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The best thing that you can do is to start charting. Have you read Taking Charge of Your Fertility? By charting, and learning to read your own body and fertility signs, you will have a much greater awareness of anything that might not be "right". You will be able to tell if you have fertile cervical fluid, you can confirm ovulation by temperature rise, you can determine the length of your luteal phase to see if there is a problem there. By combining charting with opks, you will have even more information. I chart, and every cycle I have definite fertility signs followed by a definite temp shift followed by a very predictable lp, but I wasn't ovulating every cycle. I only found this out by combining my charts with opks. This way, if you aren't able to conceive on your own, you will have that much more info to take into your dr.

You can also use preseed, a sperm friendly lubricant. An SA is really not that expensive, maybe around $100 depending on your area.

I think it's normal to start worrying when you've been trying for 3,4,5 months. I know I did, and I remember feeling a little frantic about it. Now it's been almost 3.5yrs of ttc#2, and I wish I had more aggressively pursued dx and treatment sooner. Of course, not everyone who's not pg within the first few cycles will end up having fertility problems, and hopefully you won't have to endure what many of us here have gone through.
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Four months is maybe a little early to suspect infertility if you have NOT been charting. I agree with the PP that your first step is to read Taking Charge of Your Fertility and make sure you are TTC at the optimal times. Typically a woman may be fertile only 2-4 days a month depending on a few different factors. For us, the first two cycles when we WANTED to TTC, didn't work out because of travel/work separation and then having guests at our house (I won't do it with an adult guest in the next room ). So we could have done it every single night for the rest of those two months and still not got pregnant, because we missed my ovulation both times. On our third cycle we were home and relaxed and no one was visiting when I ovulated, we DTD, and our son was conceived.

If you have already been charting and know for certain that you have been intimate on your most fertile days, then I think 4 months of cycles is NOT premature for doing some initial exploring, like for example a SA. It's inexpensive and lets you begin ruling things out.

From what I understand, this is basically what a fertility specialist would start out telling you anyway -- figure out when you're ovulating and make sure you're DTD at that time. Before doing any other kind of testing. Might as well save your money/time on getting that piece of advice since all the information you need is out there already.
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At your age, I don't believe a doc would do any infertility testing until you'd been trying for a year.

I agree with the recommendation for Taking Charge of Your Fertility. If you aren't already, charting based on what's outlined in the book will give you some information.

Are your cycles regular? Do you have fertile cervical mucous?

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Thanks for the advice ladies.

I have already been charting, and I have read TCOYF. I've been tracking my cycle lengths and some symptoms for almost 2 years now, but I didn't know about checking for fertility signs then. I used OPKs for two cycles, and temped one cycle. However, I mistakenly took Vitex one cycle when I didn't need it and that totally screwed everything up during the cycle I was temping.

I was really stressed out and confused by all the "symptoms" I had that cycle, and my husband blamed it on "obsessing". So he asked me to stop temping and using OPKs, and I did. I know that he won't want me to start that again no matter how much I beg and plead, so my only option is to keep tracking CM and CP.

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This is the kind of advice I wouldn't give unless asked, but you asked. Let go. I know it's hard. Women of this generation are used to getting what we want if we want it bad enough. Concieving is not one of those things. "Obsessing" is not going to help.

However, I agree with the pp, with the added advice of losing some weight if you are overweight (this is what I am currently working on, so it's on my mind). Also, I wish I had sent my dh for a SA earlier, it is cheap and painless and the tests done on me were.... not.

Charting and knowing your o day are so important, but so is being connected as a couple and also keeping sperm production up there (it is best to wait 2-3days, but not more than 5). So get intimate 2 or 3 times a week (which might also help with the "letting go" and not obsessing part). Good luck to you.

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If your dh is against temping, how willing is he going to be to have a SA done?

OPKs don't necessarily provide good information (TCOYF talks about why). Your cycle length only tells you part of the picture (and not the important part of when did you ovulate?).

I truly would encourage you to do some cycles monitoring CF and CP, if temping is out of the question. Monitor when your CF changes from EWCM to creamy/sticky (which typically marks the date of ovulation). Get a sense for how long your post-luteal phase is. If you do decide to pursue testing, this is valuable information to be able to tell your doctor.

I hope this doesn't sound patronizing, but you're so young and you've only just begun ttc. Testing opens up a whole can of worms and interventions when I really think you don't have enough information to warrant any of that yet.

Docs may seem like the magical solution, but believe me, a lot of them are idiots. The whole testing process can bring huge stress and worry. Let alone the stress of finding a doc who knows what the h*ll they're talking about. And if you're truly interested in pursuing infertility testing, you want to be working with a reproductive endocrinologist (RE). I don' t know how your insurance handles it but a lot of them require a referral from your doc before they will pay for a specialist.

Also, the most common first level of intervention is clomid. And again, it just seems way to premature to do something like that in my opinion.

As someone who's just arrived at the 4 year ttc mark, I really would encourage you to take a deep breath and give it a little bit more time before opening Pandora's box.

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Thanks again for the advice guys. I do already check CP & CM, and I know all about the changes in it & have a pretty good idea of when I ovulate now.

My husband already said he wouldn't object to getting an SA done, whether it's over-the-counter, or at a doctor's office. He just doesn't like the temping for some reason and he's very stubborn about it.

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I would agree with those that advised you to track your own cycles and wait a little while. If you do say you've been trying for over a year, I've found that doctors do jump right into the medication and intervention route, which can screw up perfectly normal cycles. Also, I must admit that lying doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's because I did have to wait a year before getting help even though I wasn't able to cycle (have af) at all in that year. Hence, we knew there was no chance of conceiving, but still had to wait. The one thing I did learn from my journey was not to structure my life around ttc. I turned down too many opportunities because I was always worried that I would be pregnant when the time came. I wish I had just lived my life to the fullest and dealt with it when it came. I do know it is hard to wait.

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The one thing I did learn from my journey was not to structure my life around ttc. I turned down too many opportunities because I was always worried that I would be pregnant when the time came. I wish I had just lived my life to the fullest and dealt with it when it came. I do know it is hard to wait.
Wow. Thank you for posting this. It's just what I needed to hear today.
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The one thing I did learn from my journey was not to structure my life around ttc. I turned down too many opportunities because I was always worried that I would be pregnant when the time came. I wish I had just lived my life to the fullest and dealt with it when it came. I do know it is hard to wait.

YES! Even fun, simple things like buying summer and winter clothes became a heartbreaking chore because I structured my life around ttc. I still plan in a way (financially, health insurance, etc) but we no longer put other plans on hold (vacations, some major purchases, where we will live etc).

In terms of only ttc four months, I think the other ladies said it best. It can also take several cycles just to get the HANG of charting. I've been doing it on and off since the first edition of TCOYF and I STILL have questions, make mistakes, and so on. If you have a local FAM class your money would probably be better spent taking it together. Why is your DH against charting? Sorry if I missed that part.

If you haven’t already, I would spend this time getting more healthy: losing or gaining needed weight, consuming nutritionally dense foods, taking supplements, getting adequate amount of exercise, rest and so on.
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I'm a little concerned that your partner doesn't want you to chart. It feels like he's forbidden you to do and now you aren't *allowed*?!?
Anyway, everyone has an opinion on when to seek treatment, etc, and mine is that you should get tested asap if you feel that there's a problem. People are intuitive, and I think women need to take ownership of their self-knowledge. ou need to know the difference between fear and self-knowledge, but, if you really think something is wrong, you should take that seriously. It could be nothing, but it could also be something, and the sooner you know, the sooner you can make relevant choices with accurate information.
I agree, get your partner a SA. It's quick and simple and not really that expensive, in the scope of ART. There is also simple bloodwork that can be done on you to check a few key things (thyroid, FSH, and a few other hormones). Charting really is key though. If you decide to seek further treatment, everyone from an ND to an RE will want copies of your charts.
FWIW, I stretched the truth to get testing done earlier. We get the "you're so young, just relax and give it time" party line from people all the time, but the reality is that DH is not physically capable of producing healthy sperm. This would be the reality if we were 30 too.

Some more books to add to your reading list:
Nutritional Healing (Balch & Balch)
Wise Woman's Herbal for the Childbearing Year (Susun Weed)
I have another, but it's loaned out and I can't remember the exact title/author - I'll get back to you.

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Luna, even if you are the most fertile a couple could possibly be (30% chance per cycle of being PG), then there is statistically only a 75% chance that you would be PG within 4 cycles.

I would suggest you stay away from the fertility specialists for awhile longer. My experience with them has not been great.

My RE told me (after 4 months of TTC but I am 40, not in my 20s) that I only had a 5% chance per cycle naturally. After my follow up visit, and more bloodwork, she suggested I "move on to injectibles and iui right away", but that my chances would still only be 8% per cycle.

This was on Feb 11th. I was very disheartened by this. DH and I talked and about 10 days later, we decided to take a 5 cycle break from TTC and re-evaulate then whether we would continue or not. I was thinking probably not as I'd be 41 by then and the age gap with my other kids would be getting really big.

On Feb 28th we found out that we are PG. So we conceived 4 days after that appointment. It took us 8 cycles. Which is not very long but is much longer than I tried for my other 2 and quite honestly, being constantly told you are old and sub-fertile is very depressing and makes you feel desperate.

I don't know that you want to subject yourself to that at this point. And if you lie to them and they think you've been TTC for over a year, they probably will want to do all kinds of interventions.

By all means go ahead with the SA. It's cheap, easy and if there is a problem, there are lots of things you can try (vitamins and supplements, acupunture) to increase his counts.

Concentrate on making yourself as healthy as possible but try (I know this is hard) to "let go" as others have suggested, a little bit.

Chances are very good that you will be PG within a year of TTC. Try to trust that.

Good luck.....

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Also, I must admit that lying doesn't sit well with me.
Lying doesn't "sit well" with me, either, but I guess I felt differently about lying to a stranger (doctor/whomever) when it isn't going to hurt them any and has to do with my body.


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I'm a little concerned that your partner doesn't want you to chart. It feels like he's forbidden you to do and now you aren't *allowed*?!?
He hasn't *forbidden* me from it, but he asked me nicely to stop because he was worried about my mental state if I kept obsessing and worrying all the time. His concerns were genuine, but I just can't get it through his thick (stubborn) head that temping and whatnot can be worthwhile. I haven't brought up doing that stuff since I stopped though. I haven't discussed with him if he cares if I do it again, but I guess I just don't feel like having to explain it to him again. It's not worth arguing with him over it.

Thanks guys. Sometimes I just want to say "I am so over it" (trying to get pregnant). It seems like a lost cause. Sometimes I think about how young I still am and feel a guilty twinge of relief because my life can still revolve around my needs. Maybe I should just enjoy being young and forget about it? Maybe I'm just bitter. :

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Thanks guys. Sometimes I just want to say "I am so over it" (trying to get pregnant). It seems like a lost cause.
But you've only been ttc 4 months. That is a drop in the bucket, it really is. Is there a reason that you want to investigate infertility testing now? Do you suspect something, or are you just impatient to get things going? Because infertility testing doesn't happen quickly. It can take months and months, even years. And it can be expensive, inconvenient, and painful both physically and emotionally. The stresses and strains infertility treatments can take on a marriage are significant. Way more stressful than just charting, imo. If you truly feel that there might be a problem, then by all means try to see someone. There is something to be said for intuition. I felt strongly that there was something going on with me after observing my charts over the course of a year, and I was right (pcos). Along the way we also found out we have male factors as well (surprise!). But just taking the step to seek treatment is not going to open any magical doors to having a baby. Starting treatments isn't a guarantee that you will get pregnant. Many of us here have tried quite a range of fertility treatments. Some work for us, many don't.
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[quote=kristenok18;10474670]But you've only been ttc 4 months. That is a drop in the bucket, it really is. Is there a reason that you want to investigate infertility testing now? Do you suspect something, or are you just impatient to get things going? Because infertility testing doesn't happen quickly. It can take months and months, even years. And it can be expensive, inconvenient, and painful both physically and emotionally. The stresses and strains infertility treatments can take on a marriage are significant. Way more stressful than just charting, imo. If you truly feel that there might be a problem, then by all means try to see someone. There is something to be said for intuition. I felt strongly that there was something going on with me after observing my charts over the course of a year, and I was right (pcos). Along the way we also found out we have male factors as well (surprise!). But just taking the step to seek treatment is not going to open any magical doors to having a baby. Starting treatments isn't a guarantee that you will get pregnant. Many of us here have tried quite a range of fertility treatments. Some work for us, many don't.[/quote]

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Maybe I should just enjoy being young and forget about it?
They're not mutually exclusive.

I have PCOS. Diagnosed at age 22 or 23. Spent a lot of time and energy then fretting over whether or not I could have kids... resenting pregnant women... etc. Wasn't TTC - just fearing it wouldn't happen when we wanted it to. Lo and behold got pregnant a month shy of my 26th birthday... while on birth control pills! Total shocker. And I was thrilled!!! And I love my son - but man having a kid really does change your life and while I would never say NOT to try just because you are young you should still enjoy all the young and childless things you can while you can.

I would not worry about not being able to get pregnant yet. 4 cycles is NOTHING. You have a 15-20% chance per cycle of getting pregnant. Human beings are remarkable infertile as a species. You don't even need to be neurotic about temping - you can tell a lot just by cycle length and cycle signs, for starters - to try to figure out if you are Oing. If your cycles are wildly irregular - it's a reason to go to a doctor. If not - temping or OPKs will give you more input but do you need to be that focused just yet? Up to you. Personally I find temping to be a PITA and would just as soon try to rely on OPKs which work very well for most women. In some cases they don't but you'll never know till you try.

Skip ahead a few years... I have been through 3 cycles of clomid, 3 miscarriages, 5 cycles of Bravelle injectables, 1 cycle of femara/Bravelle/Menopur injectables, and 1 cycle of menopur injectables before a successful pregnancy has come my way again. Got pregnant with triplets - was encouraged to reduce the pregnancy to twins. Whole new world of heartache. Infertility treatment is stressful. It takes so much out of you. Really, nothing you are saying makes it seem like you need to jump into the testing or treatment - I would enjoy being young, try to focus on being in love, try to let it happen naturally... give it at least a few more months.

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Really, nothing you are saying makes it seem like you need to jump into the testing or treatment - I would enjoy being young, try to focus on being in love, try to let it happen naturally... give it at least a few more months.

I'm gonna say it again. Have a lot of sex. Every 3 days, all month long. I am not even being flippant, there are a lot of good reasons for this.

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kristenok18 -

I guess because I used to have DEBILITATING cramps as a teenager (not so bad anymore), and because I had an eating disorder for years... those two things always made me paranoid that I'd have problems having children. Then again, I don't really want to go through treatments if I don't have to. I didn't realize that most doctors are so quick to get you started without even doing proper testing/evaluation first.

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Sorry you have been through so much. Congrats on your pregnancy!

I think I *might* ovulate. I always have fertile CM and plenty of it, and my luteal phase is usually 13-14 days. Still doesn't guarantee that I ovulate, though.

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I'm gonna say it again. Have a lot of sex. Every 3 days, all month long. I am not even being flippant, there are a lot of good reasons for this.
Every 3? I thought it was supposed to be every other day?

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Regarding the eating disorder, it may be a good idea to get some basic blood work done to check for possible deficiencies. I don’t know that much about the effect of ED on the body but I know it can cause some nutritional deficiencies even years after those ED habits are done.

For me, since I have PCOS AND have been bulimic on and off since I was a teenager (this is a LOT for me to admit online). I have done well by adding nutritionally dense foods to my diet to support my reproductive health and any future pregnancies. My cycles are just about as normal as they ever been in my life.

Chances are, you’re probably OK especially if your cycles are normal now, but some blood work might be a good idea.
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I hear you on the worrying and wanting to know now. DH and I just started our 6th cycle since my m/c last year. We're young and healthy and all that. It seems like we've been trying for an eternity (more or less 2 years now). Nothing should be wrong. Give it more time. You know the drill. So yeah, I hear you.

That said, I can tell you that for me, it's important that I feel like I'm doing everything within my power (within reason) to maximize my chances of conceiving without going crazy. I *don't* want to invite medical intervention, I just want to help the odds out.

With that goal in mind, there are a few things I would do if I were you. First, I really think you should temp. Just slowly collect data - more data is good for later if you need it plus it gives you better info on if you're ovulating and when.

Next I would read a copy of The Fertility Diet and apply its suggestions. The advice seems like reasonable, logical advice anyway - can't hurt, right? I have been exercising regularly for the last month or so and switch from nonfat to full fat dairy - and just ovulated earlier than ever before (in 3 years of charting). SO that may not have been the difference, but at least I feel like I'm improving my odds.

I would consider the at home testing - but it might be worth it to just get a basic workup for you and an SA for DH. Depends on your philosophy... we did the Fertell but that only confirms FSH is probably OK and that DH has at least half (I think?) the counts and motility for a good sperm count. Not definite, but a good sign. If you need more solid data, you'll have to get the SA. In your case, I'd probably skip to the basic blood workup like someone else mentioned (blood counts, thyroid, ferritin stores, maybe vitamin D). The thing is, if you find a good doctor who will work WITH you, they will do whatever tests you are comfortable with. I suggest you see an ND for the basic stuff. IME they'll take the time to work more closely with you.

For the record, my ND wanted to see 6 "good" cycles where I clearly O'd pretty early on (she didn't count any where I O'd super later than usual) before encouraging any more intense workups. We agreed that basic blood tests were reasonable and it turns out my thyroid is low (high FSH, thyroid within normal) so I just started on Armour Thyroid. SO that could have been contributing in our case. I guess we'll see I guess my point is there was nothing apparently wrong and it was worth the blood tests just to make sure.

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barose - I did have some blood work (including iron, thyroid and cholesterol) taken last Summer for other reasons, and everything turned out normal. I used to have somewhat low iron because I’m a vegetarian, but I guess taking vitamins helped that. Thanks, though!

heatherh – Like I said to barose, I’ve had basic bloodwork done and everything was normal. I’ve looked up prices on eBay for Fertell, Baby Start (male only), and a few other things, but they all seem to be about the same price or even more expensive than buying them directly from the drug stores. Meh. Guess I’ll have to wait till next paycheck to buy anything as I had to pay a lot of bills this week.

In a way, I really do want to temp, BUT, I hated *needing* to wake up right at 6am every morning – even on the weekends. When I have some more money I might try OPKs again, and I know they have a different function, but at least it doesn’t require you to do it the entire month at the same time every day, ya know? Or perhaps I should try one of those Ovuscope things. One-time purchase and then I can reuse it every cycle. I’m not sure how reliable those are, though.

I’ve thought about that book, but I’m worried about it because although I absolutely love dairy (well cheese and ice cream anyway), it doesn’t digest well with me. In excess it makes me really gassy and bloated, and contributes to sinus problems. I’m not lactose intolerent per-se, but it certainly isn’t in my best interest to consume a lot of it. The other thing is, I don’t drink milk. I have it in cereal, but I use Skim or 2%. I can’t STAND the taste of full-fat milk. Makes me want to vomit. LOL.

Anyway, if I talk to a doctor or midwife, do you think they would suggest temping? My last GYN (an stubborn, old-fashioned old man) said temping was “outdated”, and I told DH that he said that even though I explained that the Dr. himself was “outdated”. So DH probably has that stigma in his head about temping, and maybe that’s why he doesn’t want me to do it. I dunno… still not sure if I want to do it again myself. It made me think about TTC every single day – even moreso than I do no without temping. I’m not sure if I want to obsess *that* much again.

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You can set an alarm to take your temp, then roll over and go back to sleep. As long as your therm. has a memory, just record your temp later. And once you have charted temps for awhile, it won't hurt to miss a day or two earlier in your cycle or later in your lp. Once you know what your patterns are and what temps are normal for you, it's easy just temp for part of the cycle. I use it to pinpoint ovulation, and then keep track of it towards the end of my lp to see if the temp has dropped or has maintained. You don't have to temp every single day of your cycle. After 3.5yrs of temping, I still have days where I forget. You can also adjust your temp upwards or downwards if you wake up earlier or later than normal (that's in tcoyf, too...it think it's 2/10 degree for every hour?).

As for the dairy, have you tried raw? It makes the difference between intolerance and being able to consume dairy for some folks. What about full-fat organic yogurt? If you can't handle dairy at all, make sure you are getting adequate fats from healthy sources (preferably organic and mercury free). You mentioned being a vegetarian, but are you including fish oil in your diet at all? Eggs?
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You can set an alarm to take your temp, then roll over and go back to sleep. As long as your therm. has a memory, just record your temp later. And once you have charted temps for awhile, it won't hurt to miss a day or two earlier in your cycle or later in your lp. Once you know what your patterns are and what temps are normal for you, it's easy just temp for part of the cycle. I use it to pinpoint ovulation, and then keep track of it towards the end of my lp to see if the temp has dropped or has maintained. You don't have to temp every single day of your cycle. After 3.5yrs of temping, I still have days where I forget. You can also adjust your temp upwards or downwards if you wake up earlier or later than normal (that's in tcoyf, too...it think it's 2/10 degree for every hour?).

As for the dairy, have you tried raw? It makes the difference between intolerance and being able to consume dairy for some folks. What about full-fat organic yogurt? If you can't handle dairy at all, make sure you are getting adequate fats from healthy sources (preferably organic and mercury free). You mentioned being a vegetarian, but are you including fish oil in your diet at all? Eggs?
I usually can't go back to sleep once I'm awake (even for a minute).

What do you mean by raw? As for full-fat yogurt, I prefer the taste of low-fat Yoplait. I don't think I could get used to the other kind. I do eat plenty of dairy - trust me, but the only full-fat dairy I get is cheese and ice cream.

No I don't take fish oil. I take Evening Primrose Oil though (before O), and I did take Flax Seed oil for awhile but stopped when I read that the pills get rancid or something. I can't stand tinctures. I do eat eggs maybe all of 10 times a year, but I have to be in the mood for them.

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Raw milk instead of pasteurized. We found a local farmer where we can get ours. I'm not sure of the laws in your state regarding raw milk, but you could probably find out in your tribal area.
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Raw milk instead of pasteurized. We found a local farmer where we can get ours. I'm not sure of the laws in your state regarding raw milk, but you could probably find out in your tribal area.
Hmm. Interesting. Is there a difference in taste and all of that? I'm still not sure I could handle whole fat milk.

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Hmm. Interesting. Is there a difference in taste and all of that? I'm still not sure I could handle whole fat milk.

IMO it tastes much better than pasteurized milk (even organic milk) but you will just have to try it for yourself. Check out the “traditional foods” forum. They have a lot of links and information about where to find raw milk. This website has a lot of good info too http://www.realmilk.com/

For me, I went raw vegan a year ago and it was the worse thing I could have done to my body and mind. It was a good detox for a few weeks, but I became horribly deficient though I was eating a LOT of fruits, vegetables, superfoods, fats and so on. My periods were getting longer and longer, VERY painful, I started developing large cysts that would painfully burst and my PCOS felt like it was getting worse. Though I was taking B12 supplements, spirluna, EPO, flax oil, and so on I was still deficient. By November, my hair was starting to come out, I had heart palpations and so on.
Depression was an understatement.

As soon as I added raw butter, coconut oil, pastured raised eggs, real cod liver oil, grass fed beef, pastured chicken etc, I had my first 28 day cycle ever in my life. My skin is clearing up, and my periods are almost painless. There is more to my diet than that (there are a lot of foods I dont eat and that also helps my fertility), but I think the good fats is the main thing.

Vegetarianism may work for you (I don’t believe there is a one size fit all diet), but just sharing my experience.
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From what I've learned so far, you want to check your iron stores - not sure what your doc checked? There are also other tests you could do (if you want) - like prolactin, FSH, progesterone, etc.

The reason I suggest temping is because a sustained temp rise is a good way to see if you seem to be ovulating. I'd say that's an important bit of detail right now. Other methods just tell you that you might O. Especially after you get some practice, you can figure out if you really have to temp at the same time. For me, I have to temp at close to the same time even if I have only had 1 hour of sleep. Everybody is different, though. And yeah, you don't have to temp *every* day.

Re The Fertility Diet - I wouldn't suggest that you drink milk if you just don't like it! I *would* (personally) quit drinking 2%, 1%, or skim and avoid things like lowfat frozen yogurt, and lowfat yogurt. I never used to like whole milk, but the pastured milk I've been buying is actually quite tasty! If you're already eating ice cream and cheese, that's certainly enough. Part of the takeaway on that book for me was the avoid lowfat part - their data showed that even one lowfat serving a day increased the risk of ovulatory infertility. Not only does their argument make sense, but I figure closer to nature is probably healthier anyway. What about their other suggestions? It's always good to get more (and more vigorous) exercise, etc.
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Luna, hi. I'm not an infertility veteran by any means but I just wanted to say - find an OB you like and get the SA. You'll want a good OB anyway, and it will put your mind at rest. You sound pretty sure that you're ovulating, so my advice is, start with a SA, use OPK's, and go from there.

My doctor suggested Clomid back in September. It took me until January until I was ready to try it. So just because Clomid is the first suggestion does not mean you have to jump right into it. And as others have said, you have no specific reason to worry yet, you'd just rather know. A SA is not expensive and not invasive and is a good place to get the info you want.

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Thanks for the diet/dairy info guys! I will check into it more.

songbird - We will get an SA, but we have to wait until DH actually has insurance. We are waiting till next month when we have some more money to sign him up (there's a $60 application fee for them to take MORE of my money). Then we have to wait for him to get approved (anyone know how long that could take when he has NO pre-existing conditions?)

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