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Eresh- I think it was you that asked, but I know for me, the o pain is a more localized pain. I feel like I could pinpoint it to within an inch (theoretically of course). It's kind of sharp and uncomfortable, and different than 'cramps' for me, which are more of a whole uterus feeling.

Bettina-- temping will help you to get a lot clearer picture of the thing, especially for the second part of your cycle. It's definately worth picking up a thermometer. As for the rest of the charting- I really think you'd find it easier if you used only one chart. I'm not sure I understand the reasons for multiple, but it seems like they're confusing you. Keep just one chart, and essentially if you see Any cervical fluid, especially so new to charting, you really need to be using a backup method. It doesn't matter if it's not EW, or if you haven't felt o pain- any cervical fluid before o really, means that you could potentially be fertile. And seeing as you're too early into charting to know your patterns, then you can only depend on the present. Definately any day that FF shows as green- regardless of if your other charts agree-- you need to be using backup. Hope this helps!

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Hehe. So, what do you all mean by snotty? To me, that describes more color than anything else. Like "normal" EW is mucousy and slippery but mostly clear, sometimes whitish. Snotty would be like EW except yellowish or maybe even greenish. It's all the same, though, if it's slippery and stretchy, EW. The color doesn't really matter.
The snotty I was having trouble with awhile back is a lot like this description. But it is different than my EW, less slippery, more substantial if you know what I mean. When it's wiped onto the toilet paper, it looks exactly like the snot of a bad cold. Really quite disgusting actually.

The boogery stuff other people mentioned, I just call sticky. The above snotty I've been known to call creamy on my chart, personally, but I think it could also be EW. Since "snotty" is not an official FAM distinction.

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So the next question is do you guys want me to let you know if/when I get knocked up?
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Cramping today...may be ovulation pain or implantation pain. i sincerely hope the first.

had a terrible dream last night about getting pregnant and it was a big to-do. doctors scrambling, angry DP, terrified me. oy, dont want to feel like that anymore.

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Bettina: Oh, I hope you feel better about things soon! That does sound like a nastry dream.

re: snotty: "boogery" I also call sticky, because it really truly feels that way between my fingers. The other "snotty" I call creamy if it is less than 1/2 inch and is completely opaque. Had some of that yesterday. If it is streaked with clear, and stretches more than 1/2 inch, I call it EW.

4 DPO! Enjoying this whole DPO because I get it so rarely! lol And Oing on CD 32 is 9 days earlier than last time, and 10 days earlier than the time before that!

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Thanks wwc! Hope your DPO ends with a BFP!!

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Wholewheatchick- Yay for dpo!!!


Bettina- I agree, you definitely need a thermometer. That would help soooooooo much. That's like the best and biggest part of charting.

Eresh- Good luck with your not preventing situation. I hope you get a BFP soon, and definitely let us know if you are pregnant!
As for your ovulation question...for me, the cramping is usually over the ovaries. I will get it on one side more than the other, but it does happen on both sides on certain days. It's not in the middle where my uterus is though. I guess the both sides thing could be because the follicles are maturing on both sides and that can cause cramping on both sides as well?? I'm really not sure but I can definitely tell when I'm ovulating for a week because of the wicked ache like and stabby pains on both sides.

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CD 1!!!! After a 66 day cycle.

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Emily: Yay for an earlier O! I hope this trend continues.

Bettina: I agree with everyone else, you totally need a thermometer. This month I only had eggwhite CM earlier in the month and my actual O date was several days later.

MamaGwynn: That is one long cyle... I hope this one is shorter for you.

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Cramping question aside, it looks like I'm going to be leaving you guys. Dh has not asked about where I am in my cycle and wedtd without bc yesterday. So while he's not on board with actively ttc he's ok with letting things happen. So the next question is do you guys want me to let you know if/when I get knocked up?
YES! <-- you can have ALL of mine

MamaGwyn: That's epic

Cass: It IS easier to "start" with less debt -- and just think of your DD being able to fetch and carry while you're nursing. . . s

Bettina: I did the Billings-no-therm thing (ahem, until I got pregnant with DS) -- I felt pretty confident just charting CM, but I think the error-that-was-DS was missing a delayed O (and I'm glad for it, though I was scared at the time)

On the snot -- mine is like BFS's -- almost like EWCF, but thicker and less stretchy -- I only get it in my LP, and makes me worry that it's NOT my LP, if you KWIM. . .

I got a nice normal LP temp today. I'm hoping for 2 more nice mid 97 degree temps
waiting. . .

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Whew, Amanda! Finally!

Emily ~ Yay for cycles getting shorter.

Rara ~ Could be O.

Betinna ~ If you aren't going to temp then you need to follow the CF rules. Like everyone has said, anything other than your BIP should be considered fertile. Once you start getting CF, you have to wait for 4 consecutive days of complete CF dry up before you can consider yourself safe again. However, if you start to get any CF again, you have to go back to considering yourself fertile. Also, I don't think you can use the 1st 5 days rule without confirmation of O with temps since CF and O pain and all those other signs cannot confirm O. Just because they can't confirm O does not mean that you aren't fertile and won't O soon or didn't O if your CF dries up. It's precisely the fact that you cannot know when you will O (even with regular cycles) that you need to pay attention to your signs of impending O.

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i charted again today, another watery low closed day...

i dunno whats going on with my cervix but this is a whole week with it.

still just cramping and having a bit of heaviness in my abdomen, no other worriesome symptoms.

gonna be safe wearing protection until AF.

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Bettina - We used Creighton, which is a CM only model, after my cycles came back when DS was born. I was still BFing him. I had never ever ever had a cycle that wasn't exactly 30 days, and I had never had a double peak cycle before, but BFing for the cycle when DD was conceived caused my CM to look like ovulation when I didn't actually ovulate. I ovulated again almost 10 days later, and now we have DD.

If I had been taking my temp, I would have known that the first peak was not ovulation. Not that I would take it back, but now I know for next time. I think if your cycles aren't exact or if you have anything that could interfere with them (excessive stress or travel, for instance) CM doesn't seem so sure-fire to me anymore.

Good luck to you. This whole thing has been pretty confusing to me.

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On the snot -- mine is like BFS's -- almost like EWCF, but thicker and less stretchy -- I only get it in my LP, and makes me worry that it's NOT my LP, if you KWIM. . .
I usually only get it during my LP, too, and same: sooooo glad for temping and thermal shifts so that I'm not second guessing every single observation of CF during my LP

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I forgot, on the "more substantial" CF. I'm not sure I understand that. My EW is my most substantial CF. I get lots of it and it's very easy to observe and feel. The other stuff is very scant and hard to figure out. For example, today I've been having more smooth, I guess, not slippery CF. It's not like the sticky I get at the beginning of my cycle, which is mostly just shiny but nothing I can pick up, but it's definitely not my EW, either. I'm going to call it creamy because it seems more wet than sticky would be. It's white but there really isn't enough there for me to really tell what it is.

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I vaguely recall that I may have had O pain (dull pain on one side) but I didn't really know it was O pain at that time. So happy to be charting and actually know what's going on with my body

What I had yesterday was sharp cramping in my uterus, not on one side.

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Is it okay for me to post here with a question? I recently read Taking Charge of Your Fertility and I'd like to use the methods outlined in that book to avoid pregnancy.

However--the author states that I need to take my temperature after being asleep for three straight hours. How important is this? Because between my 18 month old (who still nurses frequently) in bed with me, and my loud and ornery cat, my sleeping schedule is extremely erratic. I never know when I will be awoken, and some nights I might not have more than 2 hours of sleep at once. My typical pattern is basically go to bed around midnight, wake up several times with ds to nurse, probably be woken up around 7 am by the cat meowing in my ear, go back to sleep for a bit, wake up for good around 9 am. With this pattern, should I still bother to take my temperature? And if so, when?

I'm going to be charting the other two signs for sure, and I'd like to do temperature too, but if the three hour thing is a fast rule I guess I won't be able to.

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I would chart temp (probably around 7am) even though it might not be definate. It's still nice to have a baseline, just make sure you mark which days you did and didn't get sufficient rest. You may find too that your body only takes 2 hours to get back to 'normal', so you won't need the three. I think as long as you're getting into a fairly deep sleep, that's the more important thing. Or you could try temping at your longest stretch- How long does ds go in between nursings? If you nurse at say 3am, and then not again for a few hours, then maybe set an alarm for 6am just to temp, and then go back to sleep afterwards.

At any rate-- You can definately still do the other two signs, and use the temps to try to 'confirm' your findings. My guess is you'd still be able to see a thermal shift, though it may take longer for you to confirm it.

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I would chart temp (probably around 7am) even though it might not be definate. It's still nice to have a baseline, just make sure you mark which days you did and didn't get sufficient rest. You may find too that your body only takes 2 hours to get back to 'normal', so you won't need the three. I think as long as you're getting into a fairly deep sleep, that's the more important thing. Or you could try temping at your longest stretch- How long does ds go in between nursings? If you nurse at say 3am, and then not again for a few hours, then maybe set an alarm for 6am just to temp, and then go back to sleep afterwards.

At any rate-- You can definately still do the other two signs, and use the temps to try to 'confirm' your findings. My guess is you'd still be able to see a thermal shift, though it may take longer for you to confirm it.
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dillpicklechick ~ I charted for a long time while both ds2 and ds3 nursed throughout the night. It worked fine for me. The time that you temp isn't as important as being consistent. I think TCOYF says as long as you temp within the same hour you should be good. I'd pick the time that you usually get the longest stretch of sleep.

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dillpicklechip: This question comes up a lot here! Most women seem to do fine with minor disturbances (waking briefly and not leaving the bed). Longer disturbances are more likely to influence temps. I recommend temping at 2 times for one cycle: once after your typical longest stretch, and once at your normal wake time, and see which gives you the clearest temp pattern. I think even if your temps are disturbed by night waking, it's better to have something to look at than no temps at all. It still may be possible to see a temp rise to confirm O.

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So i finally am getting EWCM...so i am thankful for that. Means i wont get pregnant this cycle. Last sexual encounter was Sunday, and i will probably O this week, so about 5 days since dtd, no sperm left alive by now...so i assume i am fertile and need to be careful.

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Bettina: Congrats on the EWCM! Hey, I saw your chart on the cervical position thread -- (I am always second guessing my CP, too, so I was glad for your question) You can always post your chart here, too - I think it helps the ladies to get a visual on where you are in your cycle!

AFM: Day 2 of 97.3 whoohoo. Getting close. . .
My Ovulation Chart
Just for fun, do you guys think I really just ed? on FF
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Advanced doesn't want to call it until I get another high temp (then CD 18) and
Research says CD 14
I haven't had EWCM since CD 16 (and then it was just one random patch on an otherwise dry day) Frankly, I never got the "feeling" this month -- definitely no gas station ogling at ALL. Maybe just because of the flu. . .

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AFM: Day 2 of 97.3 whoohoo. Getting close. . .
My Ovulation Chart
Just for fun, do you guys think I really just ed? on FF
FAM says CD13,
Advanced doesn't want to call it until I get another high temp (then CD 18) and
Research says CD 14
I haven't had EWCM since CD 16 (and then it was just one random patch on an otherwise dry day) Frankly, I never got the "feeling" this month -- definitely no gas station ogling at ALL. Maybe just because of the flu. . .
Raraavis- I would say you probably 2 dpo, based on temps and CF dry up. However, I'd wait another day or so to be sure.

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Bettina: Yay for EWCM!! I know how frustrating it is to have so much seemingly "fertile" mucus when it leads to nothing!

Kimmiepie: yay! How much fun to have that many babies!

Rara: hm...I don't know! I''m tempted to say CD 18 but that doesn't line up with your CF, but then you have EWCF on that slightly higher temp day...

AFM: 5 DPO, feeling kind of crampy, nipples still hurt a lot. And wow, is my sex drive like nill! I guess because I have fertile CF for so long that I kind of get used to that "interest level" or something, but not there last night. Poor DH!

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Okay, I have to ask you ladies to take a look and tell me what you think of my chart. I'm on CD17 and I kind of thought I O'd on CD15 but when I temped this morning I got 97.99 when usually it would be higher based on my cycle history if I'd actually O'd. In fact I was so surprised I temped twice (this being with vaginal temping). The second temp was 98.06. So if I put in 98.1 in FF, no xhairs, as expected. If I put in my first temp, 98.0, it gives me weird weird xhairs. (I think FF is smoking crack again). Then, to complicate matters further, I swear I have a little bit of EWCF today. (TMI: After a BM, I felt a little bit wet and checked again with a kleenex, and swear there was a little bit of EW but at least definitely wet CF). Well, I guess my temp tomorrow will tell.



Okay ... I changed it to FAM from Advanced setting and it took the weird xhairs away.

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Eresh: No way would I put O on CD 14. CD 15 is possible, but you'll have to wait for tomorrow's temp. FF is nuts.

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Bettina ~ I hope this is it for you soon. FWIW, I've read sperm can live up to 6 days so you're not necessarily out of the woods if you O by Friday.

Rara ~ I'd say possibly cd18 but, like Kim said, you need to wait for one more high temp (as you know).

Eresh ~ I'm with Shannon. I say O possibly on cd15 but you don't have a complete thermal shift yet. Same advice as to Rara. One more higher temp tomorrow might be it, except for the open circle for today. That makes things less definite.

FF has been acting wacky, lately. When I first had it set to FAM it was trying to say my O day was cd11 or 12 even though I had days of ewcf after that and my temps didn't really go up. When I switched it to Advanced it set my O day to cd15, which makes sense to me, until I put in my temp for today. Then it changed O to cd16. I switched it back to FAM and it put O day back on cd15. I have no idea what it's doing but I think cd15 was it.

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So i finally am getting EWCM...so i am thankful for that. Means i wont get pregnant this cycle. Last sexual encounter was Sunday, and i will probably O this week, so about 5 days since dtd, no sperm left alive by now...so i assume i am fertile and need to be careful.
Hey Bettina, I checked out your chart in the other thread, and I hope for your sake that o holds off a few more days, but technically, not your sunday dtd was not safe. If you're having fertile fluid like that, and any EW, as you did, then it's not safe. Afterwards once you get o, you can look back and see if it was far enough away, but as the days are happening you have to basically assume that you could be o'ing on each one of them. For instance, if you o'ed today, then that dtd sunday definately has the chance to get you pregnant. Technically, as per your chart, you should be considering yourself fertile right from the 15th onwards. Like I said, hopefully you're not, but at least this way you know for next time!

Rara- I think it's possible you did, but I wouldn't know which day to call it.

Congrats Kimmie!!! How exciting!

Eresh- you have sleep deprived marked for today, could that be the odd temp? I thikn you're stuck seeing what tomorrow says though.

AFM: I spent the day pouting on the couch alternating between pain and sadness. CD1 here. It's amazing when you 'succeed' at something (preventing pregnancy) how much it can hurt. I'm still hoping DH changes his mind before February, but he just got his clinical schedule and I'm feeling a little doomed.

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AFM: I spent the day pouting on the couch alternating between pain and sadness. CD1 here. It's amazing when you 'succeed' at something (preventing pregnancy) how much it can hurt. I'm still hoping DH changes his mind before February, but he just got his clinical schedule and I'm feeling a little doomed.
That's hard. I go through something similar every cycle that dh was either able to w/d or he's gone and I know there's no chance of a pg.

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I'm a control freak and not very good at delayed gratification. Does that come through at all?


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