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#1 of 20 Old 02-28-2009, 10:56 PM - Thread Starter
 
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My girlfriend told me her friend's experience and I just want to share this. This is absolutely appalling.
This is long, please bear with me!!

First off, let me say my girlfriend was pregnant with twins. She was referred through her general practicioner to a Dr. Jones here in Las Vegas. When he came in the room she was immediately uncomfortable by him, he never made eye contact, and he mumbled so horribly neither her nor her husband really had any idea what he was saying... She was extremely sick, and he ordered some heavy thyroid testing to determine why she was so ill. She casually mentioned "I thought that was normal with twins".. after talking to her for over 20 minutes he FINALLY picked up the chart and said "oh. twins? yeah. thats what it is."
Later on in the meeting she said she was having severe constipation. He told her she would have to have surgery in which he would "go all the way up to his elbow in her intestines and pull out the poop". (I am not kidding.) Instead of perscribing any kind of laxative or to even drink more water!
The next visit he did a pap, and made her incredibly uncomfortable. Thankfully her husband was there to lend some sort of barrier between her and this "doctor". After leaving the dr's office she didn't feel as sick anymore. She had lost one of her twins. Something in her gut told her he was an incredibly bad person and she went to a new dr. But not before telling one of her girlfriends to beware if she was ever pregnant, and not go to that dr!
Well, come to find out, the girl is now 7 weeks pregnant, and went to THE VERY DOCTOR SHE WAS TOLD NOT TO SEE.
Here's HER story.

She went in for her pap, and to meet her new OB. It was the same Dr. Jones that Dayna had such a bad experience with. She said he was "very nice and gave me lots of samples" (like all OB doctors on your first visit). And that he , during a pelvic (a full on pelvic exam??) stuck his hands into her and MOVED THE BABY AROUND SO SHE COULD FEEL WHERE IT WAS INSIDE OF HER.
HE MOVED THE 7 WEEK OLD EMBRYO AROUND WITH HIS HANDS!? Is this normal practice?? I was under the impression touching or manipulating the baby at that early of a stage could be FATAL! And why would he need to stick his entire arm inside her to feel something THAT small!??! We were DUMBFOUNDED! Now, I could be wrong in thinking this is completely inapprorpriate and report worthy.. someone please help me!

Also, at Motherhood, shopping for some maternity clothes my girlfriend Dayna met another mother who was talking about this Dr. Jones character, and told a story of how one mother went in complaining of sickness and stomach cramps, and he told her (without doing even a PEE test to confirm a pregnancy) she needed a D&C because SHE HAD A TUMOR. 9 months later, she gave birth to a healthy baby girl, but he DID perform the D&C!!!!! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!!!!!

Does anyone know of ANYTHING like this happening to you or your friends?? I cannot wrap my head around this doctor having a medical license.

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Wait...what?

How is this even remotely possible? Cervix is closed, mucus plug intact, 7 weeks pregnant?

I would check on the validity of this very weird story if I were you.
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That is crazy. Horrible. Ridiculous. i have never heard of anything like that.

Is the mom and babies okay now???
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Wait...what?

How is this even remotely possible? Cervix is closed, mucus plug intact, 7 weeks pregnant?

I would check on the validity of this very weird story if I were you.
good point. Is this even possible??!
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That is what Im saying. How is this even POSSIBLE? The girl was all excited that he "moved the baby around with his fingers" . We were just floored. I keep hoping she was simply communicating it wrong, and he was moving the baby around from the outside, since that physically isn't even possible..

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If this is all true it sounds more like he was molesting her- moving his fingers around inside her and saying it was 'the baby'. Yuck. There's no way he was in her uterus.

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I would tell this poor girl to report that creep to the LV Medical Board ASAP!:

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He may have moved her uterus around. He didn't get her fingers into her closed fingers and touch the embryo. A 7 week embryo would be about 1 inch long. Even if he were able to move it, she wouldn't have felt the embryo itself. She may have felt her uterus.

As for the D&C and subsequent baby. Well, it's on the fringe of possibility, but I suppose it could be true.

I'd say the doctor sounds creepy, but the medical details of these stories also don't add up. It's not uncommon for patients to be extremely fuzzy on technical details.
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I am just relaying the stories I've heard. The D&C situation confuses the hell out of me too. Either way, they are all from unrelated sources, and basically the overall message is that this Dr is unethical and a borderline pervert.
If not full blown.

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Also, she was saying he was moving it around in her tummy so she could "feel his location".. Not with her own fingers. Just internally.
I have never had this happen at ANY drs visit and my next question is, isn't that the point of the dating ultrasound? Would the location of the wand not be enough indication of where the baby was sitting??? He didn't need to feel anything. Am I right?

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Well it is pretty typical for OBs to do an internal exam on the first visit, and they can feel the uterus and tell how big it is that way. Sounds like she was a little confused, but the doc definitely sounds creepy.

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You can move the uterus at any point. I've had a bimanual exam where I felt the doc move my uterus (I was expecting this and was ok with it -it wasn't during pregnancy). There's no way that guy could have "moved the baby around" so she could feel it. He was either molesting her in a weird way, or doing a bimanual exam and moved her uterus.

I do think this guy sounds pretty whacked out and people should complain to the licensing board if they have a bad experience with him.
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Wow. I really don't know what to say about this doctor other than if these things are true, he definitely needs to have his license pulled. Total, I have been to around seven different OBs. None of the OBs I used would have ever done any of the things it has been alleged he did, or even think about doing those things. (One of the OBs in retrospect I regard as "weird" and possibly a quack, but even he would have never done those things!)

With the first mother's experience of losing a twin, mother's intuition can be a great indicator. But with the other stories, something doesn't exactly add up. With both DDs, I have had pelvic exams at the first OB visit, or when transferring to a new OB. Never once did any of them feel the need to violate me as your friend was.

In regards to the D&C, the lady could have become pregnant immediately afterwards with a new baby or even perhaps carried her baby through somehow. Anything is possible I suppose.

Even if you have not had any negative experiences with this doctor, I would think you could report him as you have heard numerous accounts of experiences with him. Overall it seems as that would be in the local public's best interest.

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No offense, but these stories sound totally silly. I'm sure plenty of details were "lost in translation" - this sounds like a bad game of Telephone.

I wouldn't take any action on your part. You've never seen the doctor or had any direct contact with him. If your friends are as concerned as you, they can contact the licensing board, but it doesn't sound (as convoluted as the stories seem) like he committed malpractice or anything they would investigate him over.

As a former health care professional, I'd chalk up what was going on here to simple miscommunication and misunderstandings on the part of the patients. The guy may be a creep, but unless he's lost his mind, you've probably heard a less than accurate version of what really happened.

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Even if the details from the patients are off, there are enough red flags about his "approach" in each story that I would at least call the board and ask them if those things need to be reported. Or call another doctor in the practice and alert them to his behavior. What concerns me most is that, whatever the misunderstanding/misleading about "moving the baby" was, that the doc has poor boundaries which may or may not be leading to abuse. There's no way for you to know, but I think it's worth checking out and following up a bit.

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If this is all true it sounds more like he was molesting her- moving his fingers around inside her and saying it was 'the baby'. Yuck. There's no way he was in her uterus.
I agree. This man needs to be reported. He is obviously taking advantage of these poor women while getting his kicks. How sad and disgusting.

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This sounds EXACTLY like a bad case of "telephone"!

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Okay, you know, you don't know anything about this guy. I'm not saying he ISN'T a creep, but it's ridiculous to jump to the conclusion that he's a pervert and he's sexually abusing his patients. Holy crap, people. Haven't you ever had a situation (I'm thinking elementary school) where you heard the worst possible things about someone through the grapevine just to find out (sometimes years later) that it was all made up or misunderstood?

Do you know what it does to someone's career to be investigated for a charge as serious as sexually abusing patients? And for this all to come from HEARSAY? It's time for a reality check.

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There is a technique used as a low-tech way to confirm pregnancy called ballotment. The practitioner does a vaginal exam and then taps the uterus with his/her finger and waits for the baby to bounce upward and then hit the bottom of the uterus. If the practitioner doesn't feel the embryo bounce, no baby. I would imagine that if the doctor was bothering to do this he might ask the mom if she could feel the baby bounce too.

There are lots of other ways to tell if a woman is still pregnant, though. I'm a bit suspicious of a practitioner who would use this method because it is so invasive.

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I would be wary of posting his real name, as you could end up being accused of defamation.
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