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Please, I'm researching bc methods, am BFing and w/DD didnt get my period back for 15 months. I have the TCOYF book, but at this point don't notice anything helpful except cervix position. I just CAN'T get pregnant again. It would be too much.

I want all positive and negative advice and information.

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I looked into an IUD after my second was born, mind you that was 5 years ago and I am lucky to remember what happened last week
I DO remember though that I wasn't very comfortable with the idea of having one after hearing about the side effects, those being infections, possible infertility later, excessive bleeding, among others (fuzzy brain) and they aren't fool proof, two of my cousins were concieved with an IUD in place. Sorry not much help but do really check them out first.
Maybe a diaphragm? I used one between the two boys, and apart from remembering to have it handy it was ok.
Herbs maybe?
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Here's my 2 cents.

I had the Copper T380 3 years ago. I didn't notice anything different. Some cramping and bleeding following insertion. I got it taken out after about 15 months and got pregnant within a week! In fact, I just got a Mirena put in on Friday. Same deal- bleeding and cramping following insertion but so far nothing else.

For me this is an easy method and really reliable. I cannot get my tubes tied so this is the next best thing (besides him getting his tied and since I'm not married anymore....)
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Hi Laura, My understanding of the IUD is that it doesn't prevent pregnancy, it just prevents the attachment of the egg to the uterus by irritating the uterine walls. Which means you could possibly fertilize an egg each month not not be able to support implantation. This bothers me personally on several levels. I can't help but think it would wreak havoc on your hormones(?). To have something foreign in the body for a length of time is something I am not comfortable doing. I hope you an find something less invasive that works for you and your partner.
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Hi Laura, My understanding of the IUD is that it doesn't prevent pregnancy, it just prevents the attachment of the egg to the uterus by irritating the uterine walls. Which means you could possibly fertilize an egg each month not not be able to support implantation.
Actually, what they pamphlet says is "we do not know how it works exactly..." then goes on to list ways it may. Other theories include imobilizing sperm, irritating to the uterus to have an immune response. Either way, its over 99% effective in preventing pregnancy.
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Actually, what they pamphlet says is "we do not know how it works exactly..."
SCARY!! The fact that they say they don't know how it works tells me they have something to hide! I'm sure it wouldn't go over well to say yes, you fertilize an egg each month, you are just incapable of continuing on with a pregnancy! I think it's BS. (Nothing against you Nathan1097!)
What a crock though to have them say they don't know how it works! :!
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Its been used for a long time, apparently. Starting with putting stones in camel's uteruses to keep them from becoming pregnant. I don't know that I'd jump to the conclusion that its "aborting" a pregnancy. There is a difference between aborting a pregnancy and preventing a fertilized egg from implanting. Not all fertilized eggs implant anyway. Not to mention that if one were to do any number of fertility treatments- IUI, ICSI, etc- there are many "fertilized eggs" which never make it to pregnancy.

So yes I believe they don't know how it works exactly. But they know it DOES work. They have changed the designs over the years, added progesterone, or copper... But its not an outright lie to just say they aren't sure why it works. You make it sound as if they designed this to abort, know that it does, and are denying this fact. I don't think that's the truth.
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After I had it taken out I went on the Pill. I stopped that after nine months to TTC. It took me SEVEN YEARS to get pregnant! I really blame the IUD although I have no way to know for certain
I would be more inclined to blame the pills. I didn't have a period after going off the "regular" pill for over a year. But part of that could've been that I was overweight at the time, or any other number of factors. I wasn't ovulating, that' is for sure. Lots of factors could play into why this person couldn't get pregnant for so long. Once an IUD is removed, there are no residual effects. (Unless there were problems with it of course.) But in my case, I had my copper T taken out and concieved that same week.
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i had a copper T IUD for 5 years and loved it.

you may want to check this thread:

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...threadid=91130

me dh ds1 (11/04) ds2 (7/10) and
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Thanks to everyone for their input. I very much appreciate every positive and negative response. I am much more concerned about side-effects than I am about whether or not an IUD is an abortifacient.
I like the idea of certain of the IUDs being relatively hormone-free. I don't like the idea of a foreign thing being inside my body, but like even less the idea of being pregnant again!
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Now I think that putting a sharp metal object semi-permanently inside my sacred womb is too high a price to pay. But that's just me.
What sharp metal object? IUDs are made of flexible, rounded T-shaped plastic. The copper on the copper-T's isn't sharp either; its wound around the plastic very tightly. (I inspected mine after it was taken out. Tarnished? Yes. Sharp? Not close.)
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And the Pill does not have the potential to cause scarring to your fallopian tubes from a silent infection like the IUD does.
From what I understand, they refer to an advanced case of "PID" from STD's as the kind of infection made worse by an IUD. You make it sound like IUD's can CAUSE infections. This isn't the case.
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The point is that you can't really know. Nobody can. I was told that I had blocked tubes too. Had an HSG which showed one side completely blocked the other apparently open. Still they said I'd NEED IVF to ever have kids. (This was all pre-IUD, of course.) Well, I have 3 kids from 3 pregnancies and none needed any "extra" help in the conception department. You just never know. I told everybody that I couldn't have kids. And now look. My 3rd even concieved within a week AFTER an IUD was removed!
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I don't usually blog unless I have something positive to add...but this is the FIRST time I felt my blood pressure rise reading MDC posts, and I couldn't be silent.

Lili rose -- Cheers to you! You do not need to defend your experiences. Had I survived 7 years of post-IUD infertility, I would be far less forgiving to "medical science" than you appear to be. Your posts were clear, told from a personal angle (non a preaching vantage point) and non-threatening.

Nathan1097 -- Shame on you for being so intolerant! Glad to hear you had a positive experience. I understood that from your first response. Why is it okay for you to accept the side effects but not okay for Lilirose to let others know of possible side effects? Sorry to sound ill-tempered...but I think you owe Lilirose an apology.

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Why is it okay for you to accept the side effects but not okay for Lilirose to let others know of possible side effects?
Part 1: Why is it okay for me to accept the side effects? I don't understand the question exactly.

Part 2: She can let people know about the side effects. Anybody can read the pamphlet that comes with an IUD. Its online, in fact. What I'm doing is disagreeing with her conjecture that her temporary inability to get pregnant was caused by her having had an IUD. She has no proof of that. I'm trying to say "Look at these other reasons that may have been the causes instead of blaming an IUD".
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I have an IUD, had cramping and bleeding upon insertion and no problems since. I looove it! It's something I'm very aware (not that I can feel it, but I've never forgotten that I have it) of but not something I need to devote much thought to w/ regard to sex. I didn't want a hormonal method of BC as I was still nursing ds, but definately didn't want to get pregnant and still don't yet (ds was concieved while we were using condoms GOOD SURPRISE )

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I'm not trying to say any of the other posters are right or wrong here, just presenting my experience.

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And YOU have no proof that it WASN'T the IUD. I am very in tune with my body, whereas you, on the other hand, have never met me, never even laid eyes on me. So what makes you think that you know everything about my body, my fertility? What makes you think you can second guess both me AND the infertility specialist I saw?
I don't have proof of that anymore than you have proof that it was. But you are SAYING it was with no proof but conjecture. I don't know YOUR body, but I have been through infertility with a specialist, an HSG, two IUDs... I also have scarring inside- mostly on one side. NOT due to an IUD OR an infection. It was from surgery. But it would've been very easy for me to blame having had an IUD if I'd found this out AFTER having had it.

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And the biggest question is WHY are you so desperate to "sell" the IUD?
I'm not. I only want to point out that what you say about an IUD being the cause of your temporary infertility is not necessarily so. This is how people go to bulletin boards and read "IUDs cause infertility". That is inaccurate.

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I only wanted to share my experience and allow the mom to make her own choice knowing that some people have good experiences and other people have bad experiences. You came in here and posted EIGHT TIMES on a single page thread trying to convince everyone that the IUD is the greatest thing sincle sliced bread and anyone who says anything besides that is just plain wrong. WTF is up with that?
What is wrong with it is the emotional aspect that doesn't need to be here. Counting my posts, putting words in my mouth about having said it was "the greatest thing since sliced bread"... I'm just disagreeing with your emotional claim that IUDs cause infections which cause infertility.


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I deeply resent your insistence on discounting everything I say- especially the implication that I might have had an STD, and the way you make seven years of infertility sound like a very insignificant problem. It's not insignificant. Seven years is a long d@mned time and if I can spare ANY woman the pain I suffered, both physical pain because of the IUD and emotional pain from not being able to get pregnant, I will do it.
All I said was that its most likely an STD that is the culprit for IUD infections that cause infertility- which is in the pamphlet that comes with the IUD. Here is the quote (it says nothing about "You probably got an STD and that's why".)

From what I understand, they refer to an advanced case of "PID" from STD's as the kind of infection made worse by an IUD. You make it sound like IUD's can CAUSE infections. This isn't the case.

You are still wrapped up in the emotions of your infertility. Its easy to blame an IUD- but LOTS of people have been through infertility and they have NOTHING to blame! They can't go to boards and say "Don't _______ because you may become infertile."
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I don't need to be a psychologist to see that you're being extremely emotional in your posts here. And you don't have to be a reproductive endocrinologist to know about scar tissue and HSG's, etc. I'm not pretending to be a doctor; I don't see why you would say such a thing. I also don't think you're crazy. Stirred up, yes. Stubborn, yep. But I'm stubborn too. I still don't believe that you have enough solid evidence to say that an IUD caused your infertility. First of all, because you HAD kids after and second of all, didn't you say it was even your doctor's GUESS that this was the case? IUD's go nowhere near the tubes.... It really is confusing how an IUD could cause either scar tissue or infection in and of itself; that is, without there being something ELSE going on to cause these things.
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What a crock though to have them say they don't know how it works! :!
I agree. After my second child I was going to go on the mini pill. I asked the doctor straight out if it could prevent implantation and she said no. When I got home I read the insert and it said that it was believed that could be the way it works. I think they don't want to tell people this because they really want everyone to use birth control and they know some women won't if they knew that. The IUD has been known to work that way as well--preventing implantation. I'd never use it for that reason alone, never mind all the other bad things I've read about it.
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From what I understand, they refer to an advanced case of "PID" from STD's as the kind of infection made worse by an IUD. You make it sound like IUD's can CAUSE infections. This isn't the case.
The string on the IUD acts as a wick to draw germs and bacteria into the uterus and the pelvic cavity and cause low grade infections. It can also irritate the cervix which we know is a cite for lots of cancer.

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This thread is becoming pretty emotional. Can everyone take a moment and try and be a little more objective?

Just because one person has had great experiences with a certain birth control method doesn't mean everyone will and it isn't fair to completely discount someone's experiences because they are not in harmony with your own.

My mother got pregnant on an IUD so I don't really consider it an option for me. There has also been a wide range of experiences with them. The IUDs they are using now are pretty new. I don't think we will know all the possible side effects of them for awhile.

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The string on the IUD acts as a wick to draw germs and bacteria into the uterus and the pelvic cavity and cause low grade infections. It can also irritate the cervix which we know is a cite for lots of cancer.
Both valid reasons for not getting an IUD. Keep in mind, however, that the 'string' is made of microfilament polyethylene so NOT very likely to WICK anything. Also, most cervical cancers are causd by a virus and not as a result of irritation. If this were true then we'd ALL have to stop having sex .

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I think it's important to remember how we are each unique and individual. What works/doesn't work for one of us will be the opposite for someone else! It's also important to remember that when discussing feelings of infertility, emotions can run extremely raw!
There is nothing worse than taking an eternity to conceive and then hearing someone say they got pregnant just by winking at her dh. (so to speak). We members that have experienced infertility are willing to
'blame' everything that crossed our path!!!!!

For me, I blame the Pill that I took for 7 years before I TTC.....it then took 3 years to get my ds1. . I now have a Copper T IUD and am liking it to a point. I too bleed heavily during my period and it lasts for about 9 days. Besides that all is well with it. I've had it for almost 3 years.
But again, everybody's body deals with things differently.
I wish you good luck with yours
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I have had 2 IUDs (have the 2nd right now) and love them! They don't cause me any side effects, and I was pregnant the 1st month I TTC after having the 1st one removed.

I agree with Jennie that scar tissue from infection is not likely to be caused by the IUD, but by PID, which can be exacerbated but not caused by the IUD. I also believe you are more likely to be pregnant while having an IUD than ending up with infertility as the result of having had one.

In my experience, talking to many people who have had them, the biggest problems come from having an IUD without first having had a pregnancy - which is contraindicated by the makers to begin with. There were also a lot of problems with the ones around in the 1970s, but the new current design has eliminated those problems.

One important thing to note that I have not seen mentioned here is the hormone vs. no hormone issue. The Paraguard Copper-T IUD has NO hormones, but the Mirena DOES have synthetic progesterones. So if you get a Mirena you Are getting hormones which could cause the same long-term hormonal problems you would get from the pill or any other hormonal contraceptive method. The antecedent infertility problems would not be because of the IUD itself, but because of the hormones that were a part of it.

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