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#181 of 476 Old 12-12-2009, 06:51 PM
 
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Ok, so I posted awhile back in the main board-but is everyone here in a relationship? Do women chart while not in one? Do they do nothing, or use hormones?
I am married, but if I was not I would probably still chart. I don't really see what the advantage would be to using hormones...

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Sooooo - I'm 8dpo and I am wondering why my boobs aren't hurting! LOL

I have never officially charted before, but normally my boobs always tell me that either AF is due soon or its about time to POAS.......

My boobs didn't hurt before my first PPAF and now they feel like........nothing! And I am even nursing!!!

Anyways, just wondering if anyone has any idea why this might be? Just the "new me" so to speak, or do breasts become tender even MORE dpo? I am 'pretty sure' I have a decently long LP, but this is just a hunch from my previous charting fiasco - LOL
I think it could be different for different women and even in different cycles for the same woman. In my case, for example, my boobs are usually quite tender and sore around O and the first part of my luteal phase. Today (10 dpo) all of a sudden they aren't sore anymore. And some cycles they don't really get sore as much (although still a bit). And then sometimes just before my period they can get a little sore again...it just varies! HTH.

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I finally looked up the info about a triphasic pattern in TCOYF. It does not mention anything about them having to stay up until 18dpo or that all pg charts should show a triphasic pattern. So, now I don't know where I read that. Sorry for passing along incorrect info. TCOYF does say that if you see a third level of temps beyong the typical biphasic pattern, you are most certainly pregnant. Well, I think we've all seen that's not true.

I told someone I'd look up the one-tenth of a degree temp rise. It's called a slow-rise pattern. Here's how it works. If your temp goes up 1/10 degree above the highest of the previous 6 temps, draw your CL through that temp. Then if you have 4 consecutive temps that stay above that CL and your CF dries up, you can consider yourself safe on the 4th high temp day. I hope that make sense.

I posted a message asking why my temps were all open circles. The person who answered said that FF defaults to the earliest time temp if you take your temp at varying times. She said that after a while it should switch to my most common temp time. I still don't see why the s/w would be confused since all my other temps are taken within the same half hour. Oh well.

I have a feeling this is going to be a more stressful cycle for me since dh is home. Now it kind of matters when I O.

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MM- I really don't have faith in LAM being effective eating such an extravagant diet that we all have. I just know way too many people who are pregnant again (unexpectedly) a few months PP. And I always go from a BIP of sticky to a day or two of creamy, then BAM! EWCF for 3-4 days. So creamy CF makes me nervous enough to chart so soon!
Ok, I get why creamy CM makes you nervous! But you might want to read up on ecological breastfeeding. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing is a great resource. They have a data from a couple of studies, one in 1971 that found an average length of amenorrhea of 10.2 months for breastfeeding mothers, the other in 1986 found that ecological breastfeeding mothers averaged 14.6 months of amenorrhea. All subjects in the studies were CCL grads, so I'd assume they were eating a fairly extravagant diet.

You should always check CP at the same time every day b/c it does change over the course of the day. TAoNFP recommends checking at night.

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I finally looked up the info about a triphasic pattern in TCOYF. It does not mention anything about them having to stay up until 18dpo or that all pg charts should show a triphasic pattern. So, now I don't know where I read that. Sorry for passing along incorrect info. TCOYF does say that if you see a third level of temps beyong the typical biphasic pattern, you are most certainly pregnant. Well, I think we've all seen that's not true.
Yeah, especially since "third level" is not really defined. I think every other chart of mine is triphasic if you just say that.

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Haha, yes. Not that I really trust it at 9 dpo. I have a ton of tests. I'll probably test tomorrow morning again if my temp is still not trending down, and trust that if it says negative. I don't think I'm pregnant though, I am starting to get EW like I often do a few days before AF.

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It seems like I'm consistently getting sticky CF for several days before AF but I hardly get any EWCF, even before O. I hope this doesn't negatively affect TTC when we do start.

MW: Weren't you basically being open to possibilities while your DH was home? I mean so far as knowing when you're Oing being stressful. Or do you want to know so it's not an accident if you do BD before O?

Regarding LAM, my first cycle was at 14 months, basically as soon as I stopped pumping. I met all the criteria for ecological BFing for the first 4 months, then I went back to work and DS went into daycare. I still coslept and nursed on demand while with him and pumped 3-4 times a day at work. Then at 13 months I started transitioning him to almond milk and he started getting most of his nutrition from solids and I immediately started cycling. I don't know if they were annovulatory or not though.

Next time around I'm really hoping to practice LAM. That's part of why I really don't want an oops now even though I really, really want to get pregnant like RIGHT NOW. I want DH to be reassured that we could actually avoid using LAM.

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Yeah, especially since "third level" is not really defined.
According to the study FF did on triphasic charts, they say the triphasic shift has to be significant, at least 3/10 of a degree. That seems like a bit much to me, though.

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MW: Weren't you basically being open to possibilities while your DH was home? I mean so far as knowing when you're Oing being stressful.
Yes, I'm open to getting pg. That's why waiting for O will be so stressful. I want to hurry up and get it over with so I can know whether or not I'm pg. Since my cycles have been so long and irregular in the past, waiting to O has always been the stressful part for me.

I'm very confused right now about the whole thing. I'm really feeling right now like I don't want to have another baby. However, I can't seem to get myself to the point where I'm willing to really TTA. It's like I don't want another baby but I can't let go of it. Does that mean that there is still a part of me that does want another baby or am I just afraid of shutting that door for good? I don't think I could handle another baby so completely independent on me. I don't think I could handle having 3 LOs that I have to take care of constantly. Whenever my 2yo wants to nurse I feel so imposed upon. Most of the time I can't even stand him touching me. I'm just so tired, physically and emotionally. For all practical purposes, it really sounds like I should not have another baby. So, why can't I just stop myself?

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Me again. My temps have done something wacky the past 2 days. It almost looks like it could be the beginning of a thermal shift except that there's no way. First, I'm only on cd12 so, if it were a thermal shift, that would put O on cd10. Second, I've had barely any CF at all, much less EWCF. I know it's not O and I know it's not a thermal shift. It's just weird. I don't know what would make my temps go up like that for 2 days, especially since it got colder here, like freezing, those 2 days. Maybe having the heat on except that I've had the heat on at the same temp all this cycle except Wednesday when it was in the mid-70s outside. I just don't get it.

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MW: Your chart link didn't work? And I completely understand the stress of waiting to O! It seems to me, based on previous posts that you have written, that you don't seem to really want another baby right now...but you are also seeing this as your last chance, right? So maybe your heart is thinking, "well, what if I want one in a year? this is my only chance" kind of thing? Maybe. It's like you have to try to predict the rest of your fertility life-wishes right now! Not sure why your temp would be up...but you definitely know your body, so at least you don't have to be too confused about it.

AFM: 9 DPO, temp still 97.9. However, I'm not giving up hope yet, because I did a search on FF of pregnancy charts with a low post-O temp, and some of those temperatures are lower than mine, even with a similar coverline! Thankfully, I'm not obsessing too much about it.

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Me again. My temps have done something wacky the past 2 days. It almost looks like it could be the beginning of a thermal shift except that there's no way. First, I'm only on cd12 so, if it were a thermal shift, that would put O on cd10. Second, I've had barely any CF at all, much less EWCF. I know it's not O and I know it's not a thermal shift. It's just weird. I don't know what would make my temps go up like that for 2 days, especially since it got colder here, like freezing, those 2 days. Maybe having the heat on except that I've had the heat on at the same temp all this cycle except Wednesday when it was in the mid-70s outside. I just don't get it.

Oops. Forgot my chart.
Well if you did O on that day, that would certainly be interesting!

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Hi! Just checking in. I have been relying on my diaphragm. My kids have not been sleeping through the night so I don't really trust what the thermometer says. They come into my bed and fall right back asleep, but then I end up moving to my son's bed or escorting someone back to their bed. We all have a stomach virus this week, too.

I really, really want to get back into it this week.
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I completely and utterly forgot to temp this morning. No idea why. Didn't even remember until mid morning that I was supposed to temp. Oh well, at CD8 it shouldn't matter TOO much.

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I completely and utterly forgot to temp this morning. No idea why. Didn't even remember until mid morning that I was supposed to temp. Oh well, at CD8 it shouldn't matter TOO much.
I did that yesterday, which was bad timing since I'm gearing up to O and really wanted accurate temps right now after a few days of unexplained high temps. le sigh.

MW: It looks like our charts are doing the same things, and I can't find any reason why either. My temps seem to be very slowly going up now, although they were fantasticly even the first few days.

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Try this for my chart

Yeah, WWC, I think a lot of it has to do with feeling like my time is running out. I keep telling myself that, if it doesn't happen now, I'll still have this summer. The older we get, though, the more adamant my dh gets about not having more. And, of course, it becomes harder to get and stay pg as one gets older. Since we already have trouble with that, I get more anxious about it the older I get.I have no idea when or for how long my dh will be home after this school he's going to. He'll come back here to e new unit and will have to fall into their deployment schedule regardless of how much he was gone before. So, he might come home in June and leave for another 7 months right away. We have no way of knowing how things will be because we don't even know what unit he'll be assigned to. I could be 41+ before we're together again for any significant time. I don't want to be 42 or 45 and still wanting another baby. Ok, done with my whine (for now ).

I've got a CF/semen question. Is it possible to have semen masking CF 2 days after dtd? We dtd Friday night. I'm always confused by my CF the day after dtd so I don't really know what it was yesterday. I put sticky because that's what it was the day before and I don't usually get fertile CF this early in my cycle. This morning I had what looked and felt like ewcf. It was clear, shiny, slippery and stretched just about an inch. Do you all think it's possible that it's still left over semen?

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MW: I don't think that semen can last two days...maybe it was really and truly EWCF, and you'll O soon!

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MW: It looks like our charts are doing the same things, and I can't find any reason why either.
I think you are right. I looked at some previous charts and noticed that my temp goes up around cd9-12 and then drops back down.


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MW: I don't think that semen can last two days...maybe it was really and truly EWCF, and you'll O soon!
I hope you're right. I don't think it's supposed to last that long. It would be nice if I Oed at a normal time. I'm on my 2nd cycle of metformin so that might make my O earlier and more consistent.

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MW - I'm almost positive semen doesn't last that long, otherwise it would be the "every other TWO days" rule

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MW - I'm almost positive semen doesn't last that long, otherwise it would be the "every other TWO days" rule
good point. it seems very strange that i would go from just starting to get a little bit of sticky to ewcf in 2 days. i checked internally and there's definitely some slippery, stretchy stuff in there.

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Me again. Looking back at my last 3 charts, I did start to get ewcf at cd12 or cd13 immediately after only sticky CF. So, I guess this isn't so strange for me. If I get the 9 days of ewcf like my last 2 cycles, I should O on the 21st. It'll be interesting to see if my prediction holds up.

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my chart

Today is day 3 of the same temp... Kinda strange. It looks my my LP is going to be more than 10 days, I'm waiting for a temp dip to signal the upcoming AF and it hasn't hit yet. So far I feel pretty good, the normal lower backache hasn't arrived yet. I do have some acne starting though (seems to hit around O time and then right before AF).

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Lyterae: yay for a longer AF!

MW: I bet the Metaformin will help regulate, or at least affect, O...when I was researching PCOS, I saw that some women with PCOS go on Metaformin to have it help regulate their cycles.

AFM: Temp drop this morning, but still above my CL...I guess I should expect AF tomorrow, but I'm not feeling PMS-y, and my skin is still clear...but still, a 10 day LP is NOT long enough! I think that next cycle, I will just see if my improved diet helps things along. If not, I will take the Vitex during my LP of the cycle after that. Based on my super long fertile time, and my shorter LP, and excess CF during the LP (honestly, the Creamy CF I've recorded, esp. yesterday, should probably have been put as EWCF since it was stretchy!) I still think that my estrogen/progesterone ratios are mixed up. ARGH!!! I hate that this is all trial and error!

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MW: I bet the Metaformin will help regulate, or at least affect, O...when I was researching PCOS, I saw that some women with PCOS go on Metaformin to have it help regulate their cycles.

AFM: Temp drop this morning, but still above my CL...I guess I should expect AF tomorrow, but I'm not feeling PMS-y, and my skin is still clear...but still, a 10 day LP is NOT long enough! I think that next cycle, I will just see if my improved diet helps things along. If not, I will take the Vitex during my LP of the cycle after that. Based on my super long fertile time, and my shorter LP, and excess CF during the LP (honestly, the Creamy CF I've recorded, esp. yesterday, should probably have been put as EWCF since it was stretchy!) I still think that my estrogen/progesterone ratios are mixed up. ARGH!!! I hate that this is all trial and error!
Yeah, I took metformin when ttc ds2 and 3. It seemed to make me O earlier and I kept those babies, obviously, rather than m/cing.

A 10 day lp might be ok. TCOYF says it's borderline for supporting pg. If you've been timing BD well for several cycles and haven't gotten pg, then it might be considered a problem. Are you sure it's safe to take Vitex during your lp? I think someone told me you aren't supposed to take it once you might be pg.

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A 10 day lp might be ok. TCOYF says it's borderline for supporting pg. If you've been timing BD well for several cycles and haven't gotten pg, then it might be considered a problem.
Back in 2005 when I was charting I had a 10 or 12 day LP. I only charted for 5 cycles (coming off of birth control) and then ended up pregnant with my daughter. I think a 10 day LP could be okay, not ideal, but okay.

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Yeah, I've been under the impression that 10 made it 'possible', but just not ideal chances of conceiving.

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I know I'm getting way ahead of myself so I'm trying not to get too excited but I'm wondering if I might've Oed yesterday. I probably didn't but...if I ignore those two weird high temps on cd11 and 12, which seem to be typical for me but haven't factored into my CL previously, I've had 2 days of ewcf and my temp shot up this am. I definitely had ewcf yesterday so I'm certain what I saw on Sunday was also ewcf and not left over semen. I just looked up the moon phases because I've been having fun seeing if or how my cycles line up with that. Today is the new moon. My cycles seem to have been following the moon cycle somewhat the past few cycles, with and/or O happening closer and closer to either the full or new moon. It would be very cool if I Oed around the new moon as well as having a normal O time.

I keep forgetting my chart.

On another note, I think maybe I should bow out of this thread. I don't think we are CTA anymore. Dh looked at my chart and asked me where I was in my cycle the other day but has made no attempt to use withdrawal and has not said anything about it. He saw that I had fertile CF. I'm also feeling much more like getting pg right now would be a wonderful thing. Funny what hormones can do to me. I might still hang around for a while, maybe at least until I O, and then lurk. I don't want to annoy you all with my wonderings about being pg.

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I don't mind you staying around MW! I love living vicariously through others while they wait to find out if they are preggo! Plus you have lots of good info!

AFM: Just hanging out in the middle of my LP. FF says I'm 6 DPO...I guess so. Not too concerned as long as AF shows up before Christmas Eve. I don't want to be in pain during Christmas!

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

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arrived today. Fortuneately, I wasn't feeling very PMS-y yesterday, and my skin is still pretty clear, but I am beyond PO'd this morning! Partly because we are having a horrible insect infestation. And I'm starting to get concerned about my truly irregular cycles...

Anyway. Could I please have someone take over for next month with the thread? We really aren't TTA, and I don't feel right staying on this thread, since I keep hoping I'm pregnant!

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Anyway. Could I please have someone take over for next month with the thread? We really aren't TTA, and I don't feel right staying on this thread, since I keep hoping I'm pregnant!
I spend a little bit of every month hoping that I am pregnant too. I've been ready to TTC for over a year now, just working on getting our finances in order...

MW: I wouldn't mind you staying around either, I can live vicariously through you.

AFM: my chart

Today is 11dpo, I tested my thermometer last night to be sure it wasn't just stuck on 98.6 (day 4 with the same temp now). It gave me a different reading last night so at least I know it's still working. I need to get out my book, I really thought my temp was supposed to vary a little bit at least.

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I hope you guys stay even if you are TTC! I like to live vicariously through you, too! It makes me feel less insane than lurking on the TTC and DDC boards.

AFM:my chart
Now that I have been temping closer to the same time things look less erratic. It actually looks like a fairly normal cycle, which I'm really happy about!! My only complaint is that my CF was creamy every single day, maybe a little more before O but not any EW or clear or stretchy at all. I didn't record it but next month maybe I will. I remember having pretty obvious CF before kids. Oh well. I agree with you guys that my O date was actually a day later than FF shows because I think I felt it while I was driving to work Monday morning. So that was day 16.

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Thanks, guys. Even if I don't stay active. I'll probably at least lurk. And if I don't get pg this month, I'll be back to just charting since dh will be gone again.

lyterae ~ I get flat temps for several days sometimes. I just assume it's because of flat hormones, if that makes sense. In other words, my hormones are stable and even.

tinams8 ~ You did record watery CF, although a bit before O. Some women don't get more fertile than creamy. If you are breastfeeding, your CF might not get very fertile for a while, either. You could try checking internally. You may have a little bit of watery or ewcf at your cervix that doesn't make it's way down and out for you to notice externally.

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yeah, I did, didn't I... that was after checking internally, I think. I'm not breastfeeding (my youngest is 5) but I just got my Mirena out in October so you are probably right about it being part of my hormones adjusting still. Maybe next month.

WWC, I decided I'd try Vitex if my cycles were irregular to see if it would help. I'd be frustrated too, I don't like it when things don't "work" the way I want them to!

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