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Hello, just home from retrieval it went well and I'm still sore. We got 10 eggs, so I'm delighted with that!

Tina- so so sorry that you are going through this. Get mad and sad and let your anger out. You have a strong DH by your side and this will work out for your family. Big hugs.

Teamviddy- sorry to hear your news and all the thibgs you now have to process. Take time and space and know that we are here for you.

I agree on the changes to the site, they are rubbish. I too post using the mobile site and it is much clunkier than the old site. I used to be able to flick between the two forums I post and follow using the menu, that's gone now. What a pain. Can they turn off the "improvements"?

Thanks to everyone for your encouragement and calm suggestions when I had a wobble yesterday. I'm so relieved collection is over.
Awesome, glad you are home and rest!!!!! 10 eggs is great!
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I'm sorry @tinytina . Sending hugs and though you will not be able to use your husbands sperm I am sure he will be a wonderful father. At least you will be able to use your eggs and he will be able to see "you" in his and your beautiful children. Using donor eggs a was hard for me at first but I believe in epigenetics and my children will be biologically half my husband and I love him so much that nothing else matters. This is the way the universe is going to grant us another baby so I'm taking it.
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Tinytina - *hugs* So sorry that that didn't go well. I feel like so much of the journey through infertility can be summed up with "I knew it was possible but who thinks it will happen to them?" I'm really glad that hope4light could speak so well to what you must be going through - and I agree, take the time to be angry and sad and grieve, but that in the end, your DH will be a great Dad regardless of the genetics.

Shelley - I don't know if I've had the chance to congratulate you? I'm glad to hear that the ultrasound went well Hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from here on out.

Xerxella - I was on eggshells trying to check in yesterday, too!! I'm SOOO happy to hear that yours went well, too. TWINS!! That deserves the jumping for joy icon

Work is crazy, so I'd better get back to it, but congrats on all the transfers/retrievals as well - this thread is so busy!
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Hey, here is a thread for mobile questions
Mobile Site Feedback Thread
I would have just tagged some of you on the thread but I can't figure how to tag...
Guess just use the @ then type name. Hummm that seems simple

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@Kewpie80 retrieval on Friday? Will you put back blasts or embryos and how many......transfer on Monday.?
Retrieval was last tuesday. Transfer is this sunday. We're planning to put back 2 again.

Me: 33 PCOS Him: 33 vericocele
13 long years of TTC using various methods before the twins finally came - Too much history to list
IVF #1 11 weeks
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IVF #3 BFN and no frosties
IVF #4 BFP!!!! Twins again!

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Before the site goes down...

We have 2 heartbeats each in their own gestational sac. There might have been a 3rd sac that never really formed and that's fine. It explains the wonky numbers. Each measuring perfectly with heartbeats of 120 & 121.

What a relief. I have a lot to say, but more later...

:j oy

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Tintina - I'm so so sorry. I can't imagine what devastation you must be feeling. (hugs)

Me: 33 PCOS Him: 33 vericocele
13 long years of TTC using various methods before the twins finally came - Too much history to list
IVF #1 11 weeks
IVF #2 Liam and Maisie (now 2 years old)
IVF #3 BFN and no frosties
IVF #4 BFP!!!! Twins again!

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Retrieval was last tuesday. Transfer is this sunday. We're planning to put back 2 again.
Sorry, I knew that I just was not sure when you were transferring.
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@tinytina - I'm so sorry!!! @hope4light makes some great points.

@tracyamber - any word on the frosties? Or do you not want to talk about it? How are you feeling? When will you test?

@kewpie80 - Any 3 day update? I'd love to know how they're growing.

@oxford - Yeah for 10 eggs!!!! I can't wait to hear your fertilization report tomorrow.

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@tinytina - I'm so sorry!!! @hope4light makes some great points.

@tracyamber - any word on the frosties? Or do you not want to talk about it? How are you feeling? When will you test?

@kewpie80 - Any 3 day update? I'd love to know how they're growing.

@oxford - Yeah for 10 eggs!!!! I can't wait to hear your fertilization report tomorrow.
I'm driving myself crazy about when to test. I was just reading a couple of polls of when people tested and got their first bfp from a blast transfer. The average seems to be 5 days past. Do I dare?
We have 19 frosties on ice and transferred 2 fresh. I just kept forgetting to answer your question.

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Tina - hugs! I'm guessing you already tried medicating dh before he test? (My knowledge is limited, I just heard they do use hormones on guys) I think hope4lights story is beautiful, it will be ok in the end... Right now I'm with the others let those emotions out - it feels healthy and makes you heal. (I should know I've been doing it a lot!)
Oxford - congrats on 10! Rest up and relax...
Tracy - how's that bed rest going? I'm with X any chance of a freeze report?
Kewpie - you are always so calm through the ivf process, how are you doing? Fx for really good blasts.
Xerxella - totally agree, all options are gone and it's no longer a pleasure to use... I even wondered if I'd bother this morning - lol except I love getting everyone's news
Has it sunk in yet? How's dh taking the news? So wishing both you and shell a happy uneventful 9 months!
Hi SKJ! How's motherhood going?
Afm - more cheerful today, dh keeps telling me 'it's just one more month' well it'll probably be two... Unless I can slip a natural bfp in there lol. But we can keep going. Over the achy ovaries, the migraines and queasy tummy though!
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Boots- I have pcos and I took clomid for 4 months. On when to take it day 3 or day 5, I'm not sure enough is known. You read some places that day3 gives higher quantity and day5 start gives higher quality, but I'm not too sure. It seems to be down to individual doctor choice and I think either will be fine. I'm concerned that they are not tracking your responses with the ultrasound. Can you get them to monitor you? I definitely would not increase the dosage without knowing your response on a lower dose. I also took 50mg and I produced two follicles which both ovulated so clomid seemed to work on me, although I still didn't get pregnant. Watch out for the hormone mood swings. "Clomid rage" does exist! I wasn't as bad as that, but I was so irritable with poor darling husband and felt utterly depressed and hopeless too! I hope it doesn't happen for you but at least you will recognise the cause if you feel grumpy!!
Good luck. Finally, forgive me if this is uninvited, if you do choose to lose a few pounds that has shown to be astonishingly effective for women with pcos it seems to kick start and rebalance the hormones naturally even just a couple of pounds. I have my fingers crossed for you that you find the right re to give you some good care and support. And the clomid works- there are a lot of clomid babies out there!!
Oxford, thanks for your thoughts about Clomid. I have heard the same thing about a little weight loss with PCOS and I'm trying, no worries. I was a BEAST this month on clomid. The cycle I conceived my son I was working full time and I guess too busy to notice? That definitely worries me about going up in dose, too.


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Boots - My understanding is that if you ovulate on one dose of clomid, there is no benefit in increasing the dose. So, if you track your cycle and you ovulate, I don't think there's any benefit in increasing the dose. I think that's the standard of care. (I would definitely recommend getting a new doc...). As far as 3-7 or 5-9, I don't think there's any difference. The only thing clomid can help you do is ovulate. Once that's accomplished, more clomid only hurts you (your lining, your cervical mucous, etc). Good luck to you!
Thanks, I'm starting to get it. I totally dropped the ball on temping this month, UGH. So I have no indication of O except some EWCM which is sort of neither here nor there, because I always had that in unsucessful cycles, too. No real cramping. Totally agree I need a new doc!

I'm about 5 DPO now and I'm not chock full o' pregnancy symptoms, but that doesn't mean much. My BFP was a huge surprise after months of being convinced I was and disappointed.

I am really not sure how I'll move forward if not pregnant this cycle. I don't want to go up in clomid dose but I also am not sure that I want to go to a RE yet, financially. I don't think our insurance will cover anything, not even sure if it would cover an office visit for infertility-- part of the reason I went with an OB to start. I am not really understanding if doing unmonitored clomid is likely to be super dangerous or just it's way better to be monitored. I know from my research it's not best practices.

@teamviddy , your username sounds so familiar. Were you ever in our TTC #1 in our 30s Bajingo thread. Well, I DO have MTHFR too, but I can't really remember if I'm homo or heterozygous, I think hetero. I didn't get into it when TTC, but I realized my mom had it and I should be tested when I was pregnant. They sent me to a genetic specialist and she basically didn't say much. What they did was test my homocystine levels to see if they were high. My mom definitely has high levels and clotting issues. I'd never had anything like that and my levels came back fine, so it became a non-issue in the pregnancy. There is SO much out there about MTHFR and I don't know how much if it is quackery. I am currently taking l-methyl folate just to be safe, and because it can supposedly help with mood for those with MTHFR. I wish I could be more helpful but feel free to ask any more questions. Have you seen something like 40% of the population has this mutation in some form?

There's a lot of exciting stuff going on in this thread. I am not familiar with a lot of the IVF terms so I'm a little lost, but I will keep reading and sending all of you my good thoughts. Even as a mother I have never forgotten the way infertility changed me and I always keep those struggling in my thoughts.

@NaturallyMo you can move me to waiting to know!
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TWINS!
EDD 2/15/2015
thrilled to welcome #1 after 17 months of ttc, 1 round of Clomid

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Im glad you are feeling a bit better. Your dh is right it is only a month or so and it is amazing how time flies. I'm sorry your cycle was cancelled but I guess the universe had another plan. Maybe you will get pregnant naturally!!!!!'just thinking about you lady and wanted to stop by and say hello. And if you missed my freeze report 19 were frozen so....
Okay good night or I should say, good day
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@kewpie80 - Any 3 day update? I'd love to know how they're growing.

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1 8 cell
2 7 cell
4 6 cell
3 5 cell
1 4 cell
2 3 cell

Not quite as good as I had hoped, but they're all still growing.
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I'm so excited for all the good news going around this thread! Sending majorly good vibes to all you lovely ladies! Huge hugs to Tina! <3

Our little miracles are here!!joy.gif
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@tracyamber - I would totally test at 5 dp5dt. But, I'm totally bad like that. I had a squinted at 4dp5dt and at 5dp5dt it was clear as a bell. So, I'd start testing at 3dp5dt, so you can watch the line get darker.

@kewpie80 - so exciting! I can't believe transfer is tomorrow!!! Will they push it to day 6 if there are no blasts on day 5? With my 2nd cycle I had no blasts on day 5, but all 4 went to blast on day 6. (It was a freeze all cycle, but I don't know if they would've done a day 6 transfer?).

@iixivboots - I would think you'd be able to find a different OB who could still help you with the infertility stuff. "They" generally say 3-6 cycles of clomid before moving on. Didn't our very own @NaturallyMo get pregnant on her 3rd cycle of clomid?

@chuord - Hugs to you. I hope things start settling down and you feel better soon.

and to everyone else
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Ladies, I need your help and expertise.

The hospital just phoned to say of my 10 eggs they retrieved, 5 were mature and none of them fertilised. I'm devastated and so disappointed. I really thought this could be our turn to get pregnant. I'm gutted.

The embryologist said that the sperm appeared normal, the eggs were mature it just didn't happen. It occurs in 10% of cases and they don't know why. I asked if there was any testing they could do and they said no. Try said icsi might work to insert the sperm in the egg.

I need your help. Does anyone know anything about fertilisation not happening?

Should I stop the progesterone now? Or will that mess up my period and cycle? As I had the short protocol I am only on cd13.

Thank you for your advice, right now I need it :-(
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Hello everyone,

Hating the new format- much less user friendly. These long pages to scroll through suck and the @ button isn't working for me.

Thanks for the advice/information and comforting words. I know we all have had such a rocky journey and I appreciate everything each and everyone of you has said. I appreciate your kindness and support. I am sorry for being so negative and for complaining/whining.

Trying to figure out if its a better option to go IUI vs. IVF. I know we have an appointment to discuss it on Thursday but I want to have an idea beforehand. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. I won't bore you with it all now but I might need to bounce some ideas off of you all later.

Thanks for the information/story hope4light. It gives me hope. I am trying to be rational. LOL! I definitely want to find my rainbow. At the end of the day we still want and need to be parents and that hasn't changed.

Hello and welcome teamviddy. Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I hope you definitely get a second opinion. The internet has certainly allowed us access to alot more information- not always a good thing.

Yeah oxford! Glad you got 10 eggs. Get some rest dear. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

Hi tracyamber. I actually am feeling guilty that our kids will be biologically mine. I feel like it isn't fair to him that they will be mine and not his. I struggle alot with guilt. Thanks for providing a different perspective though.

Hi autumnlaughing, hope work is going well. Thanks for your reassuring words.

Good luck on your transfer kewpie80. Thanks for your kind words. Stay positive for growth!

Thanks Xerxella. I appreciate you taking time to acknowledging what I am going through. You deserve some positivity.

Thanks chuord. Men with spinal cord injuries frequently have problems with this, so it isn't the most shocking but we all believe it won't be us. Glad your husband is so positive too. I know a month or two seems like forever. I just want to get the show on the road. I hate waiting.

Hi iixivboots, hope things work out for you this cycle dear.

Thanks Tear78

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Do you process with your husband? Tell him how you feel about if your children are not biologically his. No need to feel guilty.!you should not feel guilty. You may be surprise at some of the answers and words he has to say. There are lots of books out there to to wrap your brains around the idea.'i will come back a post later. Again I'm sorry. This is your journey and we all have one and someday you will look back at it and say" what the hell?" And be surrounded by your beautiful family that both you could not love any more. ( hugs)

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I do not know. I'm am sorry sorry and sending you hugs and am positive that this can be remedied, if not this cycle next cycle. We had ICSI with our miracle baby. Hugs hugs
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@Xerxella
Yesterday I swear I had something that looked like implantation bleeding. I'm so scared though I just partially think I'm over analyzing. Then last night I woke at 2 with cramps so bad I thought I was going to bleed and had to go sit on the toilet( tmi) then it was gone. It hard to say how long it lasted as I was awakened and was in a fog and it was happening while I was sleeping. With my one and only sone I had the same thing and was sure it was implantation cramps. This is driving me CrAZy!
If mu just implanted this wee morning hour do you still think I could test on day five? Or maybe I should bump it up to day6.
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@tinytina , I am so sorry to hear the testicular aspiration procedures found nothing.

@teamviddy I remember you from th Bajingo 30 somethings thread and ( @iixivboots too ) hope you are able to find the right protocol for your infertility issues.

@oxford we used icsi because of DH 's ultra low sperm count and almost all the eggs fertilized. Sometimes sperm aren't able to penetrate the egg like the should but make great babies once they are in.
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Oxford- I'm so sorry. After all you did to get to retrieval that's such a letdown. We also did ICSI with all of our cycles. It's an added expense but knowing what you do now, it's worth it. You can prob stop the progesterone at this point. Your ovaries should still make enough to have a normal luteal phase.

Tracyamber- how exciting! It does sound like implantation cramps to me!! Are you 3 or 4 days past transfer now?

Tinytina- I'm glad that hope4light came around & could offer some insight. There is a definite grieving process but I think when you come around & then you see your beautiful baby, genetics will fade away.

Kewpie - Good luck tomorrow. Sounds like you've got a couple with a good start! Can't wait to hear how things look tomorrow!

Xerxella- So happy for you & so relieved to see two little people in there!

Chuord- thinking of you. The days go by slowly but the months go by quickly.

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Thanks ladies I'm finally starting to come out of my slump and be my happy self again. All the physical pain really didn't help any.
Oxford - I said it on the other thread - but huge hugs lady xxx
Tracy - thanks, for all the love so how is the bed rest going? 19 frozen - woohooo!!! That is great, any future babies for you are nothing but fet
I'm really excited about your cramping too - sounds very positive, time for distractions before you get too stressed lol. Fx it's happening!!!
Kewpie - they are all still growing, and who knows who will catch up! Last cycle I got 12, they all fertilized and 6 went to blast, and yes we did a day 6 transfer and froze 4. So Xerxella - lol all those things you wondered about happened to me... Fx kewpie that you get a good amount!
Xerxella - I would love to know how you're processing, but understand if you don't want to share.
Tina - I agree with Tracy, the more you chat the emotions through together the better you'll feel. Sounds like your dh is a very brave man and has already come to terms with it.
Tootfairy - what dpt are you, how are you traveling? I hope you have enough distractions... Thanks for the thoughts and so fx for you!
Sorry for those I'm missing, stupid new site. My parents are here for a visit, so that is making me feel loved (they know about all the ivf stuff) also although I'm eating healthily I'm adding in foids that nurture my soul as well (still healthy where possible) it's like a warm glow inside when I eat it lol... Hugs everyone and sending you calm and zen for the waiting xxx
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3dp5dt
Will you test on Sunday? How are you feeling? What have you been doing to stay distracted??
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@oxford - I'm so sorry. I've had about 50% fertilization in the past. This last cycle was the first time I had great fertilization. I second the ICSI recommendation. Did they attempt rescue ICSI? (It's where once they realize fertilization didn't occur, they try to ICSI the embryos.) We had no indication of a need for it, but my clinic basically does it automatically. No extra charge. In your WTF appointment with the doc, you'll also want to discuss a protocol change too. There's no reason for half of your eggs to be immature except maybe they triggered you too early. What were your follicle sizes?

@tracyamber - I'd test in the morning, but I'm bad like that and you probably shouldn't listen to me. But, if implantation was last night you'll get a + on a FRER tomorrow morning for sure. So is tomorrow 4dp5dt? Totally possible to get a +. Also possible to get a - and your + on Monday. Be prepared.

@tinytina - you could definitely consider a natural cycle or a low stim cycle IUI. It would save you a ton of money and you could plan to try it for 3 or whatever cycles before trying something different. I would think it's be worth a shot.

@kewpie80 - Good luck tomorrow. I'll be thinking about you!

@chuord - I'm glad you're feeling better day by day. See below to answer your question.

AFM - We're just even keel. As DH said, after everything the highs are lower and the lows are higher. We say a lot of "if we're luckies" and "if things work out" and "if nothing else pops up". It seems all of our conversations have qualifiers.

An example of how rough things are: When I saw twins, my first thought was, "Well, at least there's a spare in case one doesn't make it. Maybe all won't be lost."
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Were you ever in our TTC #1 in our 30s Bajingo thread. There is SO much out there about MTHFR and I don't know how much if it is quackery.
Yes, yes and yes. I was in the Bajingo thread... Kind of dropped off after my first MC because it was too much of a bummer. And YES there is SO much quackery. The weird thing is that people attribute MTHFR mutations to so many different ailments and the second people start talking about toxins and infrared saunas in a certain way it raises my hackles (I am pretty crunchy but I also pubmed . But when I read the stories of people TTC with the homozygous MTHFR mutation they sound SO much like mine. And I have talked to people who went on a vitamin/baby aspirin regimen after discovering they are homozygous and were able to get pregnant and stay pregnant with blood thinners, when they weren't before. I can't help but think there's something behind it.

Hi Lilac!

This thread moves so fast! We are also foster parents and are about to take on a child for a little while so I probably won't be back for a while.. We are supposed to take the next cycle off from TTC to get my folate levels up as well.
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I tried to post early but it went out into the ether...
BFN today at 12dpo (10dp2dt) so I'm out. I've done this enough times to know when it's game over. I'm not sure when we will try again.
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@toothfairy2be - I'm so sorry.
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oxford - I'm so sorry. We've had REALLY good luck with ICSI.

Tinytina- I agree. This new format is awful IMO. I have the hardest time finding this thread now. I had to go back through past emails to find it.

Toothfairy - SO sorry (hug)

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