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Welcome to the September 2012 charting to avoid and fertility awareness thread. We are all at different stages in family planning and our own fertility. Some of us are very ardently Charting to Avoid (CTA); some are CTA but would be thrilled with a BFP; and we even have a few who are "whatevering" or pregnant and continue to hang out here.

 

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Wiki Resources for Charting to Avoid

 

Reasons to Choose Natural Family Planning - Why would you want to use charting to plan your family, anyway? Feel free to add your own reasons for charting!

 

Types of Natural Family Planning - It's not just the rhythm method. They've got this down to a science with options galore!

 

NFP or FAM Methods While Breastfeeding - You have options in the postpartum period while your fertility is returning!

 

Resources For Learning About Fertility Cycles - Find books to read or websites to visit, find an instructor, post your chart online, and learn about how your diet affects your fertility.

 

Fertility Awareness Method - A quick-start guide to the Fertility Awareness, a version of the Sympto-Thermal Method taught by Toni Weschler in her book, Taking Charge of Your Fertility.

 

Common Abbreviations for Charting to Avoid/Fertility Awareness - BBT, EWCM, TCOYF, and more! Learn what all these crazy acronyms mean here.

 

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So I've been reading "Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom" and in it she was talking about women's cycles, the moon cycles, etc.... which I knew about but never really paid attention to when the full moon was in relation to my cycle.  Just checked my charts and I'm ovulating on the full moons eyesroll.gif Haha. How cute and earth goddess-y, huh?

 

  Another benefit of letting your body cycle as it was meant to rather than altering it with artificial hormones.
 

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Hello ladies! Sorry I've been off for a while (looks like a lot of people have!), but it's been difficult to find time to get on the computer with two kids! Anyway, DD2 is almost 9 months now and I got my first PPAF a week ago. :-/ Here we go charting again! 


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Yeah, I've been wondering where everyone is!  I myself am not doing much in the way of charting, because I still haven't started cycling, or even showing signs of starting.  But I'm still here for the rest of you!


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Does a star by your name in the beginning post mean you haven't posted in a while? 


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I'd like to "sign up" again so to speak.  I had a loss last January while on hormonal borth control and vowed never to do that again.  I've sucessfully avoided getting pregnant since then with FAM/NFP.  I have not been great about charting and temping so we've limited our activity.  But I'm hoping to start temping again with this upcoming cycle.  Of course nothing is stopping me from starting tomorrow.

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I don't know!  I have just copied and posted what was there since I took over the thread!  Maybe I should go through and update that stuff....


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Hi! I'd love to join this thread :) I'm start starting to chart this cycle (AF started yesterday) to avoid pregnancy, but would be thrilled with a BFP as well :) I'm not really sure where to start with all the charting LOL. I did read Taking Charge of Your Fertility though and I'll be giving it a go this cycle :)


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So I have a question for you all. 

 

For whatever reason, my children have suddenly decided to start waking me before the sun comes up (ugh!). This means that I'm not getting my temperature. Of course this all has to happen when I'm having fertile CM, so I could ovulate at any point. How do I decide we're safe again if I don't see my temp jump? I'm hoping that this was a fluke and they'll let me sleep until 7 again, but I need a plan for if they don't. If they continue with this pattern, I'll start doing my temp at 6 in the next cycle, but it's a really awkward time to try to move my temp time because it could definitely mess with seeing the spike of ovulation. I don't know if it matters, but for me (at least in the past, though I suppose it could be different now because this is my first cycle I'm charting post-second baby) it appears that time of temperature is the important part. Even if I've been woken 15 minutes before the time and go back to sleep, I still get reliable temps if I do it within 15 minutes either direction of my goal time and I haven't opened my mouth yet. 


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i always take my temp when i wake up. if it has been 4 hours of straight sleep or more. anything within an hour of the same time every morning. i had to do it like that bc i hace a cosleeping kid and saturday mornings are always different. i can still see a temp shift. 


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You can count me in - though I'm just starting out, having just had my first PPAF.  I'm still on the mini-pill that I got on after DS was born (we really aren't ready for another...maybe ever), but I know it only suppresses ovulation in half of women, and isn't the most reliable method.  I'm going to start charting while on it, to get the hang of it, and see if I can find any patterns in CM/temp shift (I realize this may not be possible on the pill).  It would be great to totally switch to NFP, but I'm not sure I'm reliable enough on the self-control aspect (barrier methods irk me). shy.gif  We will see!  Looking forward to learning more about my body though.


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Welcome, Miss Cee!

 

Lactatinggirl, I guess I don't really have any advice, since I use a mucus-only method...I guess you could look into learning a mucus-only method, but since you're actually trying to make things easier, learning a whole new system might not be the way to go, lol.  I have heard two things:  always take your temp at the time you wake up, and always take your temp at the same time every day.  So...?   IDK.

 

Pickle, I have never heard of someone being able to figure out heads or tails of their fertility while on any kind of hormonal contraceptive.  Learning NFP postpartum is hard enough without throwing artificial signs into the mix!  I'm not trying to discourage you, just being realistic.  I myself use abstinence as opposed to barriers during the fertile period, but I do so out of religious convictions.  I'm sure it would be harder if I wasn't coming at it from that viewpoint.  I have a pretty demanding libido, but we make it work.  Society has kind of brainwashed us into believing that some people just have no self-control when it comes to sex, or we shouldn't have self-control, or something.  But I would rather have barrier-free, hormone-free sex 20 out of 30 days than have sex every single day and have to use a condom just once or deal with hormones.  Studies have also shown that couples who abstain while using FAM/NFP actually end up having more sex than those who don't, because knowing "if you don't use a day, you lose that day" is a big motivator not to be complacent with the days you can use!  Keep in mind, also, that using a barrier instead of abstaining in your fertile time means that if it fails, it will fail precisely when you are most fertile...and condoms have an official fail rate of 15%, higher than almost all other contraceptive methods (including most forms of NFP)!  That said, there are actually several women on this forum who do use condoms during the fertile period, so it can certainly be a valid choice that works, but...I don't think abstinence is as hard as it is portrayed in our society.  In any case, I learned NFP while postpartum, so I will do my best to support your efforts!

 

I'm so glad the thread is waking up, I've missed being able to talk about mucus with everyone!  ;)


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Thank you, mt_gooseberry!  I had read TCOYF and other things when thinking about this, and I do get the "condoms aren't reliable when you need it most" aspect.  You have given me alot to think about, certainly.

 

I started noticing lots of O-like symptoms once a month before PPAF (crazy hormones), and I've had months with lots of EWCM, so I guess I just want to keep tabs on it out of curiosity.  It could also be because I'm not stellar at taking the mini-pill, but it seems odd that that would be happening (more fertile CM) while on bc.  Also, if nothing else, it gets me in the habit of temping and paying attention to my body, so I can see if it's a method that I could realistically incorporate into my daily life (and thus kick the hormonal bc for good).  

 

Despite not coming at it from a strictly religious perspective, I definitely have my reservations about hormonal bc (healthwise and how it functions), really don't want to have another child right now, but I'm not sure we are ready to surgical methods...gah!  It's so confusing.  So, looking to explore NFP and become better acquainted with it. smile.gif


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Last night I dreamt that I was pregnant.  It was sooo real.  I might have to go pee on a stick!


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You can count me in - though I'm just starting out, having just had my first PPAF.  I'm still on the mini-pill that I got on after DS was born (we really aren't ready for another...maybe ever), but I know it only suppresses ovulation in half of women, and isn't the most reliable method.  I'm going to start charting while on it, to get the hang of it, and see if I can find any patterns in CM/temp shift (I realize this may not be possible on the pill).  It would be great to totally switch to NFP, but I'm not sure I'm reliable enough on the self-control aspect (barrier methods irk me). shy.gif  We will see!  Looking forward to learning more about my body though.

 

I hate barrier methods too. We use the pull out method when I'm potentially fertile. It takes DH knowing himself really well and there are some rules to follow (e.g. don't have sex twice in a row without him going pee first to kill any sperm that may be left in his system). Then again, for us, pregnancy wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because we plan on having another (just not yet). So if you're 100 % not wanting to get pregnant right now or your DH is the kind that could get caught up in the moment, it might not be the method for you. 

 

 

So I am SO CONFUSED about my chart now! I never had stretchy CM like I used to, but it was slick and clear for 5 days. I thought I was having fertile CM. I didn't see a temperature jump, but as I said I've been having issues with being incredibly sleep deprived (please go away soon nine month sleep regression!) and my temperatures not being at the same time. My temps have been moving down, not up. Some of them are earlier in the morning though and while I've temped in the past after having "woken" in the past 4 hours (to nurse, but still staying in bed), I've temped now with having gotten completely awake and out of bed within the last 4 hours now, so I'm sure that's throwing it off. This morning though, I appear to have started my period! It's just light, but I'd say it's more than spotting. This is only day 21 of my cycle and I had what I thought was fertile mucus yesterday. Could my body just be all crazy because I'm sleep deprived and this is only my second cycle PP? 


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I hate barrier methods too. We use the pull out method when I'm potentially fertile. It takes DH knowing himself really well and there are some rules to follow (e.g. don't have sex twice in a row without him going pee first to kill any sperm that may be left in his system). Then again, for us, pregnancy wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because we plan on having another (just not yet). So if you're 100 % not wanting to get pregnant right now or your DH is the kind that could get caught up in the moment, it might not be the method for you. 

 

We had been doing this for a while even before PPAF, just as an extra precaution - but he admitted it's not as great, and I started to feel like it wasn't fair to him (or me either, that last part is pretty fun!).  He is really great about doing it in spite of its disadvantages, though - I'm the one who throws caution to the wind (when I'm in a position to make the choice).  See?  Self-control issues - I want my cake and eat it too!  lol.gif

 

I think I could learn to be better about it - of course, like you and mt_gooseberry noted, it could be a big gamble if something happens...it seems like any way I slice it, I have to decide what's most important to me (fun vs. baby risk).

 

So I am SO CONFUSED about my chart now! I never had stretchy CM like I used to, but it was slick and clear for 5 days. I thought I was having fertile CM. I didn't see a temperature jump, but as I said I've been having issues with being incredibly sleep deprived (please go away soon nine month sleep regression!) and my temperatures not being at the same time. My temps have been moving down, not up. Some of them are earlier in the morning though and while I've temped in the past after having "woken" in the past 4 hours (to nurse, but still staying in bed), I've temped now with having gotten completely awake and out of bed within the last 4 hours now, so I'm sure that's throwing it off. This morning though, I appear to have started my period! It's just light, but I'd say it's more than spotting. This is only day 21 of my cycle and I had what I thought was fertile mucus yesterday. Could my body just be all crazy because I'm sleep deprived and this is only my second cycle PP? 

 

I'm just a newbie, so I'm not sure, but I can commiserate with crazy PP cycles! hug.gif  I just had my first PPAF, then 5 days after it ended, I started bleeding again (medium, mostly brown but some dark red, tapered off now to spotting...but with some watery cm).  So bizarre.  So far, I have noticed that earlier in the morning results in a lower temp for me - but with the activity of getting up, wouldn't that drive it up?  I have heard many people on here say they had super short luteal phases PP - maybe that could be happening?  Or ovulation bleeding?


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I hate barrier methods too. We use the pull out method when I'm potentially fertile. It takes DH knowing himself really well and there are some rules to follow (e.g. don't have sex twice in a row without him going pee first to kill any sperm that may be left in his system). Then again, for us, pregnancy wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because we plan on having another (just not yet). So if you're 100 % not wanting to get pregnant right now or your DH is the kind that could get caught up in the moment, it might not be the method for you. 

 

 

So I am SO CONFUSED about my chart now! I never had stretchy CM like I used to, but it was slick and clear for 5 days. I thought I was having fertile CM. I didn't see a temperature jump, but as I said I've been having issues with being incredibly sleep deprived (please go away soon nine month sleep regression!) and my temperatures not being at the same time. My temps have been moving down, not up. Some of them are earlier in the morning though and while I've temped in the past after having "woken" in the past 4 hours (to nurse, but still staying in bed), I've temped now with having gotten completely awake and out of bed within the last 4 hours now, so I'm sure that's throwing it off. This morning though, I appear to have started my period! It's just light, but I'd say it's more than spotting. This is only day 21 of my cycle and I had what I thought was fertile mucus yesterday. Could my body just be all crazy because I'm sleep deprived and this is only my second cycle PP? 

I don't know about the temps (where the heck is JMJ?!  we need her expertise here!) but my guess (big, fat guess) for the bleeding is that you've had a short luteal phase with breakthrough bleeding.  Very common PP.


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Lactatinggirl, I would guess that it's breakthrough bleeding rather than a true period (which is preceded by ovulation). I would definitely consider yourself to be potentially fertile since it looks like you have not yet ovulated. Breakthrough bleeding is happens most often shortly before ovulation in a long cycle when estrogen alone (without the progesterone jump that comes after ovulation) cannot sustain the endometrium lining, so you experience some bleeding that can look like just a little spotting or can be as heavy as to appear to be a regular period. It is often accompanied by fertile mucus, and it is one of the reasons why the CM only methods require abstinence during any bleeding. (Pickle, another likely time to experience breakthrough bleeding is shortly after your period to have brown bleeding, which is a sign of your hormones being out of whack, which is common both postpartum and while using hormonal contraception.)

 

It is common to have longer periods of "potentially fertile" during the early postpartum. Be patient for now. It will become more clear soon enough.

 

Have you been temping this whole cycle? Another possibility could be that you ovulated very early, and the drop in temp that you're seeing is the end of your luteal phase and the beginning of your period. Looking at the rest of your chart, do you think that could be the case? Keep it in your mind as a possibility, but if you don't have enough information to indicate that you did certainly ovulate, I would not consider yourself infertile.

 

If the bleeding increases enough that it looks heavy enough to be a period and is not followed shortly by ovulation, you may choose to call it the start of a new cycle on your chart and call this an "anovulatory cycle," (or a possibly ovulatory cycle as the case may be) though it is equally valid to just keep charting and calling it all one cycle too if you're pretty sure it did not involve ovulation. Either way, you could choose to consider yourself infertile on the evening of the 4th day of drying up if you do dry up. I would be careful about that, though, if your temps are indicating that you have not ovulated.

 

On the temping, I would consider walking your temperature back slowly if you can. Take your temperature 15-20 minutes earlier every day until you reach your desired time. It can be tricky when you get woken up significantly earlier, but just mark those days as "disturbed," and handle them accordingly. The other temps should show a pattern if there is one to show. Some books recommend handling daylight savings time this way (using 7AM during Spring as an example): Friday: 7AM, Saturday: 6:40AM, Sunday: 7:20 AM (new time, used to be 6:20), Monday: 7AM (new time, used to be 6AM).

 

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Lactatinggirl, I would guess that it's breakthrough bleeding rather than a true period (which is preceded by ovulation). I would definitely consider yourself to be potentially fertile since it looks like you have not yet ovulated. Breakthrough bleeding is happens most often shortly before ovulation in a long cycle when estrogen alone (without the progesterone jump that comes after ovulation) cannot sustain the endometrium lining, so you experience some bleeding that can look like just a little spotting or can be as heavy as to appear to be a regular period. It is often accompanied by fertile mucus, and it is one of the reasons why the CM only methods require abstinence during any bleeding. (Pickle, another likely time to experience breakthrough bleeding is shortly after your period to have brown bleeding, which is a sign of your hormones being out of whack, which is common both postpartum and while using hormonal contraception.)

 

Thank you, JMJ!!  There is definitely something wacko going on (whether from PP or the pill or both).  Now that the bleeding subsided, I had a small amount of watery cm, but otherwise dry as a desert - super uncomfortable and worse than postpartum (sign of low estrogen from bf?). *sigh*

 

I would love to drop the mini-pill safety net if it would help achieve normalcy (after all, I'm only just learning how it really affects me, now that PPAF is back - aside from a few previous side effects), just a lil terrified...


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As mt_gooseberry said, it's hard to chart while on hormonal contraception. I have come across a couple women who have charted on mirena or the mini pill (hormonal contraception that has only a low dose of the exact same thing every day), but it's tricky. Charting works best when you have healthy cycles, and hormonal contraception works by preventing healthy cycles, so you're kinda working against yourself. During the postpartum period, being on hormonal contraception, and coming off of hormonal contraception will all make charting pretty difficult. If you are trying to determine when you are fertile, there will be significant periods of time at first when you will need to consider yourself potentially fertile. If you switch to NFP, the craziness won't be over until your hormones return to normal postpartum AND your system has cleared the artificial hormones (which both can take a few months or longer). It might be helpful to examine how you and your husband feel about that, how you can nurture your relationship during those times, and how to foster self-control. As far as effectiveness is concerned, you might look into if there are any classes nearby. There are classes most places because NFP is the only birth control allowed by the Catholic Church, and so Catholics have to have access to the ability to learn NFP, though most classes available come from a Catholic perspective for this reason. If there are not classes nearby, you can also look into taking an online course. Actually taking a class will help increase the effectiveness and help you feel more confident about what you are doing. You're always welcome to ask questions here too.
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Thanks again.  I'm not really expecting too much, other than to become a bit more familiar with my body (whatever weird things it's doing, at least I'm paying more attention) and charting as an option.

 

A class would probably give me more confidence and a better idea of how to make it work.  I was raised Catholic, so I'm not uncomfortable with starting there.  Just trying to figure out what makes the most sense for us, and a way that's healthy and hormone free is more attractive to me nowadays (before DS, as long as I wasn't having side effects, was regular, and had no babies - well, those were my criteria!).


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Haha mt_gooseberry! Great minds think alike! I actually asked her to come look at this because I figured she'd be able to shed some light!

JMJ, I didn't get many temps at all. I didn't start temping until I stopped bleeding. Then a couple days later my toddler decided to start waking a full hour earlier. I'm going to just start temping whenever I wake up for the rest of this cycle, just to try to determine a time that'll work better for future cycles. I guess only time will tell if this is a true period or breakthrough bleeding. Is that pretty normal when your body is getting back to ovulating?

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Almost anything is "normal" when you're getting back to ovulating. That first postpartum cycle is usually longer than normal and often involves breakthrough bleeding, though, so I seriously doubt that you just had a crazy short cycle with an early ovulation. I would pay more attention to CM, and hopefully your temps will shed at least some light. Daylight savings time is coming up, so that might mess with toddler wake-up times too. Watch for the dry-up with at least something that looks kinda like a temp rise. So complicated. Hang tight! It's not any worse than trying to learn the method while coming off of hormonal contraception. You can do it! Just count yourself as potentially fertile if you have any doubts.

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Hey everyone, I havent been part of any of the FAM discussions, but that's kinda what i've been doing.  I havent been doing temps, just paying attention to my CM, how I'm feeling (my desire, which is up when I'm fertile), etc.  I recently started reading the book The Garden of Fertility by Katie Singer and was wondering what everyone thought of that book, if it's the right book to read?   I really do like it so far and am planning on doing temps soon.  Where do I get a nice little chart that I can write all my temps on observations down on?

 

Oh, also, I got my period  back at 4.5 months PP, had a few regular ones, and then they started showing up late, one was even 10 days late!  Then my last one was 3 days late, and I bled for a total of 13 days!  I have never had more than a 6 day period, so was freaked out about that, and now I don't know even where to begin trying to determine where I'm at in my cycles, when I'm fertile, etc!  Any thoughts?  This is probably a time when temps would be helpful huh!  I am breastfeeding which my midwife says throws your cycles off, but I've always had regular cycles while breastfeeding til now...

The book also says sperm can survive in my body for 5 days if there is mucous, is this true?  All along I've been hearing they could live for 3 days max...  So now I'm confused.  The book also recommends feeling your cervix sometimes, or if you need to, I've never seen or felt a cervix and feel a little wierd about doing that, how necessary do you think that is, and is it very difficult to do?

Thanks so much everyone :)

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This means that I'm not getting my temperature. Of course this all has to happen when I'm having fertile CM, so I could ovulate at any point. How do I decide we're safe again if I don't see my temp jump?

 

Although it's not as sure a bet as seeing your temperature rise, you could apply the Peak Day rule and when you've had no wet fluid for 4 days in a row you are safe that 4th evening.

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Okay, so that was definitely breakthrough bleeding. Entirely stopped within 12 hours of starting. Good to know what's "normal" for postpartum! My toddler had a sleepover with grandma last night and the baby actually stayed asleep, so I got a valid temp that's still within my normal pre-ovulation range. Hopefully they continue letting me sleep (for a multitude of reasons) and I can get enough valid temps that I can see a spike! Thanks everyone!

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Hi everyone! Can I join, please? We are waiting to TTC until DD2 is around 2 and in the meantime we 've been using condoms since I don't want to use hormonal bc. We have a pill baby already, and I know 3 other women who've gotten pregnant while on the pill, so I really don't trust it!!! Condoms have always worked well for us, and we sometimes do pull'n'pray, but I would really prefer to be more aware of my cycles. I tried temping of a month, but since we co-sleepin, the kids always grab my thermometer or I'm doing a crazy dance trying to keep them off me, plus I have to get up just to reach it, so I stopped doing that because it was making me crazy. And my DD2 often wakes up at 2 or 3 or 4 in the morning, is up for an hour, then goes back down, so I never have a close to reliable wake up time eyesroll.gif

Anyhow, some things I've noticed (and I'm planning on reading TCOYF soon!) is increased libido around O time (apparently very common, isn't the reproductive system great?), and i'm noticing more and more wet cm for what seems like many days at a time. I've only had 3 PPAFs, though, so I'm sure my cycle is still getting back to normal. I'm definitely not ready to ditch condoms yet, since DH has a pretty demanding libido. I'm mostly too tired to care greensad.gif

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i use a shoe string. i tie it around the thermometer. then i tie the other end around a part of the headboard that is hidden under the pillows and drop the therm down behind the bed. this works with my headboard and bed bc it has spindles and stuff. then when my husbands alarm goes off i take my temp (half asleep) and drop the therm back down behind the board. later when i get up and all the kids are settled for breakfast, i go back and get it and read it and put it into fertility friend or on a paper chart. 

 

i used to keep it tied to the headboard but i couldnt get the kids to leave it alone. one day my toddler got it and stood up on the bed and fell on it and it poked a hole into her gums where she didnt have any teeth. they all came in fine but it was nasty looking and scared the crap outta me. so i fiigured out of sight out of mind and crafted the above solution. it is an idea anyway that might help you figure something out. i could take it before getting out of bed and every morning when his alarm went off was regular, and it seemed that it didnt matter if i was snuggled with a baby or not. if i woke up before the alram i took my temp right away and tried to  note how much before the alarm i woke. if it was more than an hour then i marked it disturbed. i did go back to sleep for another 2 hours after temping.  i havent been temping yet as baby is only 4 mo and i havent had any signs of anything. i am only doing vag sensation right now. i have a bip of creamy. it would be dry but i drink several cups of green tea every morning. i notice the days i dont drink it, the next day is dry. which feels uncomfortable and itchy. lol. i definitely have no desire right now. bfing really zaps it. but when i am having cycles, i get like a cat in heat during fertile periods. and my husband doesnt like condoms. he and i have been having the talk about permanent solutions like the v and tubal. we havent decided anything yet but it sounds like it is what we are planning. 


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Awesome ideas, LionessMom - thank you! thumb.gif  I like the hidden shoestring AND temping at your husband's alarm - I usually wake for that, but have been temping when I wake again later, with the timing a bit erratic. 

 

Also, the green tea is a great idea (I've been drinking fenugreek for similar reasons + milk supply boost).  I went to brew myself a cup...and discovered my green tea was so old it had turned black, haha - oops, time to go to the store, I suppose! Sheepish.gif


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Hey everyone, I havent been part of any of the FAM discussions, but that's kinda what i've been doing.  I havent been doing temps, just paying attention to my CM, how I'm feeling (my desire, which is up when I'm fertile), etc.  I recently started reading the book The Garden of Fertility by Katie Singer and was wondering what everyone thought of that book, if it's the right book to read?   I really do like it so far and am planning on doing temps soon.  Where do I get a nice little chart that I can write all my temps on observations down on?

 

Oh, also, I got my period  back at 4.5 months PP, had a few regular ones, and then they started showing up late, one was even 10 days late!  Then my last one was 3 days late, and I bled for a total of 13 days!  I have never had more than a 6 day period, so was freaked out about that, and now I don't know even where to begin trying to determine where I'm at in my cycles, when I'm fertile, etc!  Any thoughts?  This is probably a time when temps would be helpful huh!  I am breastfeeding which my midwife says throws your cycles off, but I've always had regular cycles while breastfeeding til now...

The book also says sperm can survive in my body for 5 days if there is mucous, is this true?  All along I've been hearing they could live for 3 days max...  So now I'm confused.  The book also recommends feeling your cervix sometimes, or if you need to, I've never seen or felt a cervix and feel a little wierd about doing that, how necessary do you think that is, and is it very difficult to do?

Thanks so much everyone :)

I haven't read Singer's book myself, but it seems to be on the list of books people recommend for FAM.  As for your crazy cycles, I don't have a clue...but if you keep charting them, your charts could be really helpful if you end up needing to go to the gyno.  In fact, the Creighton method of charting is  considered one of the best tools in existence for diagnosing and treating gynecological problems.  And yes, I know it is possible for sperm to survive up to 5 days in the presence of FERTILE mucus, not just any mucus.  I don't know how common it is, though.  Five days seems to be the upper limit.  Wish I could be more helpful!


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