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HAPPY NEW YEAR

Welcome to the charting to avoid January 2009 thread. If you would like to be added or removed (or have anything changed) from the roll call list, please let me know by PMing me. PM me if you'd like to start next month's thread.

Here's a link to last month's October, November, December Thread

If you did not post in October, November or December, you have been deleted from the list. If you were mistakenly deleted, or you would like to be added/removed, please PM me and let me know. I can not promise to make changes requested in the thread, but I will try to get to everything.

*Charting/Using FAM/NFP to AVOID*

who we are:

* = active member

akaisha - since 04/08
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cahwilson - since 01/09
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ccasanova - CTA since 12/08 + 4 mos prior
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DucetteMama21842 - (babymed) (FF) since 11/08
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Juliacat - CTA since 03/08 mo, +33 cycles prior from 2001-2004
ladyinred - since 06/08
mamaspirit - CTA since 11/08 + more prior
MarineMommy - CTA since 10/08
MarineWife - Fertility Friend Ovusoft since 06/08
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Shell_Ell - (FF) (OS) since 11/04 (15 cycles)
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Twinklefae - since 05/08

Graduates (no longer charting to avoid)
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DanelleB - 12/07 - 05/08
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ShwarmaQueen - CTA since 09/07
BananaBreadGirl - CTA for 2 years
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texaspeach - 10/04 - 01/09

Happy charting!

Summary of FAM rules (sympto-thermal)

Pre-ovulation rules:

1) First 5 Days Rule: You are safe the first 5 days of your menstrual cycle if you had an obvious temp shift 12-16 days before.

2) Dry day rule: You are safe to DTD after 6PM if you have been dry all day.

Post ovulation rules:

1) Peak day rule: the last day of fertile mucous is called the peak day (the day before your mucous begins to dry up). You are safe to DTD on the fourth consecutive day after the peak day. If another patch of more fertile mucous appears, start your count over.

2) Temperature shift rule: You are safe the evening of the third consecutive day your temp is above your coverline. If your temp falls at or below the coverline during the 3 day count, begin your count again.

BOTH rules must be satisfied to be considered in your infertile phase.

How to set a coverline:

When you see a temperature shift of at least 0.2 degrees F above the highest of the previous 6 temps, draw a line 0.1 degrees F above that highest temp.

Resources

Books:
Taking Charge of Your Fertility, by Toni Weschler
Garden of Fertility and Honoring Our Cycles workbook, by Katie Singer
The Art of Natural Family Planning by John and Sheila Kippley
Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies by Sheila Kippley
Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition by Marilyn Shannon

Websites:
Ovusoft charting software, and brief fertility library
Fertility Friend charting software, and ttc charting guide
Author Katie Singer's Garden of Fertility website
Billings Ovulation Method info
Billings Ovulation Method Association, USA
Billings Centre, CA
Couple to Couple League (find an NFP instructor)
Creighton Model


Abbreviations:
AF: Aunt Flo, your period
BFP: what we are trying to avoid, a positive pregnancy test
CD: Cycle day
CM: cervical mucous (same as CF)
CF: cervical fluid (same as CM)
DPO: Days past ovulation
DTD: Do the deed
GIO: get it on
EWCM: eggwhite cervical mucous/fluid
LP: Luteal phase - the time from ovulation until your period, average 10-16 days

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:Happy New years:
A nice brand new thread.

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My temps are going triphasic.

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My temps are going triphasic.
Hmmmmm Do you think you had an opps?
I have had one cycle before that was triphasic and I was not pregnant.

This cycle was really strange for me, I will be glad when it is over and a new one starts.
Between the really long AF last cycle, the midcycle spotting and the really early O it has been an interesting one.

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My temps are going triphasic.
to you. I hope things work out the way you want them to.

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Hmmmmm Do you think you had an opps?
I don't really think so. The last time we dtd was 5 days before O. I know it's possible to get pg from that but I seriously doubt it for me. I also checked my previous O cycle and the temps from that one were triphasic, too.

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Happy New Year all! :

Marine wife, mine did that last cycle too, and nearly gave me a heart attack.

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Happy New Year everyone!!

Today is the last day of af for me!! It wasn't as bad as last cycle, I'm hoping to start the chloraphyll supplement this cycle and see if it lightens af next time around!!

Can someone explaing what a triphasic chart is???
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Marinewife - I wouldn't worry about it if you DTD 5 days before O. Lots of non pregnant charts go triphasic.

Triphasic means that after you get an initial temp shift, you get another one with 3 higher temps around 5-7dpo. It can indicate a pregnancy because your progesterone is increasing. Sometimes it is followed by a dip like a pre O dip. But it most often doesn't mean anything. You can't predict anything with triphasic charts.

Happy New Years ladies : I fell asleep at 10pm First time ever I missed the ball drop.

I got a cross hair today. My chart looks odd for me. My post O temps are normally much higher. I wonder if I didn't actually O since I have all my pre O temps missing. But I got tons of EWCM and a + OPK along with a hard closed cervix 2 days ago. I will give it one more day till I consider it safe.
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Hello everyone, just checking in. I actually managed to temp over Christmas vacation, although they might be a bit off because of traveling across time zones and such. It looks like I might be gearing up to ovulate. Yay!

Happy New Year to everyone! I went to bed early too. :yawning: We just got back from traveling last night.

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Happy New Year! Please add me to the list I have been CTA since August -

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/21137a

I traveled for Christmas and had a wonderful time with my friends and family...until the last couple days when I got the flu! I am on CD5 now though so luckily I didn't miss temping when I could be ovulating. Hopefully being sick won't mess up my cycle...I am still trying to have healthy cycles after being on the pill for six years.

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aloha ladies!

CD 14 over here. FF thought i O'd on CD 11, but that's really early for me. i had a really fitful sleep last night and was probably only out for about 2 hours and 45 minutes before my alarm went off so i discarded today's temp, which knocked out my cross hairs. we'll see what happens over the next few days, it's all very odd. i DTD last night and this morning, but with condoms both times so should be no worries there.
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Hi everyone! Just checking in on the new thread. This is our first month CTA. My hopes for this new year are to actually ovulate and have a period. And then assuming I will ever be able to get pregnant again for dh to want to stop avoiding!
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Still no AF for me. I am on 16 DPO and I haven't even had a sign of AF. I'm getting a bit nervous. I haven't been the greatest at charting since my PPAF two months ago. I'm worried that I have an oops. I don't know for sure when I O'd but I'm only off by a day or two either way. I wasn't great with temping... Ugh, I'm not ready to be pg again!

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Still no AF for me. I am on 16 DPO and I haven't even had a sign of AF. I'm getting a bit nervous. I haven't been the greatest at charting since my PPAF two months ago. I'm worried that I have an oops. I don't know for sure when I O'd but I'm only off by a day or two either way. I wasn't great with temping... Ugh, I'm not ready to be pg again!
Do you have a chart we can see? How long is your lp, usually?

I got the triphasic message from Ovusoft but not FF. Ovusoft says, if my temp stays high for 10 days, I should take a test. Is that a rule about triphasic temps, that if the 2nd set of high temps stay there for 10 days it could mean you are pg? I always thought they had to stay up there long enough for your lp to be 18 days.

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Marinewife – that is my understanding too. 18 days = test.

Mamaspirit - do you have a chart we can see? I hope you aren’t pregnant.

Cahwilson - Sounds like some good goals.

Angelxxrose – I hope your body gets back to normal soon. The pill can really mess us up for awhile.

I am finding it eerie how my temps are so steady right now. This is so not a typical chart for me.
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Poking my head into the new thread. Hi all.

I just noticed my name on the header, I guess I hadn't paid much attention to it before. I've been CTA since my second child's birth (6/07) I think it's 17 cycles total including other cycles prior. For all intents and purposes, those weren't spent actively CTA.
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canid, aren't you TTC right now? how typical that your chart goes funny the second you actually want to be pg. (unless i'm mixing people up and that's not you at all, )
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I've been lurking more than usual around this thread lately as well, so hello!

Nothing new nor exciting for me going on. These last few cycles sthough, I've really come to terms with the fact that I get nausious just before O and AF and have stayed really level-headed through what is typically a panicky "I wonder if I'm pregnant" time. I love knowing what's going on with my own body.

And if anyone has any suggestions for ridding of nausea at those time, they would be welcomed

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canid, aren't you TTC right now? how typical that your chart goes funny the second you actually want to be pg. (unless i'm mixing people up and that's not you at all, )
I was TTC for one cycle I found out during the 2ww that I will be laid off soon so we went back to TTA and I am going back to school full time in August.

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I've been lurking more than usual around this thread lately as well, so hello!

Nothing new nor exciting for me going on. These last few cycles sthough, I've really come to terms with the fact that I get nausious just before O and AF and have stayed really level-headed through what is typically a panicky "I wonder if I'm pregnant" time. I love knowing what's going on with my own body.

And if anyone has any suggestions for ridding of nausea at those time, they would be welcomed
I get that too. I just drink lots of water and eat small snacks. It really makes me panic sometimes even though I know 99.9% that I am not pregnant
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I'm checking in! I'm still on my first postpartum cycle CTA. I'm pretty sure I finally O'd since my cervical fluid, + OPK and temps are looking like they are going that way. If I get one more raised temp I will be able to have a coverline/crosshairs and I'm pretty confident that will happen.

Any experienced CTA'ers want to take a look at my chart and confirm that it is likely? (Link to Fertility Friend in my siggy)
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I haven't been keeping an online chart. It's paper. I've been too lazy to type it into FF. One of the reasons I joined this thread was that I needed more motivation to be consistent with charting etc. I could put the info from my paper chart into FF and than you guys could see.

Still no AF for me and I'm on 17 DPO. Before I got pregnant with Freya my LP was 16 days long, but I also O'd a lot earlier than I did this time. My cycles were usually only 26 to 27 days long. I am EBF right now, but I have had 2 normal periods and pretty obvious signs that I ovulated.

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Still no AF for me and I'm on 17 DPO. Before I got pregnant with Freya my LP was 16 days long, but I also O'd a lot earlier than I did this time. My cycles were usually only 26 to 27 days long.
I'm sure you know that lp length is more consistent than cycle length. Your lp can also vary by two days and still be considered ok/normal. However, 18 days of high temps usually means a pg. You said your O day may be off by one day. Do you think it could've been earlier or later?

Ducette ~ It's a kind of hard for me to say for sure since you have so many missing temps. It does look possible that you Oed.

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Ok, I took a minute to enter my data onto FF...

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/24b3b0

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mamaspirit that looks like a pregnancy chart. You didn't DTD during a fertile day though . The temps aren't going down at all and are actually rising. Have you tested?

Ducette - I agree with marinewife.
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mamaspirit, I think you need to take a test...those temps don't appear to be moving!

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Don't say those things! Please tell me I missed something! I really don't think I could handle being pregnant right now! I have a 27 month old and a 7 month old. I would have 3 babies under the age of 3! I can barely keep up with 2! And than my 9 year old, although he is easy in some ways he can be so challenging in others... I really wish I had stayed more on top of charting and my fertility! I just kept forgetting... I guess its the lack of sleep.

I will have to wait to test until I do so without DH knowing. If he knew he would freak, even if it was negative, so no sence in freaking him unless I really need to.


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What about me? Maybe I don't count because our method is a FAM/pull-out/condoms combo

Waiting for AF today... I'm pretty sure today will be the day, since I just started getting weepy looking at the word "Fertility" PMS makes me cry about everything.

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Don't say those things! Please tell me I missed something! I really don't think I could handle being pregnant right now! I have a 27 month old and a 7 month old. I would have 3 babies under the age of 3! I can barely keep up with 2! And than my 9 year old, although he is easy in some ways he can be so challenging in others... I really wish I had stayed more on top of charting and my fertility! I just kept forgetting... I guess its the lack of sleep.

I will have to wait to test until I do so without DH knowing. If he knew he would freak, even if it was negative, so no sence in freaking him unless I really need to.

Well if your temp does not go down in the next 2 days, I would say you are pregnant. Wow 3 under 3 I hope it's not a pregnancy since that is clearly what you don't want but it's not looking good on your chart.

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What about me? Maybe I don't count because our method is a FAM/pull-out/condoms combo

Waiting for AF today... I'm pretty sure today will be the day, since I just started getting weepy looking at the word "Fertility" PMS makes me cry about everything.
hmmm too early to tell. You will have to wait a few more days. How long is your LP normally? ETA: just realized you are missing the past 2 days for temps on your chart.
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so it's looking like i really did O on CD 11... that's a first, but my temps and CM pretty much corroborate. especially since yesterday i was completely dry except one little bit of EWCM (which is why i marked the day as EW) but it was only a tiny bit, just the once.

the earliest i've O'd before is CD 13, but it's usually more like CD 15/16. last cycle i O'd late (CD 18) and now this cycle early. i wonder what's going on...
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