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#61 of 476 Old 12-05-2009, 10:49 AM
 
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I love FAM! I love that for at least a week or so out of the cycle we can have worry-free sex. I love that.

That being said, did anyone see the latest Private Practice? They had a serious Jewish couple who had 6 children, the parents were exhausted and didn't want to have anymore kids right then and there, but they believe God doesn't want couples to prohibit and abstinence isn't an option. The drs basically told the mother to take 'these pills, which will boost your iron levels, among other things". The mother knew what they were and basically agreed to lie to her husband. At one point in the deliberation about BC they said "I wish there was something we could give her that wasn't hormonal and not considered birth control!" I shouted at the TV "Hello FAM!" They didn't even bring it up, not even the rhythm method.

Does anyone else get 'you are stupid' looks from drs and nurses when you tell them that's what you are using? It's like they expect to see you back soon because of user failure. That irritates me. This stuff works! I wish more of the medical community would see that.
Yes, I've had docs say to me "Oh so you're using the rhythm method" when I explain that I am charting using the sympto-thermal method.

I avoid the GYN practice here and just get all my stuff done at my GP's office because I don't want to have to continue to explain myself and refuse BC. And good grief if I even suggest that I know when I ovulated!

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ok - so I have a question.
On the third (the 97.4 temp) I did not get adequate sleep before taking it.........I was up at 445 to nurse and then for whatever reason my DH started talking and I was AWAKE! I think I fell back to sleep maybe at 530 and when my alarm woke me up at 6 it was like I was in the deeeeeep delusional sleep and I almost forgot to take my temp! LOL
Sooooo - what is that? Do I discard it? Do I just write a note to remember the circumstances?
On ANOTHER note - I think I might have !! Same as you WWC, I have been having a few days of SUPER clear EWCF, instead of the cloudy/clear stuff I have been having and today feels more dry already................so wish me luck!!!

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I've had dr's look at me like I had two heads when I told them I knew exactly when I concieved and told them their EDC would be off if they used my LMP. They still did, but then, of course, the dating ultrasound confirmed my date, not theirs.

I think I'm gearing up to O. If I was just temping & not observing CM as well, I might think I O'd on the 1st (CD 15). My chart. My temps are pretty wacky (bed hopping, staying up too late, big shifts in outside temp), but I think I should still be able to see O.

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annie ~ I wouldn't discard that temp. You could mark it as sleep-deprived and/or make note of the circumstances. One temp is insignificant in the big scheme of things. I think s/w is designed to disregard a temp here and there that's outside the norm. From your temp rise today, if you did O yesterday, it looks like that 97.4 temp won't make it hard to see. Does that make sense?

WWC ~ O does look very possible.

Shwarma ~ I don't bother temping and charting until after my first PP bleed. Until then you can track your CF and act accordingly. A lot of us are charting while breastfeeding and it works just fine.

Griffs ~ The last time I saw an OB for a regular check up she couldn't believe I declined BC even though I told her several times that I was ok with getting pregnant. She told me I would definitely end up pregnant within a year (which I actually did but, again, that's what I wanted). Obviously, she wasn't listening to me and just following her own agenda. Why would she push BC on someone who wanted to get pregnant? I think she just wanted to argue against FAM. She also tried to lecture me about breastfeeding while pregnant. She got very angry when I finally just told her flat out that I disagreed with her and didn't want to hear anymore about it. Needless to say, I never went back to her. I've pretty much given up on any kind of specialist, whether it be an OB, a pediatrician or any other, unless I absolutely need one. OBs are surgical specialists, not female health or reproductive specialists. They don't seem to really know much more than a GP or FP doc but are more apt to be more condescending and push drugs specific to their specialty.

On another note, I'm confused by the smilies. Is the ducked tomato (I can't seem to find that one anywhere now) supposed to be for O or for missing the egg?

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annie: I'm far from experienced at this (I'm just finishing 4 cycles CTA) but I just record the temp and include notes recording the circumstances. I also created a Custom checkbox for Disturbed Sleep on FF. But if you did O on the 5th and your temp stays up you can still do a coverline above your 97.4 temp on the 3rd and have the 6 temps below your coverline.


I've not had the experience of telling a HCP about using FAM. I told the MW when I went to have my IUD removed that we were going to be trying for another baby. Since getting pregnant with DS I've only been to see my fairly crunchy FP for general stuff and MW for pregnancy related and well woman care. I'm hoping to use FAM after DC2 as our primary BC though (using condoms as backup during potentially fertile times) so we'll see then

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I've had dr's look at me like I had two heads when I told them I new exactly when I concieved and told them their EDC would be off if they used my LMP. They still did, but then, of course, the dating ultrasound confirmed my date, not theirs.
I had that happen when I was pg with Ethan. The docs were almost 3 weeks off on my due date because they were basing it on my lmp. I had one doc tell me I had a blighted ovum and needed a D&C because he thought I was 8w when I was only 5w! Can you imagine if I had followed his advice? My dating u/s finally put their EDD closer to mine but still off by a week. Of course, I went way over their EDD. Then they started pushing to induce me because I supposedly had GD and didn't know what to do with me when I refused. Again, if I had gone along with them, I would've been induced at what was really 37w because they thought I was 38w.

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I think I'm gearing up to O. If I was just temping & not observing CM as well, I might think I O'd on the 1st (CD 15). My chart. My temps are pretty wacky (bed hopping, staying up too late, big shifts in outside temp), but I think I should still be able to see O.
I don't think your temps show O yet according to FAM. You don't have enough before cd15 to set a definite CL. Even if you discard the CD14 temp and use only the 4 temps from cd10, 11, 12 and 15, your CL would be 97.4 and you don't have 3 consecutive temps above that. Right now, I'd put your CL at 97.6.

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Thanks for all of the help! I wasn't sure what to mark it when I entered into FF, so I just basically made a mental note. I was just wondering what the actual protocol is.
Honestly, I really would have noooo idea how to chart temps.........I only took a creighton class (which doesn't include temps). I read TCOYF but I didn't really memorize how to chart temps and now I lent my book out, go figure! Soooooo - I'm pretty much counting on your ladies expertise

MW - that does make sense - thanks! I think the smiley is being used for O (and in the spirit of CTA, ducking the egg )

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MW - that does make sense - thanks! I think the smiley is being used for O (and in the spirit of CTA, ducking the egg )
I looked through the smilies over and over and over again and couldn't find that smilie. Where is it or what is the code?

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annie: With FF I just put something in the notes section if they're anything unusual for that day. I also record in the notes section for the morning after I have a late night, drink more than 1 drink of alcohol, take valerian for a sleep aid or anything like that. Otherwise I would NEVER remember so this way if I do realize there is some kind of effect I can go back and look. I also ended up creating custom checkboxes for stuff like valerian and disturbed sleep. A question to the crowd: Is there some checkbox somewhere for Sleep Deprived that I see on other people's charts? If so, I missed it!

Nevermind .. I found it. I feel like a dunce

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I had a hard time finding it the other day too - it is right up in the top section to the left......here is the code;

: duck (together)

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annie: With FF I just put something in the notes section if they're anything unusual for that day. I also record in the notes section for the morning after I have a late night, drink more than 1 drink of alcohol, take valerian for a sleep aid or anything like that. Otherwise I would NEVER remember so this way if I do realize there is some kind of effect I can go back and look. I also ended up creating custom checkboxes for stuff like valerian and disturbed sleep. A question to the crowd: Is there some checkbox somewhere for Sleep Deprived that I see on other people's charts? If so, I missed it!
I haven't made it yet - but someone just said it was a "customized" box.......not sure where that is located at though! LOL - I'm sooo much help right?

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I had the same thing happen with Rhys. They told me by the wheel that I was due such and such and I told her I knew when I conceived. I guess some women don't know much about themselves, but I did. Sure enough an ultrasound predicted the date I had figured. Actually, the u/s put it three days earlier. He came on the exact date I had first figured out. Heh he. Luckily I have a GP that is a nun and she knows and supports FAM. Since I'm not on hormones I don't have to go to a OBGYN, so I can go to her for all my paps and so forth. I never once had her tell me that I couldn't do this.

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When I went to the Dr. pre-DS exploring BC options and she wrote off all NFP methods as the rhythm method and ineffective. I went to get fitted for a diaphragm and couldn't reach my cervix, so that would have been ineffective too. We chose various barrier/foam/strip methods which ultimately lead to DS.

She doesn't say much when I say I'm using FAM, just that it's a good option for some people. I'm not sure she's aware of the the differences between all the various NFP methods.

Personally though, THIS is what I was looking for 5 yrs ago and was told didn't exist. Hormone-free, condom-free, chemical-free, yet reliable.

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Yeah, with DD2 I knew I was two weeks later than my LMP would say I was. I TRIED to tell them, but whatever! Luckily they had an U/S my first appt. which showed my due date to be exactly what my conception date said! LOL

For some strange reason - with DD1, I got off BCP and just had the withdrawal bleeding and then got my BFP.............but for whatever weird reason I must have ovulated almost exactly two weeks later because my U/S due date was pretty much right on to my LMP (which I NOW know wasn't even a real period!)

weird stuff.................

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I haven't made it yet - but someone just said it was a "customized" box.......not sure where that is located at though! LOL - I'm sooo much help right?
Eresh found it. The sleep-deprived box is not a customized box. It's in the list of general symptoms provided. They are in alphabetical order so it's at the bottom of the list on the right.

It's not surprising to me that MDs don't know much about NFP. It's not medical or pharmaceutical. It follows normal, natural bodily functions, something MDs are not educated about. MDs are educated in disease and illness.

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MW- you are right. Plus, they can't sell it or make anything off of it. It's totally up to the patient. They can't track or measure it. The docs can't make it work. I'm sure it frustrates them. But I like it. I'm in total control. No side effects, everything works as it should. It's just following normal, natural ways.

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I was going to say that I would POAS in the morning if I doesn't arrive before then but now I'm feeling a tad crampy.

It's just so weird to me that my luteal phase is jumping around like this. I know my 10 Sept cycle had a long luteal phase, but that was the cycle where I wasn't sure of my exact O day though I left it at FF's crosshairs. The morning FF has pegged as O was when DS woke me up at 0300 and we had The Great Bink Hunt and I got back to sleep around 0400 and temped at 0600. But I didn't have enough temps after to ignore that temp and still get crosshairs.

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eresh: But with only 2 cycles to look at, you can't tell if the 10 or the 14 day LP is "normal." Since this LP is looking longer, I'd assume the 10 day is the off one.

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eresh: But with only 2 cycles to look at, you can't tell if the 10 or the 14 day LP is "normal." Since this LP is looking longer, I'd assume the 10 day is the off one.


Eresh ~ I saw that your O day for the Sept cycle is iffy but probably not more than a day or two. That would still give you a 12-13 day lp for that cycle.

I changed my FF stats again to include only the 3 ovulatory cycles since my m/c in July. From those it gives me an average O day of cd22 and a 13 day lp. That means I could O a week or more earlier than I would have normally expected. So much for my romantic possibly oops weekend over New Year's. If I O earlier, it will be when we have guests so there won't be much going on here.

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I wanted to share my crazy chart for other newly PP BFing mamas...I'm 11 weeks PP now and phew, this is tough! It's a bit of an exciting challenge though...
I only started temping about a week ago, when I was seeing enough fertile CM to convince me to. I don't temp at the same time every day, just at the longest stretch of sleep (usually 3-4 hours).
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We took a NFP class through the Couple to Couple league back in 2005.. It was going great until user error ("I never ovulate before x day") resulted in our daughter (whom we love) B. I can't use hormonal birth control and I'm getting tired of abstaining/using other birth control all month long while waiting for my period to arrive at some point in time. So, back to charting we are.

FF is being weird and has given me early cross-hairs but I think they are wrong and I'm waiting for things to readjust themselves. I typically have 29-35 day cycles and when charting last time I seemed to have a 10 day luteal phase. It's nice to know when to expect my period again instead of just guessing that it will show up eventually.

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lyterae: thanks, i added you!

I find it intersting that so many doctors think that FAM is so "medieval." I've tried telling drs. that it isn't the rhythm method, but no luck there. I will definitely lie about the date of my LMP whenever that becomes necessary for dating pregnancy. And there are a few EDD calculators online that let you figure from O date.

Speaking of which, my temp was up again today to 97.7, though I took it an hour late because I forgot to set my alarm. Yesterday I had a little bit of EWCF in the morning, but by the end of the day it was def. creamy, and it didn't feel like the "super fertile slippery" EWCF, either. So I'm counting it as creamy on FF, just so it doesn't screw me up, but make a note of it on paper. We'll see! I guess in a way I'm almost suprised I ovulated, though interestingly it was on CD 41, and last cycle I O'd on CD 42.

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I will definitely lie about the date of my LMP whenever that becomes necessary for dating pregnancy.
I understand your reasoning behind this. It's easier than trying to argue with the docs. However, I think it's important for those of us who use this method to speak up about it and show the medical professionals that we know what we're doing and we know what we're talking about. After seeing my OB with ds2's pregnancy a few times he announced to a medical student that I was the type of patient every doc should want because I was informed and knew what I wanted and didn't wanted. Maybe that also influenced that medical student so that she'll give more credence to the woman who comes to her using NFP and knows what's going on with her body.

If you are honest and confident and insistent, there's nothing they can do but disagree with you. They can't force you to be induced because they think you're overdue when you're not. As long as you know what's up, you don't have to worry about that. Also, many places now do dating u/ses at around 9-10w that would confirm your date rather than theirs. Then when they start freaking out that your pg is not progressing as they think it should you can remain calm and just say, "I told you so."

As to your chart, even if you adjust your temp down, it would still be above your CL.

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soooooooo - what'da girls think?

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One thing is forsure and that is that my CM has DRIED up! I went from super super abundant amounts of clear EWCF to just a little scant amount a few times yesterday (almost like semen residue or something, like the leftovers) to DRY today! I think the only time of my cycle when I am dry is before my period.
I think 'really' charting has saved me probably at least 20 bucks in pregnancy tests! LOL
On another note - if it turns out that I did ovulate (I think I did) what is the rule? Tomorrow night is ok to DTD if I get another high temp tomorrow morning?

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Yup, another temp over 97.5 and you're good to go! ...as long as things stay dried up, which given those temperatures I'm fairly certain they will. That looks like a pretty clear thermal shift with a pre-O dip, even!


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Yup, another temp over 97.5 and you're good to go! ...as long as things stay dried up, which given those temperatures I'm fairly certain they will. That looks like a pretty clear thermal shift with a pre-O dip, even!


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I don't remember who it was that asked, but yes I'd like to be added in to the list. I was giving myself a few days to see if I was actually going to stick with it this time, but I'm still here so....

DH and I have been using FAM pretty unofficially since getting married two years ago (ie, I keep forgetting to temp, but I'm always aware of how long my cycles are, and watching for signs of CM or ovulation pains). I consider that success, especially considering it's often been halfhearted (I'm ready to ttc, but he's not yet). We're looking at ttc sometime this winter, so I figure I'll start charting full time again, and that way at least I'll be able to know more accurately where I'm at.

In good news, now that I have temps in the beginning of my cycle for this wakeup time, I can see what was happening last cycle (I guess on my pre-o temps based on previous charts).

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CD1! Yay for a break from temping. Boo for cramps

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Yup, another temp over 97.5 and you're good to go! ...as long as things stay dried up, which given those temperatures I'm fairly certain they will. That looks like a pretty clear thermal shift with a pre-O dip, even!
I agree with this except for one thing. With a clear and sustained thermal shift, you don't need to worry about your CF. So, if tomorrow's temp is above 97.5 but you get wetter CF, you can ignore the CF and consider yourself safe after 6 pm and from then after.

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I agree with this except for one thing. With a clear and sustained thermal shift, you don't need to worry about your CF. So, if tomorrow's temp is above 97.5 but you get wetter CF, you can ignore the CF and consider yourself safe after 6 pm and from then after.

You read my mind! I was just gonna ask what I was souposed to do with my CF......
If I was just using a CF only method this would only be 2nd day post peak, which means that tomorrow is off until the NEXT night.

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