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#1 of 8 Old 06-03-2003, 08:13 PM - Thread Starter
 
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This is one of my favorite topics and it seems like it's been a while since we've had a thread about it. I just posted on a poll about labor length and noted that for most of the first time moms pushing took quite a while, but in subsequent births took much less time. I started wondering, did it, for them, have anything to do with becoming more educated after the first birth and therefore approaching the labor differently? This was the case with me. For my first birth I was told to start pushing when I had dilated to 10 cm, although I felt no urge, I was in a semi-reclining position, and I pushed for two hours, directed by the midwife, and came out of it with a skid mark, which was painful for many days, and overall just a really tired, aching body. For my second and third births I acted only on my body's urges, had relatively private and undisturbed pushing phases, and each time pushed the baby out with only a few pushes, over an untraumatized, intact perineum, and I felt great afterwards!

Here are some links about pushing:

Pushing For First-Time Moms, Gloria Lemay

Pushing Positions, from ICAN

Pushing from The Midwife Archives (a collection of posts from a midwifery forum. generally very good information.)

Oops, I have more but I've got to go change a diaper.
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thanks! That first article was especially helpful. I'm going to make sure my DH reads that one!
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I pushed for 15 minutes, 12 minutes and 3 minutes. the first one I did the whole push to 10 crap. Learned more but still over pushed with my second one but she was 2 weeks late and was not stying inside of my body for one more freaking minute!! Ava was an altogether different sort of thing and my main concern was not screaming (I was in my mw office and didn't want to scare the ladies who hadn't decided about that epidural yet ) It was the only one where I did little pushes and I was blown away at how much more effective it was.

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It is my totally intuitive feeling on this that the "pushing" stage is usually longer w/first than subsequent because they are usually so many more layers of fear and unknown to "push" through. I think the first baby is such a huge life-identity-spiritual transition that labor works through these issues.

However, ALSO contributing to the length of my first pushing stage (around 1.5 hrs. w/dd) was that the MW"s had me on my left side for BP. Okay, now I know this is textbook BP stuff, but can you even imagine pooping on your side? For god's sake! : Anyway, w/ds it took like maybe 5 minutes. ( I was on my knees in the bathtub)

I guess self-knowledge was more helpful to me than anything....and taking responsibility for listening to the true expert..my own body. I guess it just ALL comes into play. With the first one, you just kind of have to go w/it as there is really NO way to comprehend what birthing is until you do it. After I had one "under my belt" (forgive the pun!), I had more to build off of.
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You could be onto something with here. Ive only had the one, and am not pregnant again, but I listened only to my own body and I was pushing for a very short time (not sure of exact time). I do remember the MW saying not to push because she needed to call her partner to come. But there was no stopping us . I also did not take any prenatal classes, and Im quite mellow, dont know if that makes any difference.
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With dd, I pushed instictively the whole time. Well, actually I was trying my darndest not to push for 20 minutes in the car on the way to the birth center. When I got there, my MW told me to do whatever I needed to do. I pushed when I needed to and dd was born 15 minutes later!
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I've only had one baby but here's how it went:

I was told to push at 10 cm and did so even though I felt no urge. I pushed for 4 hours, mostly on my back, sometimes trying to squat with the ineffective squatting bar they had installed on the bed. I vomited a lot, probably because of the IV abx and nutrients I was getting. This all ended in a forceps delivery.

Next time, I plan on not pushing at all unless I feel like it. Some moms never push at all and still the baby gets born, often in a very short time. Women have given birth in their sleep before! The baby will come out. No labor never ended.

It sounds simple: push when you want to. Don't push when you don't want to. If your body doesn't give you the urge, it's probably because it's not what you need to be doing now. I think if I had listened to my body instead of other people, it would have been a lot easier on me.
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NAK. Greaseball said it very well. I *never* "pushed" per se, I just let my body take over. Mylabor was 6.5 hours, and DS was born after a 20 minute "pushing" phase.

when i say that i didn't push, i just mean that i couldn't NOT push. i was not in control.

it was great!

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