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#121 of 1252 Old 03-03-2014, 03:49 PM
 
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Rosie I'm sorry for what you are going through and I hope to see you back ASAP.

AFM, I am trying to not go crazy so can someone check my logic for a second here?

Say I have a starting hcg level of 3. And then say I implanted on 8 DPO based off of my chart that would mean that at 10 DPO I would be 6, 12 DPO I would be 12 (first faint positive test) and 14 DPO I know I was 24 because of my blood test. Everyone is saying that 24 is such a low number but is it based off of that doubling logic? I don't find out my next test results until tomorrow but to me this makes sense and I'm not quite sure why 24 is so low then. Now obviously if I don't double appropriately there is a cause for concern. To be honest I wish I had just not had my blood tested. I wonder how many women don't even know their numbers are low in the beginning and end up fine.

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alive, I think your logic is sound.  I do think that the average doubling time is more like 24-36 hours when the hcg is still in that range.  But averages are averages because people have lower and higher doubling time.  Plenty have 48 hour doubling time in that range.  I wouldn't worry if I were you.

 

My 11 DPO (this morning) was darker, but not to my satisfaction.  Just took another, and it's actually quite faint.  Not looking good.


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Man I hate just not knowing if we get to keep our baby or not. I'm saying we are until my body proves me otherwise but it's constant insanity having to calm myself down.

Don't get too worked up about those lines quite yet. Mine did the same thing and then darkened again.

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alive - Yes, your logic is sound. 

I think the basis that most use is that HPTs usually register positive around 10ish hcg... so when I originally thought you had 5 days since your first BFP that's why I thought it was low. 

But after putting the kibosh on my crazypants thinking and realizing that you'd only been testing for 3 days, your # made sense.  Starting day 1 at 10hcg, then 2 days later 24.  Right on track. 

 

Supposedly the doubling time can range from 31-72 hours when the hcg is below 1200 (and still be considered normal). 

 

This stinks for you - you're being put through the wringer by so many speculators (including me).  I know you are doing this already, but I can't help seconding your notion to just focus on the objective data of that number you get tomorrow!  What a wait!

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I meant also to say -- inna, your belly shot is adorable!  I bet you "pop" in another month or so...

 

rosie, I am glad you are not having to wait more than one cycle.  I hope they have answers for you and that you are back in here soon.


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Don't get too worked up about those lines quite yet. Mine did the same thing and then darkened again.

Thank you for reminding me of that.   :love  I will hope that it was just a dilution issue or due to the fact that it's out of a new box (diff batch) or something.   I got my beta drawn today.  I will do a rough estimation of my doubling time like you are doing until I get my repeat on Wednesday.  


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This is what the APA site had to say about hcg doubling times. 

   In a bout 85% of normal pregnancies, the hCG level will double every 48 – 72 hours.

 

jenjy - Ugh, STRESS!  Why oh why can no one's lines just get darker like normal right now?  Is it the moon phase or a bad planetary alignment?  It sure has me on pins and needles and I DO NOT like it!  SO hoping things get straightened out and follow a clear and easy path going forward.  I think I need some chocolate now.  Stat.  faint.gif

 

Re the belly shot - I joke that the baby is really in my butt cheeks cuz that's where all the roundness is.  :Sheepish

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Here's something interesting. I dug up the FDA sheet on the ClearBlue digi test with weeks estimator.  Here are the avg hcg ranges for each level.

 

Weeks

hcg

 1-2

10-155

 2-3

156-2599

 3+

2600+

 

I will post this on the TTC forum too. 

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/K112870.pdf

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I LOVE that chart.  That is fascinating!  :heartbeat  I love that you look this stuff up.  You know I'm going to reference it, too, if given the chance.

 

So, I went in and did some fancy calculations with variable (dependent on hcg value) doubling time based on the median doubling time given for ranges at betabase, and assuming a value of 7 when I first tested.  (Going with 7 as a worst-case since I believe FRERs has been shown to be that sensitive.)  And my target is just a 26 for today's draw.  I can do that!  Come on!


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jenjy - I had never seen that section of the Betabase website before.  I only came across it for the first time a few weeks ago.  I do wish they'd use the mean instead of the median, or list both, but it's still great info.  I did the rough calculation, working backwards from your projected 26 hcg and all looks good with your figures.  Not that I suspected anything to be off... I'm just nerdy like that.  read.gif

 

I look forward to hearing your result tomorrow! 

 

Oh, and I'm glad you like my chart!  Now if CB would only make those ranges a little tighter ppl could use them for some seriously fun stuff.  I guess there is such a product - that earlypregnancytests.com has one called Detect5 that indicates hcg levels of 25, 100, 500, 2,000, and 10,000.  I haven't seen anyone here use 'em yet though - I think they're a little pricey.

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It's a good thing you checked my numbers.  Pregnancy brain has set in EARLY and STRONG here.  For example, I just realized 7 would be the best case scenario, not worst-case.  If it was actually something like 12 when I first tested, then my target for today would be higher - like 35?   Hrm.  If only I knew some brilliant researcher who could uncover the connection between the typical level of faintness on a FRER for a given hcg value.  ;)  :lol 


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Bottom line was my darker one today. I feel like if this was a chem it wouldn't have gotten that dark and would be gone by now. Doesn't mean everything is in the clear but I feel hopeful.

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jenjy - yes there's some wiggle room with the numbers, but if you jump up to 8 even as your starting point the doubling time lengthens a bit so you still end up in the same ballpark.  Let's wait and see what the number is before we break out the big calculators and scary equations!  I caught that with the best/worst case but knew what you were talkin' bout.  Here's a chart for you - another FDA sheet, this time on FRER.

 

This is really interesting because in the low range, below 8, the results are really hit and miss.  Perhaps your number really was that low (I know the line couldn't have been any fainter and still be detected by humans).  That may fully explain why you are getting some abnormal/inconsistent results. 

 

                           Samples with hCG

                                            Results

  Study 1 (104 consumers)

 

  0 hcg

 104/104 negative

  8 hcg

 101/104 positive (97%)

  10 hcg

 101/104 positive (97%)

  12 hcg

 104/104 positive

 

 

 Study 2 (~300 consumers total)

 

  0 hcg (n=104)

 104/104 negative

  3.2 hcg (n=102)

 5/102 positive (5%)

  6.3 hcg (n=104)

 40/104 positive (38%)

 

Here's the link:

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/K083716.pdf

 

p.s.  It's a miracle that my preg brain can pull this off.  Last week I served two pieces of cake... one was on the plate like normal but the other plate was upside down.  Uh huh.  Wow.

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Bottom line was my darker one today. I feel like if this was a chem it wouldn't have gotten that dark and would be gone by now. Doesn't mean everything is in the clear but I feel hopeful.


alive - that definitely does look darker.  Tomorrow's lab result needs to hurry up so we can hopefully set aside all this angst!  Fingers crossed! 

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flyby...

Alive -- that looks awesome!!!  YES!

 

inna - what can I say!  You are amazing!!   

 

My test this morning does seem darker than yesterday morning's!!  :joy   I have to run but when I get back this evening, I will post the progression with yesterday evening's outlier.  


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My temps are dropping. I've about had it with worrying. If this baby is meant to stay it will.

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My temps are dropping. I've about had it with worrying. If this baby is meant to stay it will.


alive - I looked at your chart but I guess you didn't post the temps.  I think that temps are pretty variable once pg has been established.  My understanding is that it spikes initially due to the surge in progesterone and your body's reaction to implantation (a foreign invader - but the immune system is mediated to not attack).  Once that happens I believe estrogen picks up quite a bit and that will bring the temp down intermittently. 

 

When do you think you'll get the hcg results?   You mentioned you can look online?  I've never had a doc's office with that capability... would really like that though.

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It dropped down to the cover line. Yesterday it was 97.7 and today 97.4. I need to stop temping.

I bet I will find out in the next two hours or so nurses usually call around lunch time. They have the capability to put my test results online but they haven't been.

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alive - are you scheduled for any more blood draws?  I guess that a lot is riding on these results today.

However, if you don't have one already scheduled I'd have no trouble asking for one more set while you're on the phone. 

Did you do another HPT this morning?

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They will schedule when they call with results typically. If my number is high enough I may not though. I don't know if I can keep doing them and freaking myself out. My hpt this morning was just as dark as yesterday. No spotting no cramping... Mostly just feel like crap and sick to my stomach.

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My temps are dropping. I've about had it with worrying. If this baby is meant to stay it will.


I stopped temping once I got that BFP. There is just too much to worry about. Don't waste the energy. Easier said than done I know, trust me.

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I stopped temping once I got that BFP. There is just too much to worry about. Don't waste the energy. Easier said than done I know, trust me.

I could give up temping. I hate it lol. Now stopping myself from poas constantly.. That's going to be harder. I'm not taking any testing supplies on my upcoming cruise.

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That was the hardest part of getting a BFP - letting go of those daily habits of "doing something" to measure fertility.  It was so strange just to stop - I think I was 20dpo or so before I ran out of tests and finally let it go.  bag.gif

 

This process makes us at least half crazy, I'm sure of it!

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Well ladies looks like I'm demoted as well. My number was only 54. I've started spotting and expect it to get worse. I knew I had too many warning signs for this to be a happy ending.

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Oh Alive I am so sorry that you are going through such turmoil with your first pg.  I too mc #1 and it steals away your ability to not be on edge about getting pg again. 

Hugs to you!  The one thing to remember is that even tho it didn't happen this time, that special baby is on his/her way someday and will be possible only bc this happened.  Take good care of yourself and look for the positive in each day.  I'll be thinking about you and following along on the TTC thread.  :Hug

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I don't know how to let go when my body won't. Still haven't picked up in bleeding and spotting stopped again. This is an absolute mind fuck. greensad.gif

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I'm sorry alive. Get drunk, cry on hubby's shoulder, and get back on the horse. 50-60% of pregnancies are generally thought to be chemical. It's even making me feel a tad better. Chances are the next one will stick! And now you know you can get pregnant. And DH at least has swimmers. You didn't know that for sure....I'm so sorry.

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If 50-60% of pregnancies are chemical why even bother? That is such a high number. And I'm still testing positive so I would have known about this even if I had waited to test.

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If 50-60% of pregnancies are chemical why even bother? That is such a high number. And I'm still testing positive so I would have known about this even if I had waited to test.
Me too. Idk....there are no right words. It's so unfair.

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My test this morning does seem darker than yesterday morning's!!    I have to run but when I get back this evening, I will post the progression with yesterday evening's outlier.

jenjy - keeping my hopes up that you got some good news from the doc today re your hcg levels.  I very much look forward to seeing those tests. 

Had you ever seen that FRER info before?  I'd never run across anything scientific like that - only anecdotal reports of ppl who tested and then got hcg blood work done.

 

edubluv - still hanging in there lady?  You're right in the thick of it - hopefully only 3-4 more weeks till you get to back to feeling like yourself!

 

 

AFM:  2nd day of feeling human again.  I've actually accomplished things that required brain power, exercised, and am still coherent at 4pm.  The house isn't exactly clean but hey, it's progress.  hide.gif

My appt that I thought was today isn't until Thursday.  I had the date wrong... luckily DH has this stuff memorized.  Looks like Friday may be my big reveal day (for the few in my family to tell).  DH's family is still on the program of first caller:  the first one that actually calls us (~never~) will be the one we tell.  Otherwise we may just go for it on April fools day and let them wonder!

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