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Annie - I believe FF will just put that all into one big cycle. It will work fine. But you can also manually start a new cycle if it gets too unwieldy.

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It eventually says your chart data is too long to display. I did that when I thought I had gotten my first pp af last year. It ended up being over 200 days. I think it makes out at 100? It's been awhile.

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Congrats OMM! :

annie ~ If you are less than 6 months PP, are exclusively BFing around the clock and have not had a PPAF yet, you can rely on LAM. Otherwise, at this point I'd just keep track of CF and use protection or abstain when you have any sign of fertile CF. Once you get a PPAF, start temping.

I wake up at least twice a night to nurse and pee. I've rarely been asleep for 3 consecutive hours before waking to temp. I've never had any problems with my charts. I think if you do the different colors to record temps taken after less sleep, you'd just look back and see if those temps were significantly different from the ones taken under the ideal circumstances.

I'm on PP cycle 10 and my lp has still not completely normalized yet. It's normally 12 days long. So far it's been, 10, 10, 11, 11, and either 11 or 13 last cycle with a few anov cycles interspersed in there.

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OMM ~ I wouldn't mind another but don't feel the need for one. I'd prefer to be in the not trying but not preventing camp. My dh is done. He does not want any more. So, here I am charting to avoid and being jealous of everyone else who comes up pregnant by accident (like you ). The thought of never being pregnant and giving birth again saddens me. My 3rd child was a homebirth and it was just amazing. I would so love to do that again. As time goes by, though, I feel less and less like I could handle another so it's probably good that dh has cut me off. I'm definitely looking forward to having more free time for myself as the kids get older.

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DH and I had an opps moment last night... GIO but P&P way before we needed to. Should I be worried? I'm actually hoping for my temp to go down now.

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So when you look at your temps, would you look at both of them to see which one makes more sense?
I only use the earlier one if I don't fall back asleep fully. I don't even look at the temps at 4 or 5... they're there just in case.

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Hehe. Well I know why my temp. went up this morning and my lp is longer.

Note to those who are SERIOUSLY avoiding: FOLLOW THE RULES.
Congrats! Are you preggo #1 for April?

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Congrats! Are you preggo #1 for April?
Probably.

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Congrats OMM!!

I totally see how things can "happen". I have no idea what this new normal is for me either! I seem to be Oing really early, and having much shorter AF. Last cycle was really light, and this cycle I expected to be heavy. Instead I had one medium day, one light day and two days of spotting.

I'm used to textbook 28 day cycle, O on CD 14, AF on 14DPO/CD1, followed by a normal AF of 3-5 days with at least one heavy day in the middle and at least two soaker nights.

So, the new normal is making CTA quite the challenge, and it's stressin' me out! Can't wait for V day!!
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DH and I had an opps moment last night... GIO but P&P way before we needed to. Should I be worried? I'm actually hoping for my temp to go down now.
I still don't see O yet. What has your cf been like? If it's been creamy or more fertile, there is a chance you could O soon and get pg. OTOH, withdrawal is only 1% less effective than condoms when done properly. That's the method my dh and I use during my fertile time.

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Ummm...no. I wasn't thinking. I was...enthusastic. :
I can relate to that! :

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Hi everyone! Everytime I come to check the thread someone is pregnant! lol Congrats OMM!

I could really use some help here. I have always ovulated on cd 17 or 18. This cycle I started noticing slight CM on CD 12 and I noticed creamy on CD 14, but not a lot. I usually get watery around O time. I also got a cold on CD 13, but no fever (unless I am running one at night and don't know it). My temp keeps going up though and I'm not sure if I ovulated or sickness is messing with it...? I was also slightly crampy on cd 14 on the left side, but brushed it off as nothing b/c it was too early. Any thoughts?

I guess time will tell if my temp goes down again and then up or CM picks up instead of drying up. I'm sick so we probably won't be DTD anyways. I also had a very increased sex drive the past week (odd for me!)
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Still no AF. :

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I still don't see O yet. What has your cf been like? If it's been creamy or more fertile, there is a chance you could O soon and get pg. OTOH, withdrawal is only 1% less effective than condoms when done properly. That's the method my dh and I use during my fertile time.
I'm creamy a lot. Although I think I have been overzealous in hopes that everything will be OK off BC. I've been checking CM internally. I reread a bit of TCOYF this moring and she talked about noting the difference between internal CM and external sensation. Something I need to think about!

I also spotted a bit this morning; just one dark spot. Maybe O spotting? TCOYF also said O spotting is more likely in long cycles...I think I qualify here! Any chance my temp spike could have been related to O and not sickness? Is a 1 degree jump typical at all? I felt like crap that day and so sickness is most likely, but I don't want to rule anything out.

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cahwilson - I would say sickness and you haven't O'd yet, but I guess you'll have to wait it out and see.

Virginia - ditto I guess!

Hope you both feel better soon...

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Uh oh... I think we had a user error moment last night. I have EWCM and our method is withdrawl during that period, but DH realized like a second too late that it was time... He's not entirely sure though. He was always a 100% man with withdrawl, but he did accidentally stab his leg at work a few days ago, which as been affecting his whole body.

I will be over the moon if I do end up getting PG, but DH is not ready yet. He wanted me to wean DD2 and be not nursing for a few months before we started TTC. So if I am PG, it will just be a few months earlier than we planned (I wanted to wean DD2 by summer anyway).

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Ashley ~ If your temp stays up like today, I'd say O yesterday. But, of course, only time will tell so act as if you haven't Oed yet.

Virginia ~ I'm not seeing a 1 degree temp rise. What days are you talking about? If you use the ROT to ignore cd35 temp, it's possible you Oed sometime cd39-41. You'll need to wait for a few more high temps to confirm. That one missing temp on cd41 kind of messes things up right now.

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Still no AF. :
Well, it doesn't look possible that you could be pregnant. Your O is pretty clear and you didn't dtd in your fertile window. Plus, your temp is dropping.

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Virginia ~ I'm not seeing a 1 degree temp rise. What days are you talking about? If you use the ROT to ignore cd35 temp, it's possible you Oed sometime cd39-41. You'll need to wait for a few more high temps to confirm. That one missing temp on cd41 kind of messes things up right now.
Sorry... I entered it but told FF to discard. CD40 was 99.09. I've put it back in for now. FF gives me dashed lines- hope! But how does it throw out CD35? I have it set on FAM. This would be a fabulous outcome, except that darn BD on CD40. And what drives me nuts is we only actually GIO on CD4 and 40... could have done days 5-35 just fine!

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Still no AF. :
That BD on CD19... what do you think about that? At least your temps are going downward and not upward!

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The BD on I think it's cd12 and cd19 were both with condoms... so it would be failure of those if so. I don't think I'm pregnant... but come on! : I'm glad my temp is dropping... it's just not going below the coverline... and I'm still not getting AF. Whatever. She'll come eventually I'm sure.

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Thanks ladies. I guess I will just have to wait it out. It is making me nervous since we DTD on CD 12. It didn't even cross my mind that we might not be safe then.
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Question about the first 5 days rule:

We've been reading about those women who have gotten pg DTD six days before O. If one is Oing at CD 11, does the 5 day rule still unequivocally apply?
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If one is Oing at CD 11, does the 5 day rule still unequivocally apply?
Doering might be more appropriate in your situation. Doering=Earliest day of thermal shift minus 7 is last day of phase I, if dry.

I'm wondering about EWCM during spotting at the tail end of AF. This is a no go, right? : Doering for me would yield CD 15 as end of phase I, but WTH is all this EWCM on CD 6 while still spotting from AF?

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Virginia ~ If you did O on cd39, dtd on cd40 should be fine. It's highly, highly unlikely to get pregnant from intercourse the day after O. I'd still be cautious, though, because it's not 100% clear that you've Oed at all. If you did O on cd39, cds33-39 were not safe. CDs5-32 would've been safe.

cahwilson ~ If your BIP is dry, you should consider yourself potentially fertile as soon as you see any cf at all, even sticky. Sticky is only safe if it's your BIP.

twilight girl ~ Doesn't sound safe to me. Maybe the first 4 days rule for you?

Shannon ~ Are you sure it's ewcf and not just part of AF? I had something that looked a lot like ewcf on cd4 when I was still having AF. Today I've been completely dry. I'm not considering that ewcf.

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Shannon ~ Are you sure it's ewcf and not just part of AF? I had something that looked a lot like ewcf on cd4 when I was still having AF. Today I've been completely dry. I'm not considering that ewcf.
No, I'm not sure. It looks & feels like EWCM mixed w/spotting. I don't remember having this quantity of CM-looking stuff w/AF before, so my radar is up. But then, I really haven't had all that many AF's in the last 6.5 years, so maybe my memory is just spotty. I know I've never considered anything during AF as actual EWCM before.

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I have a question about which temp to use:

At 4:45 when I usually temp, I had been sleeping with my mouth open. I got a temp of 97.1 (which I knew wasnt right) so I temped again and it was 98.5. I went back to sleep and took my temp again at 6am at 99.3 (mouth closed this time). 99.0 when adjusted for time.

Which is more accurate: Mouth open or time adjusted

Do I use 98.5 or 99.0?
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Hmm... I don't know anything close to as much as the other ladies... but I'd guess the time adjusted one would be better.


I'm finally spotting.... very very little. : Now I'm wondering if this could be my new "real" LP... That would be kind of nice... although I kind of hope I start O'ing a little sooner.

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Danile: 31 day cycle isnt bad! CD18 O and 13LP is ok isnt it? Do you just want shorter cycles or longer LPs?
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I have a question about which temp to use:

At 4:45 when I usually temp, I had been sleeping with my mouth open. I got a temp of 97.1 (which I knew wasnt right) so I temped again and it was 98.5. I went back to sleep and took my temp again at 6am at 99.3 (mouth closed this time). 99.0 when adjusted for time.

Which is more accurate: Mouth open or time adjusted

Do I use 98.5 or 99.0?
I've never understood the issue of temping when sleeping with your mouth opened. I've never noticed a problem with my temps when that happens (if it ever does, not sure I'd even be aware of it). So, I can't really answer your question. However, two things. First, since you are well into your lp, your temps don't really matter any more. You could stop temping if you want. Also, one temp in the big scheme of things doesn't matter either. Because of that, I'd use the first temp that was taken at your regular time, 97.1 @ 4:45. You can always make a note of the circumstances and the other temps.

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