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Family Planning > Charting, Trying, Hoping to Avoid: July 2006
Brown Lioness's Avatar Brown Lioness 05:40 PM 07-03-2006
Hay, the newbie gets to start the new post for the month!!

But I also have a question. I'd like to know how many cycles did it take you to get "the hang" of it so that you stop using a barrier method during those non-fertile times?

Granted, I've only been charting for like 5 days now, so im prolly going to keep protected for the next couple of cycles, but when did you feel like, ok yea, i know im fertile now and no im not fertile now and just DTD all carefree-like? LOL!

Im guessing, I won't be comfortable until I have at least 4 good cycles under my belt. How about u?

texaspeach's Avatar texaspeach 07:20 PM 07-03-2006
3 or 4 cycles. But you know, even though I've been at this a while, there are still times when I'm unsure about stuff, it doesn't happen as often as it did in the beginning though. I think it probably would have been easier had we taken a class.
mamato2boys's Avatar mamato2boys 07:48 PM 07-03-2006
Jumping back in (assuming I'm not PG) I stopped charting for about three months; just hadn't been getting enough sleep and my temps were all over the place. I'm regretting that now, b/c I'm on CD39 (typically 26-30 day cycles) and I have no idea what's going on with my body! I tested last night and got a negative; not sure if I should start temping tomorrow just to see where I'm at or wait around for AF to show?!? Where is she??

I learned my lesson though even if my temps are off I'll keep charting, at least then I'll have some clue about what's going on!
mamacatsbaby's Avatar mamacatsbaby 09:22 PM 07-03-2006
subbing...

At some point DS might let me catch up!
Ruthla's Avatar Ruthla 10:52 AM 07-04-2006
Can somebody please take a look at my chart? : Based on CM and CP, I think I ovulated several days ago and I should be "safe" now- but according to my temps nothing's happening.
Brown Lioness's Avatar Brown Lioness 05:36 PM 07-04-2006
To ME in my charting novice eyes, it looks like u ovulated on CD 19, but don't listen to me, Im guessing, we'll see what the pros have to say, lol

I also have a question, in TCOYF it tells you that if you have any alcohol the night before you have to throw out your temp the next day....is that really true? I mean, hubby and I have recently found a hobby in sippin and discovering different types of wines together and now that im charting, im scared to sip the wine for fear I will mess up my temps the next day.

Does the book mean ANY alcohol or just drinking after a certain time at night or what? Im really confused on this, lol. I never drink enough to even get buzzed either.


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Originally Posted by Ruthla
Can somebody please take a look at my chart? : Based on CM and CP, I think I ovulated several days ago and I should be "safe" now- but according to my temps nothing's happening.

texaspeach's Avatar texaspeach 08:13 PM 07-04-2006
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Can somebody please take a look at my chart? : Based on CM and CP, I think I ovulated several days ago and I should be "safe" now- but according to my temps nothing's happening.
I don't think you've ovulated yet. If you omit the temp on cd 20, only 1 of the temps is above your coverline. When I have missing or discarded temps, I still count back to the previous 6 temps. I'm not sure if that's the correct way, but I think that's what you do. If you do that, if you leave the temp on cd 20 in and say ovulation happened on cd19, you won't have any temps above the coverline. I would treat it like you haven't ovulated yet.
texaspeach's Avatar texaspeach 08:15 PM 07-04-2006
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Originally Posted by Brown Lioness
I also have a question, in TCOYF it tells you that if you have any alcohol the night before you have to throw out your temp the next day....is that really true? I mean, hubby and I have recently found a hobby in sippin and discovering different types of wines together and now that im charting, im scared to sip the wine for fear I will mess up my temps the next day.

Does the book mean ANY alcohol or just drinking after a certain time at night or what? Im really confused on this, lol. I never drink enough to even get buzzed either.
For me, I have to wake up with a hangover for the alcohol to effect my temp. I mark it on my chart that I had a glass of wine (or 2 or 3 lol!) but don't discard unless it is obviously out of place. I also try not to drink too much when I might be ovulating.. I broke that rule last month and it was hard for me to tell if my temp shift was because of all the alcohol or from ovulation.
Ruthla's Avatar Ruthla 09:32 PM 07-04-2006
Thanks for the input ladies.

At this point, it's probably more likely that I'm having an infertile cycle than that I'm going to ovulate late. It just seems so weird- all the signs that I check seem to point to O, but then the temp doesn't confirm it. This means that I can't assume I'm "safe".
afishwithabike's Avatar afishwithabike 11:59 AM 07-05-2006
I to have had to continue to use teh barrier methids until I get the "hang" of it. I am having similiar issues with irregular cycles and strange phenomenons. Can ANYBODY help me?
mamato2boys's Avatar mamato2boys 12:20 PM 07-05-2006
So, I'm not PG. My cycle was 40 days though, I've never had a cycle that long--even my first regular cycle after giving birth was only 36 days?!?

Not sure what the heck is going on with my body; but I'm charting again and we're also using condoms during my entire cycle until I figure things out.
texaspeach's Avatar texaspeach 12:01 AM 07-06-2006
afishwithabike, I can try to help, no promises on answers though! What's going on?

mamato2boys, *whew*
Ruthla's Avatar Ruthla 10:39 AM 07-06-2006
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Originally Posted by Ruthla
Can somebody please take a look at my chart? : Based on CM and CP, I think I ovulated several days ago and I should be "safe" now- but according to my temps nothing's happening.
Can you take another look? Now FF thinks I O'd a full week after my cervix and CM signs say I did- and why is my coverline a dotted line instead of a solid one?
mamato2boys's Avatar mamato2boys 10:53 AM 07-06-2006
I think they use the dotted line to show that your temp signs aren't matching up with your cervix signs...so they're basically guessing about O.

It looks to me like your haven't O'ed this month.
Undercover Hippie's Avatar Undercover Hippie 12:11 PM 07-06-2006
Ruthla, I don't think you've O'ed yet either. It looks like your body was trying to on CD 19-20 and then it didn't. Bodies are so frustrating sometimes!

You all remember how wonky my temps were in June when I was asking for advice? Well, I never figured out why they were so erratic but I finally did O on CD 21. : Now I'm 9 DPO, which is a long LP for me. I had a big dip at 4 DPO. There's no way that could be an implantation dip, could it? I know it's unlikely, but : Please tell me what you think!
Ruthla's Avatar Ruthla 12:40 PM 07-06-2006
Tara- 4 days in a row of exactly 97.3- are you sure your thermometer is working properly? Based on your temps, I can't say it's even certain you O'd this month.
Undercover Hippie's Avatar Undercover Hippie 01:14 PM 07-06-2006
Well, it's kind of funny about the temps. They were so erratic earlier that I didn't think my thermometer was working so I started taking my temp with two thermometers at once (looks very funny I'm sure ). But the second thermometer just confirmed them! They actually are accurate temps. Just strange ones!

I do think I O'ed though. When you discard the temps on CD 17 and 20 (restless nights with DD) the pattern looks more clear.
cking's Avatar cking 01:52 AM 07-07-2006
Subbing! Thanks for starting the new thread, Brownlioness.

Yeah, I would say it took me 3 or 4 cycles. My third cycle was very long and wonky, so that threw me off. But after the 4th it settled in and I got the hang of it.

Ruth, I think you may have O'd on CD 23, 24 or 25 - based on the CP change and temp change. The stray high temps are hard - I tend to have those on the weekends (when I inevitably sleep in), so it is easy for me to ID those and toss them out.

Tara - I'm not sure about an implantation dip that large. Was there anything else that could cause a low temp that day? I ask b/c this past weekend we were staying in hotels, and I woke up freezing the one morning (impossible to control the room temp in those places!) and my temp was very low - a 1.1^ drop!

Oh, and Brownlioness, I wouldn't worry about a small amount of alcohol making a difference. You may note it on your chart just to see if it affects you in the long run, but I think any temp change would be minor (especially for only a small amount of alcohol!)
Alison's Avatar Alison 03:00 PM 07-07-2006
subbing. Hey, I had five days in a row with the same temp this past cycle too. It was starting to wierd me out, but was accurate, and the cycle has ended up being fairly normal overall. Our bodies are wierd but truly wonderful things.
rosie29's Avatar rosie29 04:07 PM 07-07-2006
Subbing!
I seem to have a creamy BIP. Anyone else? This is my first cycle of relying solely on FAM, so I want to get this right. What do you do when you have days and days of creamy/lotiony CM? Abstain or use a barrier method? Do a little guesswork? (I have long cycles so we've been taking a few chances early on in this cycle...plus we plan to TTC in a few months so a PG would be fine, just a bit earlier than we planned on.) Any other info you can offer about this?
Undercover Hippie's Avatar Undercover Hippie 07:53 PM 07-07-2006
Well, I am not PG! The idea of an oops sounded kind of cool at first, but the longer my LP got the more I was freaking out! So I'm relieved. Don't know what that dip was but AF arrived today after a lovely 9 day LP. Maybe my body is finally getting more normal as DD weans more?

rosie29, I had a sticky/creamy BIP for a long time before I got my first PPAF. After a lot of observation I did treat those days as safe, because there really was a big shift (for me) between that and the wetter CM and then the EWCM. I did always make sure to verify that there was no wetter/more fertile CM at my cervix before we DTD though. So, it is riskier but can be done in some cases IMO. Sounds like you are okay with a little bit of risk though. Good luck!
Ruthla's Avatar Ruthla 08:20 PM 07-07-2006
Well Tara, now I can definitely say that you have NOT O'd yet this cycle!
LydiaJW's Avatar LydiaJW 09:01 PM 07-07-2006
hey ladies!! Sorry I've been absent lately, my internet hasn't been working (grrr). Anyway, I have a couple of questions. First of all, how long are most people's luteal phases? According to FF, I ovulated on the 21st CD (which looks right...) its now been 10 days since then...are cycles really this long? If so, that whole "28 days" thing is the most ridiculous idea ever...

secondly, I am having a hard time figuring out how to assess my cervix. I've got the cm thing down, but the position, etc...i don't even really know what I'm feeling for!! Sorry for such a tmi question, but I really have no idea where it is or how to tell if its open, or high, or whatever.

Thanks for the help!! I am having so much fun learning about the whole charting thing!!
Undercover Hippie's Avatar Undercover Hippie 12:48 AM 07-08-2006
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Well Tara, now I can definitely say that you have NOT O'd yet this cycle!
Wow, you're good! How can you tell?

Lydia, I would say that LPs range from 7 days (that's pretty short really, but might be normal in some of us nursing mamas due to the prolactin) to 14 days. So yours sounds just right. But yeah, that 28 day cycle thing is a bunch of bunk!

It can definitely be hard to figure out the cervix position at first. I will try to describe it as best I can, sorry if it's TMI. I like to check mine while sitting on the toilet, it seems lowest and easiest to find then. I check with my second finger--dunno why, maybe because it's longer? LOL. I can pretty much always feel it with that finger unless I'm ovulating. It's towards the back of the vagina and kind of on the "top" wall, like the bladder is just on the other side of that wall. I can judge what position it's in by how easy it is to find--if I feel it quickly near the entrance then it's low, if my finger is further in it's in the middle, if I can't find it then it's high. It changes from firm, almost like the tip of my nose, to really soft and mushy like the rest of the vagina. If you start right after AF then it will probably be lowest and easiest to find, then keep checking every day and you'll get used to the changes I bet.

Does that help at all? Or do I just sound like a dork? It will get easier with practice!
texaspeach's Avatar texaspeach 02:28 PM 07-09-2006
Lydia, the cervix sign is so hard for me to make heads and tails of! I think the more I do it, the better I get at figuring it out. I've been checking for almost 3 cycles now and it's still confusing. When mine is high, it's really really high and I can barely feel it, and when it's open it's REALLY open.


I just got af... and guess what? my cycle was 28 days! I've never had a 28 day long cycle. I'm kinda bummed about it, I was getting happy with every 31-35 days! I don't want to do this every 28 days. here's the chart if you're interested :

Is anyone on cycle with the moon? I remember reading about lunaception and how our cycles are linked to the phases of the moon because of the night lighting it provides. I think with lunaception you ovulate with the full moon and have your period with the new moon? Am I remembering that right? My cycle is exactly opposite that. Oh well, I never do anything the 'right' way :
mamato2boys's Avatar mamato2boys 02:35 PM 07-09-2006
My cycles continue to be very unusual. Last month was the 40 day cycle that I posted about earlier. AF was here for four days, which is my norm. Then I had two days with no CM and now AF is back full force??????? Now I'm completely baffled! Never had a 40 day cycle and never had this pattern or AF coming/going/ and coming back.....that's really weird; right?


Any ideas?
mamacatsbaby's Avatar mamacatsbaby 03:36 PM 07-09-2006
Hi ladies! Okay, newbie, newbie, newbie here... Would any of you fabulous ladies care to point me in the direction of a bit of info to get me going here? I'm getting ready to google some stuff but I thought I would get some input here as well.

What things would you say are essential for starting FAM? Also, I can figure out some of the abbreviations but not all. Is there a sticky somewhere? I'll bet in the main fertility forum, I'll check there as well.

I have a pretty good working knowledge of my monthly cycles and such but since PP I don't think I've had AF. Over the past few days I've been having tons of CM and I swear I O'd yesterday day or the day before, ouch!

We're using the diaphram, which I like, though I wish I could find a natural spermicide. My lady parts are pretty darn sensitive and I would not like to upset things, KWIM? I haven't really had issues now like I did before getting on probiotics though. I know that even with the spermicide we're using that with perfect use the diaphram's failure rate is about 6%. We're also using condoms.

To be extra careful we want to do a combo of the three methods at different times in my cycle. We'd love another babe but would like to wait till DS is about 2 before TTC.

Also, I can't really get to a class. Is there a site online that has teaching sessions and discussions that anyone could recommend?

DS keeps me pretty busy so I haven't really had time to go through June's thread so if I'm asking for a repeat of info already given, so sorry. Search is in the wind.

Hmmm... this turned into a way longer post than I'd intended. Whoops! I can be pretty longwinded though. Anyways, TIA for any input you care to bestow.
cking's Avatar cking 05:54 PM 07-09-2006
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Is anyone on cycle with the moon? I remember reading about lunaception and how our cycles are linked to the phases of the moon because of the night lighting it provides. I think with lunaception you ovulate with the full moon and have your period with the new moon? Am I remembering that right?
Me Me!! I've been really excited about the fact that I've been on cycle with the moon for about the past year. I think it happened gradually after we moved into our house - we have skylights in the bedroom, and I think that's why.

But, I am starting to think that I am moving away from this cycle. I have a 12 day LP, so I think I've usually O'd a few days after the full moon, then AF starts with the new moon. But last month I O'd right at the full moon, and AF showed up a few days before the new moon, so that phenomenon might be ending for me. This month, I believe the full moon is Monday night, so I am a little earlier (I think I Oed yesterday or today). So, who knows, it might just have been a coincidence.


mamacatsbaby, the best place to start is Taking Charge of Your Fertility.

I've been thinking about getting a sticky started with a FAM primer. What do you guys think?
texaspeach's Avatar texaspeach 07:03 PM 07-09-2006
cking I think a sticky FAM primer would be awesome!
mamacatsbaby's Avatar mamacatsbaby 06:45 PM 07-10-2006
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cking I think a sticky FAM primer would be awesome!


Oh, and thanks for the TCOYF (lookie there, using abbreviations already! ) rec!
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