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Dena's Avatar Dena 01:39 AM 08-08-2006
Yeah, we just went away for the weekend (my 20 year high school reunion! Yipes! ), and as you know, eating "right" on the road can be super hard. I did continue to stay away from dairy pretty much, and did not drink alcohol or coffee, but the sugar, oh, the sugar!

Well, at least I enjoyed mysef.

Getting back on track this week...

Willzmama's Avatar Willzmama 12:13 AM 08-09-2006
I've gone to an acupuncturist twice ($140 first 2-hour appointment, $70 after that). She suggested that she could make up an herb concoction for me, a powder to mix with water and drink twice daily. Here's what's in it:

Panax ginseng, white ginseng root, ren shen, 6

Astragalus membranacues, root, huang qi, 9

Actractylodis macrocephala, rhizome, bai zhu, 9

Poria cocos, sclerotium, fu ling, 9

Glycyrhriza uralensis, licorice root, gan cao, 6

Ziziphus spinosa, sour jujube seed, suan zao ren, 6

Angelica sinensis, root, dang gui, 6

Aucklandia lappa, root, mu xiang, 4

Dioscorea opposita, rhizome, shan yao, 9

Schizandra chinensis, fruit, wu wei zi, 9

Morinda officinalis, root, ba ji tian, 4

Citrus reticulate, tangerine peel, chen pi, 4

Zingiber officinale, ginger root, sheng jiang, 2

I looked up all but two of these to see what they are for. It's so intereresting! I can't afford to keep getting the acupuncture treatments but I LOVE how I feel on the herbs! I'm sleeping better, or it is easier for me to fall asleep, anyway.
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 09:30 AM 08-09-2006
Astrid- I would have binged too.

Dena- Travel is hard. I saw on another thread you are gearing up for very exciting things!

Willzmama- That sounds great!

fibre_artist- Happy to have you here. The journey of fertility is a strange one, but it sounds like things are going in the right direction for you.

I've been cheating badly lately- its so hard to be good during AF! However, once again I can tell that my menses are improved (I'll spare you the TMI), unfortuntately I just can't seem to get my LP to lengthen. I've been doing pretty good with the no dairy and no wheat (sugar is hard), so I've been trying to add in foods to support other issues, however a lot of them are raw fruits- so not sure if that is interuppting my spleen progress.... I wish this was a little more clear cut. I should do accupuncture, but can't seem to make myself right now- maybe I'll get to it eventually.
lesliesara63's Avatar lesliesara63 07:17 PM 08-09-2006
Laura I've been cheating too But I am being really good about taking my nasty supplements.
Dena's Avatar Dena 07:36 PM 08-09-2006

As I understand it, raw fruits are ok, it is raw vegetables that are hard on the spleen.

Also, I talked to my acupuncturist today about energetically cold foods. He said that the energy of a food can be modified depending on what you eat with it or how it is prepared. For instance, spinach as a raw vegetable is energetically cold, but if it is baked or stir-fried (warming preparation techniques), it would be ok to eat. Also, if it is balanced with a warming food, such as meat, a small amount may be ok (this applies to soy, too.). He said that steaming is neutral, so that alone would not change the energy of a food.

I am not sure I understand all of this, but that much at least was somewhat comforting, as it expands my list of foods a little!

Oh, and he said that pickles in small amounts would be ok, as the vinegar brine changes the cold nature of the cucumber, and vinegar is an astringent, and is actually good in small quantities. So I can eat my peanut butter and pickle sandwiches without guilt!
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 07:39 PM 08-09-2006
Thanks for the clarification Dena!
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 12:42 AM 08-13-2006
I tried sea vegetable chips today. I remember seeing seaweed and algea on one of the lists of things good to eat. I stood in Wild Oats today and looked at the seaweed and felt there was no chance I could cook it right- so I went with the chips that taste like someone put finely chopped broccili in a rice cake. Not bad, not great either, tastes fine with hummas. Anyway- anyone else eating seaweed or algea and have advice on how to prepare it???
Dena's Avatar Dena 02:28 PM 08-13-2006
No, I'm sure it would be good for me, but, well, ugh.

But you might try one of the internet recipe sites - I like and Not sure if they would have anything, but worth a look. Good luck!
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 02:44 PM 08-13-2006
Thanks, Dena- good idea. To be honest though, even if I had a recipe, I'm not sure I'm brave enough to do it. lol
CorbinsMama's Avatar CorbinsMama 03:29 PM 08-13-2006
I'm not sure what kind of seaweed should be eaten, but if you go to a good Japanese restaurant and get the hijiki salad, it's deelish! It's a fine, black seaweed that's in little shreds.
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 03:33 PM 08-13-2006
That sounds really neat, Megan.
noorjahan's Avatar noorjahan 10:32 PM 08-17-2006
I want to say a quick hi to you all! I was reading this thread and got so interested in the obook that I ordered and it and just got it 2 days ago! I'm really loving this book-exactly what I needed at the right moment.

We started ttc from last cycle. I always had regular cycle 30-35 days but for the last 2 cycles my cds were 80+! I'm not sure what was going on except that I knew I have gained *quite* some weight : I'm having such problem ovulating and then last cycle my LP was 10days (yikes)!

I am just liking this book so much that I don't even think someone needs to be infertile to read it, just about anyone can get great help from this vast info!!

My diagnosis was Spleen Qi deficiency, Blood Deficiency (at my last annual blood test showed I've anemia even though in the book it says blood def isn't related to anemia), and Blood Statis.

I'll post later what are the things that I'm going to do different, already started few. I'm also interested in aucupuncture, I never had it.

Nice thread!
croleRN's Avatar croleRN 11:44 PM 09-01-2006
I went to the bookstore to peruse the book & possibly buy it - they were out.
Dena's Avatar Dena 02:31 AM 09-02-2006
Try your library. I was able to find a copy there. Also, I know it is available on Amazon.
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 11:28 AM 09-02-2006
And I believe the price on Amazon was better than my bookstore. If the library doesn't have it.
Dena's Avatar Dena 02:45 AM 09-04-2006
We went to our local Costco the other day and they have the Del Monte Gold pineapple (the super sweet kind) for $2.99 each!! AND, you can buy just one at a time - not five or some ridiculous Costco number!

They are normally $5 a piece at our local grocery stores, so that looked like a pretty good buy to me!

We bought two - one for now and one for next week. Planning to go back for another. Whatever works, right?

Just thought I'd share...
croleRN's Avatar croleRN 10:33 PM 09-05-2006
Just waiting....I have mine ordered!
croleRN's Avatar croleRN 05:25 PM 09-13-2006
Ok, got mine...but having a little difficulty w/ the diagnosis. Nothing significant;y stands out - a little this & a little that. So then what?

Dena's Avatar Dena 05:37 PM 09-13-2006
That was how I was too. I belive somewhere she says if you have more than 25-30 percent of the answers in one category, you should treat for that category. I ended up with three - Kidney Yin, Kidney Yang, and Spleen, which my acupuncturist confirmed. I also had some symptoms in other categories, but only one or two, not enough to be considered a problem.

Hope that helps!
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 02:07 PM 09-14-2006
Heather- I'd start with whichever one seems to have the largest percentage of yes answers, and do what she suggests for those that you feel you can handle. I personally have made my diet changes gradually, so I wouldn't get too overwhelmed trying to fix everything at once.
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 02:10 PM 09-14-2006
On the topic of me- I really believe that my cycles have improved in lots of ways since making my diet changes. I've now been working on this diet for 3 full months, my cycle is just a little longer, my symptoms have decreased, AF is heavier, and i have SO much more energy.

However, I'm impatient. The book says that for my specific issues, clomid might be of help (it does say it isn't for everyone, which I appreciate), so dh and I are trying clomid this cycle. I took my first one today!
Dena's Avatar Dena 03:12 PM 09-14-2006
Oooh, Laura!! Hoping for some good news from you soon!!
mamamerle's Avatar mamamerle 01:07 AM 10-27-2006
I got the book last week and have been wading through it. It's a little confusing now, but I'm hoping it makes more sense the second time around.

How are you ladies doing with your diet changes?
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 01:18 PM 10-27-2006
I'm still basically doing the diet and I really feel better for it. But I took Clomid (as I said the book said it would be good for me) and now I'm pg! Due in June. Got pg the first cycle on it after doing the diet for 4 cycles which I think helped prep my body a lot.
CorbinsMama's Avatar CorbinsMama 02:52 PM 10-27-2006
That's fantastic news, Laura!!!! Good for you!!
OTMomma's Avatar OTMomma 07:29 PM 10-27-2006
Dena's Avatar Dena 04:24 PM 11-02-2006
Just wanted to chime in here... congrats again Laura on your BFP!

No such news for us yet, but the diet changes we have made have been fabulous. Cutting out white flour in particular seems to be huge for me, especially for my IBD, which shows no symptoms when I eat on my new regimine! Yay! It is likely I could still conceive without the diet changes, as we are primarily dealing with male factor IF, but I feel so much better and have so much more energy, it is defeinitely worth it. I do miss my coffee, though... and have to confess I have splurged and treated myself to a couple of soy lattes - I figure once in a while won't hurt...

Also, I just found this receipe for sugar free, wheat free apple pie - and it looks YUMMY! We have a bumper crop on our apple tree, so I will have to try this this weekend, but I had to share right away:

Apple Pie (Raw)

Almond Crust
2 1/4 cups ground almonds
3/4 cup pitted medjool dates, unsoaked
1/4 teaspoon salt
Process all the ingredients in a food processor until it resembles coarse crumbs and begins to stick together. Don't overprocess. Distribute evenly over the bottom and along the sides of a 9-inch pie pan and press firmly, especially where the bottom of the pan joins the sides. Place in the freezer for at least 15 minutes.

Apple Pie Filling

2 apples, peeled and thinly sliced 1/2 cup pitted medjool dates, soaked
3 tablespoons fresh lemon juice 1/2 cup raisins, soaked
2 apples, peeled and chopped 1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon

Toss the sliced apples with 2 tablespoons of the lemon juice and set aside. Place the chopped apples, dates, raisins, cinnamon, and remaining 1 tablespoon of lemon juice in a food processor and process until smooth. Remove and mix with the sliced apples.

Remove the crust from the freezer. Pour in the apple filling and press down with a rubber spatula. Chill for at least 2 hours before serving. Bring to room temperature, or warm in a slow oven (heat to 200 degress, turn off, and slip in pie for 15 minutes) or 105-degree dehydrator (for 30 minutes).
fibre_artist's Avatar fibre_artist 12:18 AM 11-12-2006
In Sept I spontaneously decided to drastically reduce dairy. I had only gone dairy free once before (6 years ago for 6-8 months), and it was horribly difficult. I always wanted yogurt and cheese. This time, I just went with my whims and I've only had about 5-10 servings in the last two months!

But I've dropped a lot of weight. I'm now 5-7lbs shy of "underweight" by BMI standards, and I don't have a fine bone structure. Kinda freaked about that. I'm paying more attention to making sure I get a full lunch and not just a snack, and I don't feel like adding regular dairy back again - but I haven't been this light since high school - and that was a long, long time ago!

Not sure it's making a difference anyway - Sept-Oct was my longest cycle ever, and this one is shaping up to be at least as long (CD25 and no O yet). I was doing much better in the summer.
SuperKitten's Avatar SuperKitten 06:53 PM 04-21-2007
Is anyone still following this book? I got a copy a few days ago and have Kidney Yang deficiency, Spleen Qi and dampness. I see that a lot of people who used to post in this thread have gone on to get pregnant, so that is really encouraging to me
JunipersMom's Avatar JunipersMom 01:31 AM 04-23-2007
Since it seems to have worked for some - anyone pg wanna lend out the book?
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