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It's time for a new thread already! Holy crap, 2006 is already 1/12 over!

This is the thread for everyone who is charting, trying, or hoping to avoid pregnancy (CTA/TTA/HTA). Here is the link to last month's thread.

granolamom had a question I thought I should carry over:
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I'll be quick because I'm naking...

I just started temping again. My daughter is 13 months today (Happy monthiversary!). No ppaf yet but either pre-af signs or pregnancy signs.

My temps over the last two weeks are close to my pre-o range from before Leigh's conception. Wouldn't this mean for sure that I have not yet ovulated? Or have any of you experienced new pre and post-o temps ranges after having a baby?

And another question: do temps stay high ALL THROUGH pregnancy? If I were pregnant, I'd be about 10-14 weeks along, but my temps just don't seem high enough for me to be pregnant and are the ONLY thing keeping sane at this point (oh and two negative tests taken at two weeks interval)!

Thanks for any charters who have temped before, during and after pregnancy or anyone else who has some ideas or experience on this
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granolamom, I charted before my first PG, in between my first and second PGs, and now for the 14 months since my second child's birth. My temps dropped by about 1 degree after I had my first child. Don't know why... but they have stayed the same ever since. I charted for a long time before PPAF arrived this time. Like, 11 months of anovulatory charts! My temps were low so I knew I wasn't PG, but I often felt like I might be PG or like AF was coming. I think it was just my body's signs that my hormones were trying to get back to normal. It did make me wonder a lot though. I'd say with 2 negative tests that you are *probably* just in the same stage I was in... good luck!
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I'm having major thermometer issues. The kids broke one last cycle, so I bought another one. After using it for only a week or two the low battery sign came on so we switched the battery, twice, but the low battery sign wouldn't go away. I returned that one and bought another one. I've used that one for about a week or two also. My temps have been all over the place an I'm on CD23 with my temps not showing O yet. Took my temp today and it was 99.8. That's way too high, and I didn't feel sick so I took it two more times and got 101.5 and then 96.9 : I think this thermometer has been busted since I bought it and I've been recording bogus temps all this time.

I think someone at the Walgreens Corp. wants me to get PG!

Anyway, I guess I'm going be CM alone this month, based on that I'm 6DPO. Hopefully I'll find a reliable thermometer soon, our third was conceived charting CM alone.


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Hi new here
Have a 16 month old and have just got ppaf back last month. I want to start charting but have never done it before.
What to run an ultra marathon that I am training for in June so REALLy want to avoid. Any tips on where to start?
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Hi everyone.
I need to join the club.
just got my period back 12/30/05- now waiting for my next period. Seems like it is a little out of whack at first, right?! Could you go back to having no period for a while again???
I have a 10 mo. old, and would like to wait until Tenzin is at least 2 before I have #2.
I guess I should go back to temping and charting
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Hi everyone.
I need to join the club.
just got my period back 12/30/05- now waiting for my next period. Seems like it is a little out of whack at first, right?! Could you go back to having no period for a while again???
I have a 10 mo. old, and would like to wait until Tenzin is at least 2 before I have #2.
I guess I should go back to temping and charting
Glad you're here

My periods were really irregular for a while when I first started getting them after dd (at 21 months)... I think it isn't uncommon for things to start up slowly.
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Hi Ladies!!

This is my first month charting, really just practice because I'm not with anyone at the moment (or ever *sigh* but that's another post). I am going to get the Weschler book next time I go to the library but I have a few questions now I went off the Depo shot in September and just had my first real af since then.

CM - how the heck do you tell the difference? I know the egg white stuff, I've seen that before, but how do you distinguish between "sticky" and "creamy"... and at what point should I be experiencing each of these? Maybe that will help me get a baseline.

Temps - I am using a little digital thermo from CVS, is it important that I get a basal thermo? What exactly does your temp do over the course of a cycle?

Thanks ladies!! Happy charting!
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Does anyone use an online chart? I would love to be able to keep track on line
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devonc-There are some women here that use a regular thermometer and it works for them just fine. If it shows a clear temp. shift for you I don't think there would be a need to switch to a basal thermometer. The Weschler book will have a ton of info for you on CM-I think it can vary quite a bit from woman to woman. The books description of CM and temp. shifts is really complete-hope you get to see it soon

sally Z- www.fertilityfriend.com is a free site.



Wondering...does FAM ever seem too stressful for any of you? My LP seems to be changing almost every cycle (I'm sure due to BF) so then CD1 seems late and I get worried and stressed. I love all the knowledge I've gained about my body, and I love having a better idea about when I'm fertile. I worry though about making a mistake, I worry about a really determined sperm hanging around for longer than it's "supposed" to, I just worry. It seems like every month I'm posting that my thermometer broke, O was really early, CD1 is late, we had an oops, etc. Is FAM just not for me? None of the alternatives seem better KWIM?!

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Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am not yet a mama, and not quite ready to start ttc #1. I have been using FAM for over three years, and I am really liking it. DH was unsure at first, but he has come to appreciate it too. I just started reading Taking Charge of Your Fertility, which is a great reference. I know there are a lot of changes that I will have to get used to when ttc, bf'ing and PP issues come along.

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a basal thermometer is best because it displays temps in 1/10 of a degree, as opposed to 2/10 for regular. Basals also don't go over 100. I have one from BP that they carry at drugstore.com (and I think at Eckerd's). It took me 3 cycles off the pill to get back to something normal. The 3rd cycle was really long, like 70 days. I thought the thermometer was broken, but it was just me...and the thermometer has lasted me over three years.

The sticky cm is sometimes almost rubbery, like paste, and can actually dries hard. The creamy/lotiony is usually more abundant, and may actually be a little stretchy - about an inch or so. It will also feel more moist ('vaginal sensation'). I definitely recommend the Wechsler book.

Sometimes I feel like if I stopped charting and paying attention now, with all of what I have learned I would still know when I am o'ing just based on the cm. And that *feeling* I've been experiencing during my fertile phase.

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None of the alternatives seem better KWIM?!
: Tell me about it!! I was on Depo for 4 years and it was great (when getting pg is just absolutely not an option), but I hate the idea of the long term effects on my body, as with any hormonals, and the side effects eg weight gain. :

Isn't it interesting that there is no female Viagra and no male Pill? *sigh*
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a basal thermometer is best because it displays temps in 1/10 of a degree, as opposed to 2/10 for regular. Basals also don't go over 100. I have one from BP that they carry at
I have a regular (non-basal) thermometer and it displays temps in 1/10 of a degree. It does go over 100, so I know it's not a basal thermometer. What does everyone use? I use a digital with a last temp recall, I take my temp in the dark, and then check it in the daylight,so I don't have to switch any lights on! We're still co-sleeping.

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Hello!

i have been charting pretty effectively for about a year... lazily, i'll admit, because i usually chart around the time i finish af until i ovulate...

however, af arrived and here i am, still with my high temp! nothing else seems out of the ordinary, and have cramps, am on schedule, etc.

any ideas?

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I have a regular (non-basal) thermometer and it displays temps in 1/10 of a degree. It does go over 100, so I know it's not a basal thermometer. What does everyone use? I use a digital with a last temp recall, I take my temp in the dark, and then check it in the daylight,so I don't have to switch any lights on! We're still co-sleeping.

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Mine displays the temp to the tenth, but how do you know if it's accurate enough?

I thought I would have a huge problem remembering to temp every day, but I just do it while peeing, which I always do first thing, and it works great!! On the weekends I usually set my alarm just to temp so it stays a consistent time, then go back to sleep.

The temps have been within about .5 degrees of each other this whole cycle. For the last 4 days though, my temps have been exactly the same. Is this weird? Does it mean something?
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I thought I would have a huge problem remembering to temp every day, but I just do it while peeing, which I always do first thing, and it works great!! On the weekends I usually set my alarm just to temp so it stays a consistent time, then go back to sleep.
I thought you were supposed to temp BEFORE you got up. As in before running to the bathroom!

I have runs of similar temps. Usually not for 4 days, but often for 2 or 3 days in a row!

I know that when I look at my charts I see a distinct pattern, every month. That, to me, means that the thermometer is doing an accurate enough job.

To remember to temp took me a week or two. I keep the thermometer under my pillow, and now it's the first thing I reach for when I wake up (well, when I get woken by DS climbing in with us to nurse, which he usually does at sometime between 5 and 6 am!).

My temps are usually within .5 pre ovulation, around 97.1-97.5 and then after ovulation they jump at least half a degree and range from 97.9-98.3. I have no idea how normal that is though. What do others experience? I often wonder too that if I switched thermometers would I get different temperature ranges? I bet it would vary with the thermometer.

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I thought you were supposed to temp BEFORE you got up. As in before running to the bathroom!
I was going to say the same thing. It is best to take it before you do anything at all, because it will rise a few points just from standing up. I don't even get up to shut the alarm off - I make DH do it (we had to move the alarm across the room b/c we are both chronic snooze-hitters).

I like the BP because it has a light and it beeps every few seconds, so when I am half asleep I can still tell that it is working. I tried a glass basal one for a little while, but it takes a long time and was hard to read. Then DH dropped it and it broke. oh well!

My temp is usually 97.2 to 97.7 before and 98.1 to 98.4 after O'ing.

Does everyone use a coverline? I was under the impression that it was mandatory, but then when reading TCOYF and Garden of Fertility they say it is optional. I use .1 degree above the high temp for days 4-9 (first six temps after AF). It seems to work pretty well.

I also used to think that the LP was a set 14 days (from peak to CD1) for everyone. So I would be a little confused when AF would arrive two days earlier than I thought. Now that I look at my charts it seems I have a relatively short luteal phase (about 10-11 days). But I am also confused - is it the number of days of high temp, or the days after peak day? My temp usually rises two days after peak.

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I was going to say the same thing. It is best to take it before you do anything at all, because it will rise a few points just from standing up. I don't even get up to shut the alarm off - I make DH do it (we had to move the alarm across the room b/c we are both chronic snooze-hitters).
I know... but I figured
a) if I do it every day at the same time, the difference will be the same. I always take the same 10 steps to the bathroom before I do it so it's consistent, you know? and
b) the thought of sticking the thermo in my disgusting morning mouth before a quick spit (sorry tmi) was so gross I kept not doing it

I have started to see a pattern, so it seems to be working!
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Hi, I'm kinda new at this charting. In fact, I haven't really started with the temps yet. Just wondering a few things. Mainly, How does one check their cervix positioning? It would seem to me that it's a pretty hard thing to do. So, any one want to explain as best you can over the internet? TIA.

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Hi midstreammama!

Checking my cervix is surprisingly my favorite part because I thought it was so extraordinary that I didn't know I could reach it myself and I had no idea what it was like until I checked!

One thing is that you'll need to try everyday for at least a week or two because your cervix may not be easy to reach during some parts of your cycle and this may be discouraging.

Once you know where/how it is, you don't need to check everyday.

This is what I do (it felt really weird at first!):

-After my shower (in the olden days before baby when I took a shower every morning ) or at the same time everyday, I squat down
-using my finger I reach as far as I can to the back of my vagina to feel my cervix - sometimes it's easy to reach, sometimes it's a bit 'far" and other times I can't reach (that's how you can categorize position into low, medium or high)
-it usually feels to me like a bump, almost like a tiny "penis" - I don't know if others feel the same (sometimes, it's soft and "flat", othertimes, it's long and hard - that's how you can categorize into soft or hard)
-Also, you can check if it is a tiny bit open or closed at the tip - that's not so easy to tell for me

Hope this can help! It seems really weird at first but my cervix pattern really follows what the books say (before baby it did anyway)!

Have fun!
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Yeah, sounds like a great way to pass the time : -- but it does sound interesting!!!

I figured out my problem with temping, and it's not the bathroom thing -- I haven't been doing it until after I hit snooze 4 or 5 times!!! So now I'm on track taking it in bed as soon as the alarm goes off the first time, before I hit snooze.

This morning I had to do it twice because I fell back asleep and it fell out of my mouth LOL (and this is a 1 min digital)

I'm pretty sure I'm still anovulatory because I'm only on my first cycle since going off Depo in September. My temps have been pretty consistent for about 30 days, and I'm not experiencing EW. I've had spotting once or twice, but not bad enough to be considered af, I don't think (it's not red)

I really want to ovulate so I can see what it looks like on the chart!! Hee hee hee...
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I really want to ovulate so I can see what it looks like on the chart!! Hee hee hee...
Devon, I still find looking at my charts fascinating, and I must have at least a year's worth now. I don't know when the novelty wears off, but it hasn't yet for me!

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I think my friends are starting to get tired of hearing about it all the time. I'm glad to know at least I won't get bored with it!! I read the Weschler book, intending only to skim it for what I needed to know and ended up devouring the whole thing!!

Meanwhile, the new temp plan has not been going well. Every day I fall back asleep with the thermometer in my mouth and it falls out and then I can't find it and never get a temp at the right time! I think I need to wake up a little more the first time the alarm goes off. Good thing it's a 1 min not a 5 min!
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Every day I fall back asleep with the thermometer in my mouth and it falls out and then I can't find it and never get a temp at the right time! I think I need to wake up a little more the first time the alarm goes off. Good thing it's a 1 min not a 5 min!
I do this all the time! I'm always finding it under my pillow somewhere. I am very glad I don't have to wait a whole 5 min.

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I actually think it's great that you told your friends. I haven't told most people that I do this. Just one friend who does it also, and another friend who had to go off the pill for medical reasons last year. I told her I could tell her more about it if she was interested, but left it at that. I didn't want to come across as too pushy. I can understand that she's still trying to decide, it took me a while.

It's not that I am not proud of it...but I come from a large, religious family. My reasons for using it are not founded in religion, and obviously it is working for us (i'm on chart # 40!) - I think it's obvious that I'm not interested in having a large family. But I still hesitate anyway, since I know people's opinions of it.

Even after all this time, I am still fascinated and just starting to get better at charting. I had read the Art of NFP when I started (and found it a little preachy), but only recently read the other two (secular) books. I found them to be very helpful in really understanding what's going on with my chart.

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This method is something I thought I'd never be comfortable doing but now I find it sooo fascinating..I'm sure DP is getting tired of hearing about it. Might I mention I am also very impressed with DP. He's been very supportive and actually seems a bit interested whereas I thought it would take A LOT of convincing!

I just started charting at the beginning of this cycle. First, only looking at CM but I moved into cervical postioning and temping as cross-checkers. My CM is kind of confusing PO so I'm glad I've been doing the other signs too. I'd have to say cervical position has been the most right on so far....good luck to midstreammama. Once you find it it really is sort of...fun. Mine also does exactly what the books say.

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I actually think it's great that you told your friends. I haven't told most people that I do this. Just one friend who does it also, and another friend who had to go off the pill for medical reasons last year. I told her I could tell her more about it if she was interested, but left it at that. I didn't want to come across as too pushy. I can understand that she's still trying to decide, it took me a while.
Well, I am not really using it as birth control yet, just getting started and familiarizing myself with the process... I look forward to knowing for sure when af will come, etc etc. If I ever actually find a boyfriend, it will come in handy

My two best friends are in relationships and they both use *pull and pray* so I've been trying to get them to start charting, or at least check cm. I explained about the egg white and watery, etc, so maybe some of it sank in... actually, I tell them I'm going to stop bugging them about bc because if either one got knocked up it would be great for me... all the fun with none of the responsibility! That actually hits home harder than when I just pester them about it
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Devon, we use charting in comination with pull and pray, and so far it's worked for almost three years. I don't think I'd want to rely on pull and pray alone though!

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Hi all!

I'm starting a new thread for March/April since there are others out there in search of a thread on this topic and also, I finally have something to write about!

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