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I am not a smoker myself, but I did live in a "hippie community" out west. I do feel that their is a difference between these families who smoke all day, as someone wrote, next to 'the weekend user' . The sad truth was the unemployment rate, as well as the federal aid issued in that county is the highest in the state. However that gets interpreted --I understand. I saw that the opportunites afforded those children were lacking. I feel that it is my priviledge to my children, who are the gratest gifts in my life, to protect and nuture them as best I can. I am the mother of special needs children and I think everday about what I may have taken or been exposed to that hurt my children. Maybe I did something , maybe I didn't, but it is a terrible feeling, and I relate to the mother feeling responsible for her child's birth defect. I enjoy Mothering mag. as well as MDC becuse it makes me feel supportted in my decisions about healthful choices for our children. I just feel that I wouldn't take any chances with my child's well-being. And that does include my decisions about the foods they eat, medication, vaccinations, their schooling, ect. ect. Any thing can be abused and misused, and that is the sad truth. Making informed decisions for our own children, and feeling justified and secure in those decisions, is the best any parent can do.
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Before I was pregnant, I was an occasional mj smoker, regular cigarette smoker. When I found out I was pregnant, I quit the cigs cold turkey, but I was having a hard time doing so. I was also abandoned by the father of my child.
I have friends who are regular mj smokers, and they helped me to get over the cig problems by offering me mj. I accepted on several occasions, as it took away the longing for the cigs and helped me to deal with the pregnancy and absent father syndrome. I always stopped as soon as I felt anything, and I didn't smoke during my third trimester(and still won't). My daughter was born full term 8 pounds, 1 ounce. Everything is going swimmingly with her developmental skills.
I have a friend who smoked mj before she found out she was pregnant(over two months into the pregnancy) and started again at around 24 weeks. She gave birth to a 2 pound 0.4 ounce baby boy at 27 weeks. She was in Texas for the birth, and was drug tested because of her DS's prematurity. She tested positive for mj, but when she went back two weeks later for a follow-up drug test and was clean, the case against her was closed. He is doing very well now(he's 6.5 years old), although his eyesight has been severely affected.
I do believe that a regular(self-medicating) mj smoking parent can absent. I have seen parents "jonesing" to take a hit and try in vain to get their child out of the area, getting angrier and angrier as the child refuses. This, in turn, causes resentment--over something as silly as mj!

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I found this, pretty cut and dried:

http://www.motherisk.org/updates/feb01.php3
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I have never used illegal drugs and I am one of those people that suffers rather than take something OTC for symptoms. I don't know if mj is safe during pregnancy or not. But I do know that we cannot trust ANY studies done on anything for any reason. Many posters have mentioned studies and assume there is reliability in them. Those who have television...have you noticed all the drug advertisments? And all the attornies' ads for class action lawsuits agains the drug companies? This is because instead of doing scientific research beforehand, the drugs are being used on us as guinea pigs. They are put on the market before their safety is proven, and when people die it takes forever to get it OFF the market. By then, they have made millions. It goes without saying that researchers lie and present incorrect data to get a drug passed through. If all of this is new to you, I suggest you start reading because it is way bigger than you can even imagine.

I say all that to say this... It is the same people who have put the fear of God into us that natural products like echinacea, mj, vitamin E, etc. are bad for us that want us to buy THEIR pharmaceuticals. This is the reason why someone said in an earlier post, that it is very difficult to find unbiased research.

To the OP, I would simply ask- what did people do before bi-polar was considered a disease? Before there were drugs available? There are so many diseases these days that we didn't have to deal with centuries ago, because the pharmaceutical industry realized that giving something a name allowed them to create a drug for it. You are not sick because your body needs drugs. You are sick because something went wrong, and there is VERY likely something completely natural that can help relieve symptoms as well as undo the damage. Doctors like to give something a name, convincing us that the drugs formulated for it are going to make us all better, and it's just not the case. It may help, while killing you. Not one drug on the market doesn't have side effects. I would suggest that you do as much research as possible regarding bi-polar, mj, other natural remedies, etc. and dig deep into the research. Lots of information is suppressed but if you dig deep enough you will find some valid information that might help you, not only during your pregnancy, but afterwards as well. Even if your result shows that the best thing to take is mj, at least you have done the research yourself and can do it with a clean conscience. Good luck!
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Hi all. I know the original poster asked for opinions regarding the safety of cannabis, and not for other options, but I just felt that I should put this out here for anyone who may want to know.
I am bipolar, diagnosed. The psychiatrists I saw tried several different drugs on me; after about a year I was thoroughly disgusted and stopped seeing the doctors and took myself off of all drugs. This can be dangerous to do, I was lucky.
However, I soon discovered that while these drugs were not the answer, neither was doing nothing. So, after lots of research and talking to different people, I now take flaxseed oil, food-based iron pills and calcium/magnesium, and a food-based all natural prenatal vitamin every day. I have also worked on improving my diet. I avoid, within reason, food dyes (especially red), caffine, corn syrup, and milk. I eat whole grains, mostly. None of this am I legalistic about, and I am not organic food exclusive, mostly because I am too lazy and enjoy not having to worry about everything I eat everywhere I go.
But boy oh boy, has this made a difference in my life. And all of my 5 pregnancies have been perfect and produced perfect kids and I was not constantly worried about what I may be doing to my children during those months.
Flaxseed oil improves brain function and can help with many problems: it has also helped my wonderful dh gain some control over his OCD and anxiety. The iron and calcium/magnesium (not taken together, must be taken several hours apart) help me sleep soundly and not be so tired during the day, which majorly helps prevent depression. The prenatal just helps cover anything I may be missing in my diet, and I have noticed I get sick less often on it.
I discovered that different foods can affect peoples moods and brain function, even beyond caffine, chocolate, or even "unhealthy" foods. I found which foods bothered me by finding lists of foods that often cause problems for people and then avoiding them while keeping a food/mood journal. Thankfully, gluten doesn't cause me problems as it does for many people, but milk products can if I over indulge, which for me is more than one serving of milk a day. I miss my cheese sometimes. These won't be the same for everyone. BTW, I have no food allergies, according to all testing.
I would never use marajuana for the same reason I took myself off of wellbutrin, prozac, lexapro, etc.... I don't want my mood altered for me!!! I want to be in control of it!! These changes leave me in control of myself, my mood, help my children be healthier, and don't carry any legal risk.
BTW, papya tablets have greatly reduced my heartburn and gas problems during pregnancy, for those who won't take TUMs.
Sorry this is so random and wordy.....I'm writing late at night and should be in bed. Hope this helps someone.

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I have been pregnant twice now and both times went through pretty bad depression. My midwife recommended smoking a bit of weed just so i could relax my body and mind for a bit. This reconnecting made me feel better (although guilty) and i found my head to bit a bit more level, i was less anxious, angry, frustrated and yes, certainly relaxed. She did suggest to not have a smoke durring labour because she had experienced woman who were a bit too spaced out to listen to her proper instructions (one woman had a bad tear due to not paying attention) Another thing to keep in mind is that when you are breast feeding smoking weed interferes with your "mothering hormone" ( i think its prolactin) and this may decrease with your milk supply. it did for me, however i made herbal teas full of redraspberry, fenugreek, fennel, and blessed thistle to boost my supply and produce fuller, richer, healthier milk. I must say that when my baby girl was asleep, the tea and wee puff was the best way for me to enjoy the moment to myself.
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There are cannaboids in breast milk. For real.

I'd think that the real danger in chronic smoking to a baby would be that smoke inhalation of any sort deprives the bloodstream of oxygen and is enormously taxing on the circulatory system.

To whoever mentioned vaporizing

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078...books&v=glance

This book has all sorts of papers (including info on that Jamaican study) on women, pregnacy and marijuana.

I'm not a smoker, myself, but I used to work for an agency here in Cali that verifies medical cannabis reccomendations for patients. *shrugs*
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Hi all. I know the original poster asked for opinions regarding the safety of cannabis, and not for other options, but I just felt that I should put this out here for anyone who may want to know.
I am bipolar, diagnosed. The psychiatrists I saw tried several different drugs on me; after about a year I was thoroughly disgusted and stopped seeing the doctors and took myself off of all drugs. This can be dangerous to do, I was lucky.
However, I soon discovered that while these drugs were not the answer, neither was doing nothing. So, after lots of research and talking to different people, I now take flaxseed oil, food-based iron pills and calcium/magnesium, and a food-based all natural prenatal vitamin every day. I have also worked on improving my diet. I avoid, within reason, food dyes (especially red), caffine, corn syrup, and milk. I eat whole grains, mostly. None of this am I legalistic about, and I am not organic food exclusive, mostly because I am too lazy and enjoy not having to worry about everything I eat everywhere I go.
But boy oh boy, has this made a difference in my life. And all of my 5 pregnancies have been perfect and produced perfect kids and I was not constantly worried about what I may be doing to my children during those months.
Flaxseed oil improves brain function and can help with many problems: it has also helped my wonderful dh gain some control over his OCD and anxiety. The iron and calcium/magnesium (not taken together, must be taken several hours apart) help me sleep soundly and not be so tired during the day, which majorly helps prevent depression. The prenatal just helps cover anything I may be missing in my diet, and I have noticed I get sick less often on it.
I discovered that different foods can affect peoples moods and brain function, even beyond caffine, chocolate, or even "unhealthy" foods. I found which foods bothered me by finding lists of foods that often cause problems for people and then avoiding them while keeping a food/mood journal. Thankfully, gluten doesn't cause me problems as it does for many people, but milk products can if I over indulge, which for me is more than one serving of milk a day. I miss my cheese sometimes. These won't be the same for everyone. BTW, I have no food allergies, according to all testing.
I would never use marajuana for the same reason I took myself off of wellbutrin, prozac, lexapro, etc.... I don't want my mood altered for me!!! I want to be in control of it!! These changes leave me in control of myself, my mood, help my children be healthier, and don't carry any legal risk.
BTW, papya tablets have greatly reduced my heartburn and gas problems during pregnancy, for those who won't take TUMs.
Sorry this is so random and wordy.....I'm writing late at night and should be in bed. Hope this helps someone.

Stormimay

Props to you, Stormimay! I'm also bipolar and personally found that mj makes me *worse* not better. By changing my diet, going to therapy, and realizing what triggers my manic/depressive symptoms, I was able to be medicine free also.

Mj effects the brain's seretonin and dopamine levels. If you already have an imbalance, it's reasonable to assume it would do more harm than good. I know a lot of bipolar patients who became worse after smoking mj, especially if smoked during a manic phase.

Bottom line: Although it is a good drug to treat certain conditions, and I believe fairly safe in pregnancy, I do NOT think any bipolar patient should be smoking it.
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There are cannaboids in breast milk. For real.
Glendora, do you mean there are naturally-occuring cannaboids? Or do you mean that they pass through the mother's system into the breast milk?

I would really appreciate any links, etc. Cheers, thank you.
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There are naturally occuring cannabinoids in breast milk. Research suggest that they're in there to help trigger the sucking reflex. Keep in mind that cannabinoids aren't exactly the same thing as THC crystals.

I know this lady has done research on it.
http://www.yosh.ac.il/behavior/Faculty.asp?n=Fride_E
She's tryng to prove there's a marijuana-derived method to treat "failure to thrive."

And, here's an abstract.
http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/230/4/225
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I have been wondering / trying to find out about this for a few years now... I only ever 'partook' occasionally but quit as soon as I knew I was pregnant with my 1st son (3 1/2 yrs ago). I was too afraid to risk it, seeing as I didn't need it for pain relief or anything medical.

Anyway, the main reason I'm posting here is to inform anyone who's wondering about cannabis use during labour: the use of cannabis tincture is definitely not new -- it helps to speed up stalled labour. For more information, pick up a copy of "Wise Woman's Herbal" (for the full "12" months of prenancy) by Susan Weed (yes, that's really her name). It's an excellent reference, full of herbal remedies for all kinds of pregnancy & baby related things.
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Hi all, :

Just to let you know. These and many other topics are discussed in the Monthly MJ Thread each month. As new parents subscribe new Questions and stories are revealed!
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Quick question to ponder:
Would you blow smoke into your newborn's face?
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If they needed a powerful antiemetic? Absolutely. I'd rather use a steam or oral suspension delivery method, but there's no safer antiemetic than good old-fashioned dope.
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Those mothering articles cemented my distain for any research in that magazine. What garbage.
You do realize what website you're on, right? :

Honestly until I see solid, unbiased and thorough research on the subject I'm going with my gut instinct on this and say since no reliable research has proven cannibas use during pregnancy and/or nursing has ill-effects it's reasonably safe when used responsibly (not bought from dealers-organic, not laced or cut, etc; probably not smoked- vaporizor, food, etc; and not over-used). Just use your best judgement, listen to your body and please, cover your arse (keep away from legal problems).
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For more information, pick up a copy of "Wise Woman's Herbal" (for the full "12" months of prenancy) by Susan Weed (yes, that's really her name). It's an excellent reference, full of herbal remedies for all kinds of pregnancy & baby related things.
Actually it's Susun Weed... she spells her first name funny I definately agree, check out her work, she is an extremely well-respected herbalist. You can learn more about her and order her books at www.susunweed.com
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You do realize what website you're on, right? :

Honestly until I see solid, unbiased and thorough research on the subject I'm going with my gut instinct on this and say since no reliable research has proven cannibas use during pregnancy and/or nursing has ill-effects it's reasonably safe when used responsibly (not bought from dealers-organic, not laced or cut, etc; probably not smoked- vaporizor, food, etc; and not over-used). Just use your best judgement, listen to your body and please, cover your arse (keep away from legal problems).
I've heard its better not to eat mj when pregnant because it gets digested and goes straight to the baby via the placenta with all your other food. While if you smoke it, it gets filtered by your lungs, then its in your own blood steam and gets diluted down by the time it reaches the baby. I have just heard that, I have no evidence to back it up. A vaporizer is the absolute best choice but a water pipe (bong) also filters the smoke before inhalation.
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I've heard its better not to eat mj when pregnant because it gets digested and goes straight to the baby via the placenta with all your other food. While if you smoke it, it gets filtered by your lungs, then its in your own blood steam and gets diluted down by the time it reaches the baby. I have just heard that, I have no evidence to back it up. A vaporizer is the absolute best choice but a water pipe (bong) also filters the smoke before inhalation.
Good point, didn't think about that aspect of injesting...

*sigh* I miss my water pipe I quit smoking when I got together with dh because he said it made him uncomfy...he never even asked me to quit (basically just not to smoke around him) so it was kindof a show of how much the relationship meant to me....cause even as someone who only smoked liek once or twice a month I loved pot lol
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Props to you, Stormimay! I'm also bipolar and personally found that mj makes me *worse* not better. By changing my diet, going to therapy, and realizing what triggers my manic/depressive symptoms, I was able to be medicine free also.

Mj effects the brain's seretonin and dopamine levels. If you already have an imbalance, it's reasonable to assume it would do more harm than good. I know a lot of bipolar patients who became worse after smoking mj, especially if smoked during a manic phase.

Bottom line: Although it is a good drug to treat certain conditions, and I believe fairly safe in pregnancy, I do NOT think any bipolar patient should be smoking it.
I agree about the proper nutrition for bipolar disorder. I'm bipolar and I'm taking Seroquel for it (yes, I know about the side effects) because I seem to be getting progressively worse over the years. However, when I'm pregnant I'm able to control most of the symptoms without medication by eating a healthy diet and exercising. My symptoms started getting worse when my daughter was 6 months old, I'm guessing because she wasn't BF as much and I wasn't getting the prolactin, and by the time she was 8.5 mos I had to go back on my meds I'm hoping that with continued therapy and healthy eating I'll be able to back off the meds long enough to have another baby within the year. I do appreciate what the meds do for me, but they are not safe to get pregnant on. I'm hoping that some day I'll be completely med free, but I'm not ready yet. I don't want to end up hurting anyone.

I also agree about not smoking MJ if you're bipolar. It always made my symptoms worse.
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A big concern should be the pesticides that may have been applied to the plants, especially if they came from outside of the US, where countries continue to use dangerous chemicals that we have outlawed here. Chances are the buds were not rinsed off, and because the plant is now dried, these poisons could be very concentrated.
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I haven't been able to read all of the posts but wanted to say that I would definitely use it if I had bad morning sickness or lack of appetite, but I wouldn't want to smoke it, I'd probably make it in a tea. And I'd definitely buy organic .
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I haven't been able to read all of the posts but wanted to say that I would definitely use it if I had bad morning sickness or lack of appetite, but I wouldn't want to smoke it, I'd probably make it in a tea. And I'd definitely buy organic .
Um, a tea would be pretty much ineffective. It would taste horrible and THC is not water-soluble. For a non-inhaled solution to work it must involve oils of some kind. But see otehr threads for the theoretical advantages of inhaled esp. during pg.

If I knew of a way to obtain organic MJ I would've done a lot less throwing up this past fall! I stayed way though bc I don't trust the origins unknown stuff that one can usually obtain around here.
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That's not what I've heard from others who have used it. Would that mean then that tincturing it would be ineffective as well? I know that works and can get extremely strong.
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THC is released by heat. In order for it to not get released into the air you would need to ingest the tea very quickly, or have it bond to a fat of some sort. This is why using it as cannabutter in cooking is very popular. I suppose the tea would work, but again would need to be ingested quickly before the THC had a chance to completely evaporate.

As for organics...well I know several medical users who grow their own and they all use organic nutrients, as well as do what is called a "flush" before harvest to allow the plant to use up all the remaining nutrients.

As many other posters have mentioned it is all a matter of being intelligent about it, just like any other medication, herb, or food you would ingest.
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A big concern should be the pesticides that may have been applied to the plants, especially if they came from outside of the US, where countries continue to use dangerous chemicals that we have outlawed here. Chances are the buds were not rinsed off, and because the plant is now dried, these poisons could be very concentrated.
Healthy Cannabis is usually pest resistant and very hardy in general, requiring very little pesticides if any(especially certain strains with very good genetics). That said, they are not always grown organically, especially when selling commercially. It is true, some people grow some nasty stuff...which is why I not only go deeply organic (meaning no herbicides either), but I watch the plants grow and know what goes in them...including the soil.

to the OP:
THC is non toxic. Go with how you feel. Other posters who have or have had bipolar disorder said it made their symptoms worse. You will have to be the judge for yourself on that one. Personally, if it helped, I would continue to medicate. And since you already vaporize, I do not believe there is any harm to you or your baby. That is my opinion.

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I've already mentioned on this thread that I heard it is better not to ingest cannibis while pregnant, either in a tea, tincture, or food, because it crosses the placenta more so than if you smoked it. Your food goes right into the placenta. While the THC in your bloodstream from smoking also goes into the placenta, it has been filtered somewhat by your body first. The risk of smoking is the lack of oxygen going to the baby during the inhalation but if used in moderation, this is not too much of a concern.
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i am glad this thread came around to educating on the "Safe During Pregnancy" issue.

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