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#121 of 654 Old 06-04-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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Agree with both-- o possible, and cd41.

Not on ravelry... I keep looking at it, every time I go to find a pattern, and you have to sign up, but I've been avoiding. I certainly don't need an excuse to obsess more!! And the problem with the yarn, is that most of it is crappy stuff I was given in bulk when my grandmother passed away. There's a few balls of nice stuff I'm excited to work with, but the majority is pretty blah that I'm just forcing myself to use up first.

RE: Luteal phase. Other than the 14 day one, I really am pretty confident on all the other O days. They seem very clear to me. So we're essentially left with cyst, or hormonal imbalance? Yay, those sound exciting. lol. It seems funny because I would expect for there to be an "issue" it should be such a bigger difference month to month, but I just kept having that 1-2 day mark in my head, and finally went and checked. Mine waries 1-4 days technically. le sigh. I'll probably just leave it, and after a few months of whatevering if I'm starting to get worried, then I think that puts me back at when I need to go for my yearly physical anyways. My doc is pretty good about my charting, and she trusts my interpretations.

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AF came this morning! Here was my chart. I wish I could show you all my charts as I am wondering what my LP is. This month it was 13 days from what FF says. But I have had 10-14 day LP since charting on FF.
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Um...UFOs? I've obviously missed something.
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To all you ladies who knit, you should be hanging out on the Ravelry forums if you're not already; tremendous fun is had there!

Here is my final chart for last month (scroll down). I moved the O day back one more day so that the 10 day LP would fit with my usual 10-12 day. I looked back, and a 23 day cycle is shorter than anything I've ever had before. I wish I had a print out somewhere so I could figure out what has made my cycles so short recently! My sister and I have been spending a lot of time together, and we started on exactly the same day, and I've heard annecdotally that those things can be connected, though I don't know if there's any research to bear it out. Oh well.

We're going away for a wedding this weekend with the 2.5 year old...should be "fun" lol.
I am on ravelry same SN if you want to look me up.

From looking through my past charts (and I really only have three good ones-long cycles + lost data) they are all 11 and 12.

I've been playing and playing with the settings on both FF and Ovusoft and I'm just beyond confused. It does look like my temp is still climbing so I'm thinking I did finally O maybe around CD 23 or 34 since the EWCM was last right around there and the OPKs were quite a bit more "almost positive" on days 26 and 27 than day 19.

Every morning when I go to type in my data DH is asking me if I am pg yet since I thought original O was going to be around CD20. This morning I just said it's going to take a couple of weeks still. patience.

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echospiritwarrior: On FF it looks like you may have O'd CD 25. On Ovusoft it looks like you may have O'd CD 26. Why are your temps different on each? And what's the reason for the temp on CD 24? You need one more high temp to confirm a CD 26 O, and I'd encourage you to wait for it, esp. w/the CD 24 temp.

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echo ~ That's confusing because your temps are slightly different in each chart. The data on the FF chart suggests that, using NFP rules, you could consider yourself safe today. On the Ovusoft chart, though, you need at least one more high temp to confirm unless you can ignore the cd20 temp. Using FAM rules, though, you can't confirm O yet. Your CL is 97.6 on the FF chart and you have only 2 temps above that. You need at least one more high temp and that would put your O on cd26. Your CL on Ovusoft is 97.7 and you only have one temp above that. I don't see how you can confirm O for cd23 or 24.

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I don't see how you can confirm O for cd23 or 24.
Yes. Echo, I wonder if you are focusing too much on CM and OPK's. They are really better signs to show when O is approaching, while temps are the gold standard for confirming O has already happened. You should look to CM, CP, and then OPK's, O pain, etc. in roughly that order to confirm what your temps are telling you, but not vice versa. Don't use secondary signs to inform temps.

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the reason the temps are different are because Ovusoft was adjusting, the actual temps are on FF. Because it's getting light earlier I am waking up earlier. I started temping at 6:40 in lieu of 7:15 maybe around CD12

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I got a new thermometer... again! I got the same exact basal thermometer I had before, and the instructions have the different numbers of batteries that it it, so I'm hanging on to them.

We're heading off for the weekend to Osoyoos, which is a warm lake about 5 hours from home. At least some fun things are screwing up my chart, too!

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I've decided to change my wording/thinking to either confirming O or being safe, like NFP does, rather than pinpointing O. I think that's more clear and safer for CTA purposes. So rather than looking at the thermal shift to pinpoint O, I'll just use it to definitively confirm that O has happened at some point at least 3 days ago. (That's all they really do, anyway.) I don't know if that will make a difference for anyone else but I think it will for me. I won't get hung up on exactly when I think O occurred based on CF or CP or opks or whatever. I'll just know from my temps that it did occur and I'm no longer fertile. Does that make sense?

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CD1 for me!!!!! Yay for no baby - boo for feeling like double crap now

Antibiotics are crazy though, I already feel so much better than I did yesterday!

So, off to my 9th month of avoiding and sixth cycle.........stupid long cycles

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I've decided to change my wording/thinking to either confirming O or being safe, like NFP does, rather than pinpointing O. I think that's more clear and safer for CTA purposes. So rather than looking at the thermal shift to pinpoint O, I'll just use it to definitively confirm that O has happened at some point at least 3 days ago. (That's all they really do, anyway.) I don't know if that will make a difference for anyone else but I think it will for me. I won't get hung up on exactly when I think O occurred based on CF or CP or opks or whatever. I'll just know from my temps that it did occur and I'm no longer fertile. Does that make sense?
Yes, that makes perfect sense. And for me, it seems more logical for CTA purposes anyway. You just need to confirm that it O happened and now you are safe rather than pinpointing O. I guess I can see the value in pinpointing O if you were TTC but it doesn't serve a lot of purpose in CTA IMO.

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Yes, that makes perfect sense. And for me, it seems more logical for CTA purposes anyway. You just need to confirm that it O happened and now you are safe rather than pinpointing O. I guess I can see the value in pinpointing O if you were TTC but it doesn't serve a lot of purpose in CTA IMO.
Yep. When TTC it was very important to me to know when I was most fertile so I could maximize BD timing. So, it was important to know when I had ewcf and a hso cp. I didn't have to worry about getting into trouble if I continued to BD after I thought I had Oed based on CF or secondary fertility signs just to find out later I didn't O when I thought. That would actually be good when TTC. Obviously, very bad for CTA. With CTA I only need to know when I start to have CF other than my BIP so I know when I enter my potentially fertile period and then when I have a clear and sustained thermal shift so I know I'm infertile again.

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I've decided to change my wording/thinking to either confirming O or being safe, like NFP does, rather than pinpointing O. I think that's more clear and safer for CTA purposes. So rather than looking at the thermal shift to pinpoint O, I'll just use it to definitively confirm that O has happened at some point at least 3 days ago. (That's all they really do, anyway.) I don't know if that will make a difference for anyone else but I think it will for me. I won't get hung up on exactly when I think O occurred based on CF or CP or opks or whatever. I'll just know from my temps that it did occur and I'm no longer fertile. Does that make sense?
It makes sense to me, and I think that is kind of what I have been doing some cycles.
Like that one cycle where I almost had an oops because O was so early, I wasn't sure exactly when, I was just sure it had happened!
And this last cycle my temps were a little iffy so I waited that one extra day. I still don't know which day I definitely O'd. I either did on CD39 and had a 15day LP or on CD40 and had a 14 day LP.

Really doesn't make much difference if you think about it. Although I do think that I maybe didn't wait until the end of that 4th high temp day seemed to work out ok!!

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Can anyone look at my chart and tell me if you think, based on my Cm since I dont temp, that i o'd around the 12th of May? I dont know and I just cam off the pill in April and still no period. I want to see if I should test and make sure b/c I dont know anything at this point except No AF.
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Can anyone look at my chart and tell me if you think, based on my Cm since I dont temp, that i o'd around the 12th of May? I dont know and I just cam off the pill in April and still no period. I want to see if I should test and make sure b/c I dont know anything at this point except No AF.
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Based on your CF, I would say it's possible O happened around CD 44. If you haven't gotten AF in a week, I would test.

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Can anyone look at my chart and tell me if you think, based on my Cm since I dont temp, that i o'd around the 12th of May? I dont know and I just cam off the pill in April and still no period. I want to see if I should test and make sure b/c I dont know anything at this point except No AF.
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Without temps as you know, you can't confirm but I would say if you have O'd it happened CD 44 or 45 (May 23 or 24). Which puts you at 10-11 dpo right now. I would expect AF within a few days but not freak if she doesn't show because it's quite possible you didn't O. The Pill can really screw things up IME. What makes you think you O'd May 12th?

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CD8 for me 2nd cycle CTA. Still spotting and my temps never went down abruptly...it was more of a minor change every day. My normal temps are around 96F and during my LP it was somewhere at 97F...once I got AF it went down like 1/10 every day. I guess it's normal, it's just my body. I just see on all your charts (or most of them) that temps drop dramatically (like 1degree F). I'm back in the 96F.

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I just see on all your charts (or most of them) that temps drop dramatically (like 1degree F).
My temp doesn't usually drop dramatically right before . Sometimes they stay high for the first few days of the next cycle. That's one reason I don't temp during my lp and .

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I decided I didn't want the constant beeping of the BD one, since I do like to stay in bed snuggled next to my DH and DS while I take my temp sometimes and that would be disruptive.
I too don't really like the constant beep and hiding under the covers or putting my hand around it affects my temp, I think.

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It's hard once you've started charting to shut off that part of your brain though. I'm sure there are women out there who do it without obsessing, but I mean at any given day, i can tell you all my averages (LP, o date, etc) as well as where i am in my cycle, and how fertile I am, etc etc etc. It sure makes you feel a lot less spontaneous when you initiate BD, but are thinking in the back of your mind "hey I'm fertile" "or hey, im not fertile today".
This is EXACTLY how I am when I'm charting. I just can't turn it off in my brain! And I'm also always doing the math, how many days left until O? If we conceive what month would I be due? etc, etc. It's crazy. I can't get it off my brain.

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Isn't it weird how when you were younger and didn't want to get pregnant that you always heard of girls getting BFP from a missed WD, bad counting, etc. but now when you are hoping for an oops they almost never happen?
I was just talking about this w/my bff who is TTC. She worried constantly when she was on the pill about possible failure, but she's been TTC for 2 cycles and hasn't gotten pg. She's pissed she spent $$ on those pills, lol! I agree w/you -- you spend so much energy hoping you won't be a statistic when you're a kid, and now as adults we cling to that minute possibility with all we have in us. So ironic.

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If you don't think it's that and you are going to ttc or at least stop tta in the hopes of getting pg, you might want to have your hormones checked, especially get a 7dpo (not cd21) progesterone check. If you have low progesterone or a weak O (don't ask me exactly what that is), Vitex, clomid or femara can help with that. There might be other things like the maca I'm taking now. Obviously, progesterone supplements from 4dpo on could help.
This is good to know. I had only a 10 day lp this month - really short for me. Do seasons affect LP? With it being warmer maybe it had something to do with it.

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ETA: MissE & MW - if my temp hadn't dropped so dramatically I wouldn't have had ANY idea AF was coming today. I actually temped twice in a row b/c I couldn't believe the drop was that huge, especially since it was an hour LATER than I normally temp. Weird how different our bodies are!

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MW, my iPod won't let me quote your message. Anyway, I just turned 30 this year. Since I started temping in 10/09, my cycles have ranged from 29days at the longest to this one at 23. Most of them have been at about 26. I think it's still within normal, bt different than what I am used to. Especially because I was kind of expecting that I would find that I had a long LP; it would have explained all the fightig I had with the OB over Lucy's due date.

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Do seasons affect LP? With it being warmer maybe it had something to do with it.
No. The lp should be constant, not varying by more than 2 days. If your lp has not been more than 12 days then a 10 day lp is ok. O and cycle length can very a great deal but the lp should not. I don't have any idea what's going on with everyone's lps right now. My first thought is usually that temping was off somehow so that O day isn't clear. However, all the charts looks pretty clear to me. Very strange and interesting.

kristine ~ I was wondering if age might be a factor in your shorter cycles. I've read that sometimes cycles become shorter as women approach and start menopause. You're too young for that, probably. For some reason I keep thinking you might be that other 40+yo who posted once a while back to join and then never posted again. I think your user names must be similar. There's something about the kc. Or maybe you both joined at the same time and I just associated the two of you.

I found something else about Ovusoft that I like better than FF. With Ovusoft, once you upload your chart, all are available to be viewed unlike FF where you can either only post 2 or you have to pick and choose. There's probably a limit, too, even with the VIP membership on how many you can show on your homepage. Of course, you have to pay for the Ovusoft but it's only a $35 one time fee rather than the continual fees from FF. What are the fees for FF, anyway?

I do continue to have the same problem with Ovusoft that I've had in the past that made me abandon it 2 or 3 times before. I get an error message every time I open the s/w that says my past files are corrupt. It doesn't seem to effect anything in my charts. They're all still there and correct. However, when I asked tech support how to fix it, they told me I had to replace my database. That erased all my data from the new database. I don't want to have to go back and put all my data back in and I told them that. It's still there in the old, "corrupt" database so I've been using that one anyway. Annoying!

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Morning ladies!

Well, I'm fairly certain that I O'd... now the problem is I don't know when. The only reason I care is to know if I actually have a fair shot at getting pregnant this cycle
X = unprotected sex

The temps that are discarded are because I had "insufficient nightwear" those nights and those are abnormally low for me, that is also the case with the low temp earlier in the cycle. The EW CM on CD39 is kind of a toss-up, it was the day after unprotected sex so I'm not sure if it was actually EW or not.

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lyterae ~ I'd say it's possible you Oed between cd39 and 41. I think with NFP you can consider yourself safe now with O/peak day on cd39. With FAM you man not be able to confirm anything for a couple more days, putting your crosshairs on cd41 with a CL of 98.2. If you did O during that time, I think you have a very good chance of being pg.

I don't think there's any need or any reason to discard pre-O temps that are really low. That doesn't affect your CL or interpretation at all.

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Well I can't recommend the Target thermometer. It doesn't save my temp. Once in a while, the first time I turn it on after taking it, it will flash my temp for a split second, not enough time to really read it. Then it just says 98.6 I don't know if it's the brand or something wrong with my particular thermometer. I went ahead and ordered the BD one. Probably won't get it until end of next week since I'll be out of town Monday night through Friday morning, but oh well. I'll probably still get at least three or four good temps before my O...we'll see I guess.

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BFS: I had the same problem with the Target therm. It only showed the temp briefly. I also had trouble interpreting my temps when I was using it, so I question it's accuracy as well.

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lyterae ~ I'd say it's possible you Oed between cd39 and 41. I think with NFP you can consider yourself safe now with O/peak day on cd39. With FAM you man not be able to confirm anything for a couple more days, putting your crosshairs on cd41 with a CL of 98.2. If you did O during that time, I think you have a very good chance of being pg.

I don't think there's any need or any reason to discard pre-O temps that are really low. That doesn't affect your CL or interpretation at all.
Thank you MW - I went in and un-discarded those temps. I just wasn't sure if I was throwing off my CL because of them. Advanced puts O at CD39 and if I get another high temp tomorrow then FAM does the same.

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Well I can't recommend the Target thermometer. It doesn't save my temp. Once in a while, the first time I turn it on after taking it, it will flash my temp for a split second, not enough time to really read it. Then it just says 98.6 I don't know if it's the brand or something wrong with my particular thermometer. I went ahead and ordered the BD one. Probably won't get it until end of next week since I'll be out of town Monday night through Friday morning, but oh well. I'll probably still get at least three or four good temps before my O...we'll see I guess.
Oh no! I think I would be lost if mine didn't record the temp

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Hi Ladies. I just wanted to thank you all for your advice and how much I have learned here. And I wanted to share my with you that I got a very dark BFP this morning! We were technically supposed to be CTA for one last cycle, but sort of decided what the heck and knew there would be a chance. I want to be tactful because I know there are those here who are very much wanting but avoiding, and I am sending s to all of you.

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Hi Ladies. I just wanted to thank you all for your advice and how much I have learned here. And I wanted to share my with you that I got a very dark BFP this morning! We were technically supposed to be CTA for one last cycle, but sort of decided what the heck and knew there would be a chance. I want to be tactful because I know there are those here who are very much wanting but avoiding, and I am sending s to all of you.


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