  We'll see... 

 

@Sourire - I'm glad to hear that everything is going well now!  Liliana is a beautiful name :)

 

@Xerxella - that's totally obsession worthy - I don't feel like I could make a good call as to which one might be darker, but 8 days seems like a while for the trigger hcg to still be hanging out.  Not that I know... 

 

@chuord I'm curious about oil pulling, too.  And for both you and Oxford - while I wish you weren't sore, it sounds like a good sign!

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Hi ladies... Lots happening here. I've been lurking when I can because we're moving again in a few days and I have to pack everything up by myself in a house with 6 kids. I refuse to pack DHs clothes tho. They can get left here if he doesn't do it. Lol.

Chuord - I was sad for you, but hopefully this will be your cycle.

Mo - I was sad for you too. Like the others said, progesterone of 6 means you most likely did ovulate, but 6 is too low for a pregnancy. Even my controlled, preventing cycles - this is my experience, granted - she wants it above 12, and closer to 20 when I'm on shots and trying. I mentioned before that mine was 4.88 last month, and anything 5 and under is considered non-viable, even thought I most likely conceived. Just thought I'd throw that out there for you, just in case no one mentions how low yours was FOR PREGNANCY.

X - we're in the same place!!

Afm, I thought I was out.... And I may still be, but I've now officially missed my period. My LP has been consistently 16-17 days for most of the last year, so I'm not counting 14 dpo as AF due date, but 17 dpo. I had 7 dpo blood work done 2 Thursdays ago, and Called Tuesday of last week begging for results. I still haven't heard from the d*mn Dr office, and there not open again to Tues. My temp went down for 2 days, so I expected af yesterday or today, but nothing so far. I've tested out the hcg. On Friday morning with fmu, a digital was negative and a Walmart $.88 with the purple sides was a complete squinter. Still there though. The Walmart one on Monday was light, but Def positive. So I'll test again in the morning, if no AF amd well see, I guess...

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Tracey - yay for you doing the oil pulling smile.gif I was slack and gave up (looking to get back to it) I just find even though I'm at home I can only fit in so much routine lol... I have this feeling that by the time your appointment gets here you'll know more than the re wink1.gif
Xerxella - thanks for sharing your ivf stats, it's great to see how it varies from follicles to blasts... Re oil pulling (lol probably best to google) essentially it's taking a good oil like coconut or sunflower - about a spoon full and putting it in your mouth, you use your tongue and suction to 'pull' the oil between your teeth. It pulls the toxins out from under the gums and they get trapped in the oil, do when you spit and rinse after you feel a lot cleaner. Need to do it for 2 mins.
Re the tests - can't wait to see what happens tomorrow wink1.gif it looks promising and I'm fx for you! I'm now confused with the hcg boosters, people generally say it leaves your body around 1000iu per day... My last booster 1500iu was on day 10 and I still had a frer squinter on 16dpo the same day I got a negative blood. I told the re I thought it was another chem, he said it was more likely still the booster... My progesterone at blood test was 44 - would that have been normal for a nothing cycle (with progesterone pessaries) anyway not important just interested lol
Little kind - thanks for the love smile.gif I think autumn and X explained the estrogen / soy thing well - my natural lady said to stay away for now, but we've spent do much time balancing my hormones so don't want to undo it smile.gif
Oxford - my body seems to be adjusting, day 1 of gonal was the worst, ovary pain is still there at times but hasn't kept me awake again... Does anyone get a mild headache from the stims? Fx for you on this cycle - can't wait to see what your next monitoring shows!
Autumn - woohoo!! I would be beside myself if I had 10 that fertilized smile.gif hope that you hear more good news and are keeping your sanity smile.gif bet it's nice to be off the meds smile.gif oh and retrieval did it hurt much? I'm scared of that most of all...
Sour ire - wow 31 eggs, I'm guessing things were very sore for a while there! Can I ask as well ivf ladies how you decided between putting one or two blasts back?
Joyfamamma - waiting to hear what happens... Hoping it's working for you! Maybe you should do blood test?
Afm - cd4, day 3 of gonal... Doing alright, melatonin is such a relaxing med, I've also gone back to taking magnesium supps - the great relaxer and I'm feeling like I'm on holiday... We went to the beach yesterday (I'm in summer in Aus) and after a walk and lunch we took the time to sit /lie in the sea breeze and snooze - so good for the soul! Xerxella I'm assuming my egg retrieval will be similar to yours (given my age) I'm not expecting more than half to grow - but staying objective it's such fascinating stuff!
Hugs to anyone I missed (on my phone) this thread is really exciting right now!

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Thought I'd pop in with my IVF stats just for more info-

First IVF- 12 eggs, 6 mature- ICSI, 5 fertilized- 3 blasts , expanded AA (miscarriage at 10w), expanded BB & early BB (miscarriage at 8w)

Second IVF - 16 eggs, 13 mature- ICSI, 12 fertilized- 6 blasts, expanded AA (chemical), hatchingAA & hatchingAB (failed implantation), hatchingAB (chemical), 2 frozen- expandedBB, earlyBB  

 

We are going to transfer our last 2 once I'm back to regular cycles from this last chemical. I am guessing at this point I have a problem with egg quality. My doctor would like us to do PGD with out next cycle. I am still prayerful that one of our last 2 embryos will be genetically normal and we will have a miracle take home baby. This last miscarriage (chemical, whatever you want to call it, I made it with rising betas to 5 weeks), was a crushing blow as it was a 'perfect' cycle. 10mm lining, intralipids, lovenox, prednisone, baby aspirin, estrogen, progesterone anything we could have done to prevent an autoimmune related miscarriage and it happened anyway. Makes my doctor think it is possibly bad embryos. We have been through a lot our first 2 miscarriages the fetus measured perfectly, yolk sac was not enlarged or oddly shaped, just the sac wasn't growing we we figured it was autoimmune, and now this. So, we will save for PGD while preparing for a final transfer of the remaining embryos from our second IVF. I will continue intralipids and lovenox with my next transfer. 


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Thank tf2b! Wow when you string it all together it's a long haul... I've been thinking about you often and wondering how you were doing... Fx for these last few transfers and that miracle baby... Your determination is amazing xxx

me 39, DH 39, one no babies yet due to previous poor health. Trying to make up for it now (TTC since November 2012) At least one confirmed chem.Ivf #1 march 2014 - 6 day 6 blasts, two transferred bfn, 4 frosties in waiting. Ivf #2 may, cancelled, Ivf #3 July... BFP! 15dpo 336 hcg, 17dpo 681 hcg... Scan at 6+4 wks - twins!! Feeling more blessed than words
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@toothfairy2be oh my!!! You have been through so much since this spring! Hugs to you. I hope theses last two embryos are " the ones" ! Please keep us updated more often . We could all use some of your courage!!!!!!!!!!
chuord[/@ yep, I probably will know more than the re, especially with Xerxella around <img src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/wink1.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" /> I would totally be obsessing over those positive tests. When is your beta again? Chuord it sounds so nice where you are. I am jealous. I live on the oregon coast and it's usually nice but rainy the last week! Glad the melatonin is working for you. I was going to suggest Epsom salt but the mag. Is a bitter. Do you follow wellness mama? I like her a lot.<br /> Okay<br /> Afm hi to all and soon I will remember everyone's cycle!<br /> <br /> My computer or mothering is having issues so excuse the mess of the message.
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