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Watery red bleeding second trimester

I'm 23 weeks and starting yesterday at lunch, I noticed pink spotting when I wiped. During the afternoon, it progressed to being little squirts of pinkish liquid. (We were on a 7 hour ride to vacation, and when I called the OB office, they said to go to the hospital when we arrived.)

That evening once we checked into our condo, I had some squirts of red liquid and panicked as I felt pressure, so I got a ride to the local hospital in an ambulance. They took me to L&D and baby was fine on monitor, no contractions, cervix closed, no amniotic fluid on nitrazine paper, no vaginal infections, no bladder infection, no protein in my urine. Nothing of concern. They discharged me and said pelvic rest.

All night long I kept leaking/squirting more red watery fluid. I put a washcloth between my legs and had soaked it with red watery fluid in five hours. It's not thick opaque blood; more like blood with water, bright pink. Has no smell. It's not pee, as I did pee throughout the night and I could feel the fluid coming out my vagina, not my urethra.

I called my OB again today and he said that though it was not normal, it sounds like the local hospital did what they should have to rule out the major problems. They did not do an ultrasound, but he said that not all hospitals have good machines and so they may not have been able to see anything anyway. He said that it was up to me - if I was especially nervous, I could cut my vacation short and go home to be seen by them, but that it was also reasonable to wait and stay here.

Baby still moves. I feel fine other than being nervous. I know my placenta is not low. I know it is not hemorrhoids as no blood or pain happens when I poop. I just don't know what to do. Stories of everything being ok would be great. Or anything.

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As a FTM to be right now I don't have a lot of experience with this but I did want to send you good thoughts. I really do think it's a good sign that so far baby looked great and your cervix is closed. I would definitely get a more thorough check up to find the source of the bleeding as soon as you can of course.

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Oh no! I'm sorry! How scary and stressful! And how bizarre, too! It's a wonderful, good thing the tests show it's not amniotic fluid.... But geez, what the heck IS it then?? As confusing and stressful as the whole thing is, try your best to find comfort in the doctors and the testing that are all saying perfectly hopeful, positive things. .

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Oh no! I'm sorry! How scary and stressful! And how bizarre, too! It's a wonderful, good thing the tests show it's not amniotic fluid.... But geez, what the heck IS it then?? As confusing and stressful as the whole thing is, try your best to find comfort in the doctors and the testing that are all saying perfectly hopeful, positive things. .
That's what I am trying to do. We are at a time share resort with lots of kids activities, so I am just going to lie low and do lots of sitting by the pool. Baby is still quite active. Hopefully the bleeding tapers off and we can have a normal vacation. I feel bad because DH works so hard and I so wanted to have a nice break with some "mommy and daddy nap time."

What makes me worry is that baby is on the cusp of viability. If I were at home, my hospital has a level 3 NICU and so I think they would do everything possible to save baby. I feel like if I were there, I would feel better. I don't know what they have around here. The hospital I went to had a combined LDRP unit and they did not do an ultrasound - don't know if that's because they don't have a very good machine or what.

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How are you feeling? How have things progressed this afternoon? Hopefully the leaking is tapering off?

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How are you feeling? How have things progressed this afternoon? Hopefully the leaking is tapering off?
It stopped once I got up and I only had one tiny pink spot all day. I took it really easy and was really tired but did lie at the pool, sit around the condo, and go out to dinner.

Just now when I got in bed for the evening, I thought I would take off my panties and liner since it had stopped, and of course got a gush when I got in bed, so I stood up to put my panties back on and had a gush of bright pink red watery fluid flow down my legs. I got upset, shoved a washcloth between my legs, and am now sitting half reclined in bed. Baby is very active right now, which is normal for her (busy once I lie down.)

What the $&@#?! Why would it stop all day and start again at night?

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Drove to hospital that has level 3 NICU. It is amniotic fluid though it didn't show on nitrazine. Baby still looks good and cervix still closed.

Now getting all sorts of antibiotics and have to stay in hospital and stay pregnant for at least five more weeks. NICU, perinatologist and MFM coming to talk in morning.

We are 7 hours away from home. DH took kids to motel. MIL driving down tomorrow to take care of them.
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Oh wow! I'm so sorry! And I can't believe this is all happening 7 hours from home!! Oh man.. Sigh. I've been thinking about you all day. Keep us updated the best you can! Lots of prayers and good wishes coming at you.... I'm SO glad there are no cervical changes at least.

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Oh wow! I'm so sorry! And I can't believe this is all happening 7 hours from home!! Oh man.. Sigh. I've been thinking about you all day. Keep us updated the best you can! Lots of prayers and good wishes coming at you.... I'm SO glad there are no cervical changes at least.
I can't believe it either. It's surreal. This has been the hardest pregnancy with so many problems. And now... to maybe not even have a baby to take home in the end... I just don't know what to do.
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Oh my goodness. You poor mama. It seems like one thing after another. My heart aches for you and the fear you must be battling.

I could be totally wrong, but this is what I'd be trying to think about if I were in your position: The hospital will be keeping your fluids high, which should help you to replace any amniotic fluid that you've lost. And I'd try looking up high leaks, and sack of waters repairs. I'm pretty sure that some leaks repair themselves. I just don't know the circumstances.

Please be gentle with yourself. You and your baby girl have been through so much together already, I bet your relationship with her will be awesome.
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Oh my goodness. You poor mama. It seems like one thing after another. My heart aches for you and the fear you must be battling.

I could be totally wrong, but this is what I'd be trying to think about if I were in your position: The hospital will be keeping your fluids high, which should help you to replace any amniotic fluid that you've lost. And I'd try looking up high leaks, and sack of waters repairs. I'm pretty sure that some leaks repair themselves. I just don't know the circumstances.

Please be gentle with yourself. You and your baby girl have been through so much together already, I bet your relationship with her will be awesome.
Thank you. I really hope I get to have a relationship with her. I don't know if I should hope yet. I need more sleep and food to be more positive.

The nurse seems to think my leaking has been minimal, but it all feels like a big deal to me. We will see on ultrasound today how much fluid there is.
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Galatea, I am sorry you are going through this. My heart aches for you and your family. I hope you can get plenty of rest and that your bag will reseal. Try to eat oranges and other sources of vitamin C whenever possible to help strengthen your baby's water bag. My thoughts are with you. I'm hoping for the best.
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Since it is minimal leaking that seems to come more when you are in bed (reclined), it sounds like a very high leak. Sometimes, the membranes can re-seal. I have seen moms at our hospital go for many weeks before they deliver after PPROM. I am glad you are at a level 3 NICU hospital now with good monitoring and a perinatologist on staff... they will monitor you more closely. How did they determine that it was amniotic fluid then? Is it still not showing on the nitrazine?

How are you feeling? I can't believe you are 7 hours from home! SO SO SO sorry about the nasty timing of all of this. Thinking and praying for you! This is one special little lady in your womb! SO much you have already been through together. Please keep us updated when you know more!

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oh wow, Galatea! I'm so sorry this is happening to you and so far from home! Are you going to be able to be trasported back to your home hospital? I certainly hope so, I can't imagine the stress - I'm sending all the positive energy I can your way - healthy baby girl, healthy mama

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Since it is minimal leaking that seems to come more when you are in bed (reclined), it sounds like a very high leak. Sometimes, the membranes can re-seal. I have seen moms at our hospital go for many weeks before they deliver after PPROM. I am glad you are at a level 3 NICU hospital now with good monitoring and a perinatologist on staff... they will monitor you more closely. How did they determine that it was amniotic fluid then? Is it still not showing on the nitrazine?

How are you feeling? I can't believe you are 7 hours from home! SO SO SO sorry about the nasty timing of all of this. Thinking and praying for you! This is one special little lady in your womb! SO much you have already been through together. Please keep us updated when you know more!

Much love to you!!!!
I knew it was fluid so I told them that and they had a special test with a qtip and vial and that was positive.

The one doc said that people tend to make it a week. Won't know more til see more docs, and obviously wait and see.
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A week! Well I don't believe Dr. Doom and Gloom. Chapsie's witnessed 82 bazillion pregnant mamas and said lots of them go for many weeks after PROM! I believe her.


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Since it is minimal leaking that seems to come more when you are in bed (reclined), it sounds like a very high leak. Sometimes, the membranes can re-seal. I have seen moms at our hospital go for many weeks before they deliver after PPROM. I am glad you are at a level 3 NICU hospital now with good monitoring and a perinatologist on staff... they will monitor you more closely. How did they determine that it was amniotic fluid then? Is it still not showing on the nitrazine?

How are you feeling? I can't believe you are 7 hours from home! SO SO SO sorry about the nasty timing of all of this. Thinking and praying for you! This is one special little lady in your womb! SO much you have already been through together. Please keep us updated when you know more!

Much love to you!!!!
They had a special kit with a swab and vial that showed it was fluid.

For ultrasound. Have not seen peri doc yet but tech said she would not have known I was ruptured had my chart not said it. Baby 1 lb 6 oz. fluid index 14 I think?

Waiting on nicu consult and peri report to ob hospitalist.
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Everyone has already given such good advice, just know that we're all thinking about you and pulling for you and your little girl. I hope the bag reseals itself or that at least you find out you haven't lost much fluid. So does this mean you have to stay in the hospital there until you deliver? So much added stress being so far from home. I hope the next set of specialists have positive things to say. She's definitely a little fighter and being over 1lb is a good sign. Sending you lots of good thoughts as you both fight your way through this.


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They had a special kit with a swab and vial that showed it was fluid.

For ultrasound. Have not seen peri doc yet but tech said she would not have known I was ruptured had my chart not said it. Baby 1 lb 6 oz. fluid index 14 I think?

Waiting on nicu consult and peri report to ob hospitalist.

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Everyone has already given such good advice, just know that we're all thinking about you and pulling for you and your little girl. I hope the bag reseals itself or that at least you find out you haven't lost much fluid. So does this mean you have to stay in the hospital there until you deliver? So much added stress being so far from home. I hope the next set of specialists have positive things to say. She's definitely a little fighter and being over 1lb is a good sign. Sending you lots of good thoughts as you both fight your way through this.
They think they might send me back to Pittsburgh after 48 hours of IV antibiotics as I would be taking oral at that point no matter where I was. Also because under 24 weeks, they wouldn't try to save the baby anyway.

But since my MIL is taking the kids home, if we go home just us,it would be much quicker drive. Not nine billion stops with everyone needing something.

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I hope you have an easy and restful trip home. I wish you the best of luck with this.
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That's good news about getting home, at least. Are there any NICUs in Pittsburgh that attempt life-saving procedures after 22 weeks? I know each hospital is different and you are really hoping the baby just stays put, but there are hospitals where the cutoff is 22 weeks and a certain weight for the baby (which I think you already exceeded). @Chapsie would know much more about this than I do.

Sending lots of positive thoughts for an easy and quick ride home and even better news when you get there. I'm so sorry this has been such a traumatic pregnancy. You and your little one are fighters. Update us if you want to and can when you get home.



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They think they might send me back to Pittsburgh after 48 hours of IV antibiotics as I would be taking oral at that point no matter where I was. Also because under 24 weeks, they wouldn't try to save the baby anyway.

But since my MIL is taking the kids home, if we go home just us,it would be much quicker drive. Not nine billion stops with everyone needing something.

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That's good news about getting home, at least. Are there any NICUs in Pittsburgh that attempt life-saving procedures after 22 weeks? I know each hospital is different and you are really hoping the baby just stays put, but there are hospitals where the cutoff is 22 weeks and a certain weight for the baby (which I think you already exceeded). @Chapsie would know much more about this than I do.

Sending lots of positive thoughts for an easy and quick ride home and even better news when you get there. I'm so sorry this has been such a traumatic pregnancy. You and your little one are fighters. Update us if you want to and can when you get home.
I found an article that said that my home hospital will try on babies less than 24 weeks, but that still doesn't mean the baby will survive.
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At 23 weeks, the neonatologists will have an in depth consult with the mother (when there is preterm labor or PPROM) and tell them the suspected outcome and the prognosis for a baby surviving such a preterm birth. They look at estimated fetal weights and measurements and talk about whether or not they want life saving measures or if they want only comfort care. Usually, at 23 weeks, nursery staff and a neonatologist will attend the birth and depending on how big the baby is, what gestational age the baby looks (if the dates were right), and how vigorous the baby is, they will decide what to do at that point. I have been on several 23 week deliveries. The prognosis isn't great, but some 23 week babies have survived and done quite well.

There was a case where a mother wanted only comfort care for her 24 week baby after her consult and so no heroic measures were taken to save the baby... and a day and a half later, the baby was still vigorous (even rooting for a breast!) with only being held by the mother (no oxygen, isolette, no IV, no medications). It was decided at this point to admit the baby to the NICU and the baby wound up doing great, even though care was delayed a day and a half (per mother's request). Truly a miracle. It is all such a case by case kind of thing.

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At 23 weeks, the neonatologists will have an in depth consult with the mother (when there is preterm labor or PPROM) and tell them the suspected outcome and the prognosis for a baby surviving such a preterm birth. They look at estimated fetal weights and measurements and talk about whether or not they want life saving measures or if they want only comfort care. Usually, at 23 weeks, nursery staff and a neonatologist will attend the birth and depending on how big the baby is, what gestational age the baby looks (if the dates were right), and how vigorous the baby is, they will decide what to do at that point. I have been on several 23 week deliveries. The prognosis isn't great, but some 23 week babies have survived and done quite well.

There was a case where a mother wanted only comfort care for her 24 week baby after her consult and so no heroic measures were taken to save the baby... and a day and a half later, the baby was still vigorous (even rooting for a breast!) with only being held by the mother (no oxygen, isolette, no IV, no medications). It was decided at this point to admit the baby to the NICU and the baby wound up doing great, even though care was delayed a day and a half (per mother's request). Truly a miracle. It is all such a case by case kind of thing.

Galatea, thinking of you! Hang in there. How do you feel today?
What a crazy story for a 24 week baby! He must have been actually older than that?

I saw the local high risk doc. My fluid is still normal levels, and he thinks that having the early amnio at 15 weeks to confirm the MaterniT21 results made a leak between the two sacs. I actually suggested that after doing my own research as I remember the high risk doc in Pittsburgh said the two sacs weren't fused yet and he really had to wiggle the needle through. So then the fluid leaked into the outer sac and then for some reason, waited 8 more weeks to leak out of me. I have only been leaking at night, a lot on Saturday and Sunday nights, but none at all during the day on Sunday and Monday, and only a small amount when I work up today on Tuesday.

Based on that, he doesn't think I am at high risk for infection or labor, and he thinks I am fine to drive home tomorrow. I will be done with the IV antibiotics and only on oral anyway. Then if I still have any leaking, I will just go right to my home hospital, but if it stops altogether, I might even be able to go home to rest.

The only bummer is that he did find what he thinks is a ventricular septal defect, so now we have to see a pediatric cardiologist, but apparently it is no risk inside of me and usually closes up outside anyway.

He also said were I his patient, and I was still pg at 34 weeks with normal fluid, he would also let me go to term (rather than the standard protocol of inducing ROM patients at 34 weeks), seeing as I don't have a frank ROM. He said I could totally stay here until I deliver, but then I'd be stuck here for four months without my husband, kids or any other family, and he really thinks the risk of sitting in a car for 5.5 hours to be minimal. Or I could go home any day this week, and he would rescan me the day before.
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Originally Posted by apeydef View Post
Galatia God answered prayers once and he will again. We are all praying for you and the baby!
I know that the amount of grace I am getting is just crazy and I don't know if I should buy lottery tickets or never risk anything ever again!
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