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I think the current minimal moderation is great. It allows members the freedom to express their opinions without fear of their thread being shut down or a warning issued. Discussions of all types should be permitted and the community should be allowed to respond with their opinions unrestricted. I feel there are some situations where heavy moderation may be necessary but these are very few (explain). 416 56.68%
I do not like the minimal moderation and feel that it is leading to problems. To help protect the integrity of the forums and make the community a comfortable place to post we need the moderators to return to their previous moderation approach. They should oversee discussions more and remove things that are mean, snarky, sarcastic, and harassing. They should remove threads and posts that are against Mothering's parenting philosophies. Members who refuse to post appropriately should be moderated and those who persist in such behavior should be warned consistently and, if necessary, their membership removed. 204 27.79%
Other (explain what sort of moderation you think should be in place) 114 15.53%
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#301 of 612 Old 06-17-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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It is when posters condemn Jewish people and their religion and accuse them of being barbaric baby rapers as has happened. Paternalism and majority privilege- you have it!

 


I don't know about that language, but as a former (?) Jew, even I agree that religion is no excuse to hide behind. We don't allow FGM, nor should MGM be allowed.
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I looked at the poll and the majority of the people think the less moderation is good. But there is a large section who wants more and some who want a little more. So, for those who are looking for something else, what suggestions do you have and where do you want the line to be drawn?


In answer to the above, may I suggest, that you moderate publicly for general tone and meanness (as in... "here there, poster, tone it down a little, please be nice"), remove hate speech (racism, etc) altogether and note that publicly as well (as in, "this post has been removed because it violated THIS part of the UA: racism, etc) along with a warning, publicly remind posters of MDC values and mission if needed (like when dissenting opinions turn angry and hurtful - i.e. "this is a site that generally supports _____ and while we'd like to hear your opinion on it, there is a better forum for that, so please take it there" or " this thread is asking for support or information about something MDC values, so please be nice if you disagree"), and ban members if people don't heed these public warnings and a develop a trend of UA violations.

 

Seriously, didn't everyone's mother teach them that if they can't say anything nice they shouldn't say anything at all? I mean, I have always been one to speak out about my beliefs and values, and do so strongly and passionately when I feel it necessary, but there seems to be a general lack of filter from brain to keypad. No one is going to hear me or change their opinion on an issue if I can't first meet them where they are and move from there... at the very least, most of us should have learned this from mothering small children. 

 

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I did read your whole post AM and I think it is naive at best and shows that maybe you haven't read much history. Human history has shown time and again that the strong will always steal from the weak unless there is some kind of counterbalance, i.e. "government."

 

Ideas like your are best debated in the safety of a classroom because as a political or social philosophy it fails on many many levels.

 

Human history has never been safe, it has never been pleasant and it has never been some peaceful oasis. There are NO good old days. They don't exist.

 

What we can hope for and strive for is balance. But that won't happen if it is a free for all.

 

 

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I'm new to this site, but seeing as I've been through both types of mod in other groups.. I have to say somewhere in the middle is the best.... I've left groups because too much freedom leads to some real nasty people ganging up on others... and not enough makes it too hard to express yourself. I say let people post freely, but moderate the ones who go overboard. There ought to be at least a "report this post" link on every post, but the person doing the reporting should have to back up their reasoning as to why the post is so objectionable.... threats, harrassment, etc should not be tolerated. Debate is good... but making people feel so unwelcome that they feel they have no choice but to leave, is not.

But what do I know?! whistling.gif Again- I'm new here & don't know all the details either. This is just my general opinion on the topic.

 

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I looked at the poll and the majority of the people think the less moderation is good. But there is a large section who wants more and some who want a little more. So, for those who are looking for something else, what suggestions do you have and where do you want the line to be drawn?


As I posted up thread, I'd like to see MDC stick to the core AP/NFL stuff of GD, intactivism, vax questioning, UC, natural birth, BFing and HSing while allowing diversity of opinion on political, social issues and religious beliefs on subjects like abortion, sexuality ( including homosexuality, polyamory and chastity) and gender issues while requiring civility from BOTH sides. 

 

 

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I can't see an apology coming either.  MDC will just keep banning people who call them out on their horrendous choices (which MDC will continue to blame on others) and eventually there will be no one left or everyone left will be to terrified to say anything.

 


Did you see the posts these women made on that thread? I really do not think that they were banned for coming out against MDC moderation issues. The posts were horrible and nasty and after PMing with the OP newbie of that thread (which I felt compelled to do given her treatment there), I remain horrified at their insensitive and, quite frankly, nasty responses to her question. She is young and new (not to mention newly and unexpectedly single) and was in a lot of pain. While the answer to her question may have seemed obvious to some and the question seemed troll-like to others, not one of those women took the time to ask her directly what she was after. Instead they made assumptions and made things worse for her. I'm sorry, but that type of posting is what really makes me sick to my stomach. The OP was the one who was reduced to terror about ever asking a vulnerable question again.

 

IMHO, this is a prime example where moderation was exactly what it should have been. I am not terrified to post here and I give plenty of dissenting opinions, but I won't ridicule or belittle people to do it. And if I come off that way to someone, I try to apologize for it and re-phrase my stance to be nicer and/or more clear about my stance on the issue, separating it out from the person behind the issue. People who don't, or for whatever reason can't, do that, should be moderated accordingly.


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As I posted up thread, I'd like to see MDC stick to the core AP/NFL stuff of GD, intactivism, vax questioning, UC, natural birth, BFing and HSing while allowing diversity of opinion on political, social issues and religious beliefs on subjects like abortion, sexuality ( including homosexuality, polyamory and chastity) and gender issues while requiring civility from BOTH sides. 

 

 


I don't think it's possible to civily express certain beliefs - when you're talking about something like sexual orientation, you're discussing something at the very core of human beings who post in this community.
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It is when posters condemn Jewish people and their religion and accuse them of being barbaric baby rapers as has happened. Paternalism and majority privilege- you have it!

 




I don't know about that language, but as a former (?) Jew, even I agree that religion is no excuse to hide behind. We don't allow FGM, nor should MGM be allowed.



I'm not arguing that. But I have seen such language in CAC in the past. Considering the things that have been falling through the cracks around here lately I don't think MDC can afford to have bigotry sneak onto the site, anywhere. The CAC would be a soft target.

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As I posted up thread, I'd like to see MDC stick to the core AP/NFL stuff of GD, intactivism, vax questioning, UC, natural birth, BFing and HSing while allowing diversity of opinion on political, social issues and religious beliefs on subjects like abortion, sexuality ( including homosexuality, polyamory and chastity) and gender issues while requiring civility from BOTH sides. 

 

 




I don't think it's possible to civily express certain beliefs - when you're talking about something like sexual orientation, you're discussing something at the very core of human beings who post in this community.


Well no one is forcing anyone to post, who is in incapable of being civil, that is where hopefully self moderation comes in. I've seen a lot of lack of civility over my years here, but shutting down everyone for the lack of ability of a few isn't the best method IMO. 

 

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A Thumbs Down option for posts. If we're going to have thumbs up, we should have thumbs down too.

 

In line moderation. Instead of *poofing* posts I think the mods should insert posts or edits showing what's going on, and explaining to everyone what was or was not acceptable about what was posted.

 



Agree with mods explaining what was not acceptable.  That is a good idea.  I am leary of the new moderation because I was slapped on the wrist for things I didn't understand like "referencing another thread" which made no sense.  So, I'd like an explanation so I can stay on good terms with MDC and know what is okay.

 

I think a thumbs down option would be terrible and encourage the mob mentality that we've been seeing more and more of already. 

 

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I think a thumbs down option would be terrible and encourage the mob mentality that we've been seeing more and more of already. 

 

Boy is that the truth. 
 

 

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Boy is that the truth. 
 

 

So we are allowed to agree but not disagree? *scratcheshead*
 

 

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I don't see the point in a thumbs down icon. I don't really see the point of a thumbs up. If the post is in violation of the UA, report it. If the post is awesome, respond to it.

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So we are allowed to agree but not disagree? *scratcheshead*
 

 


That is exactly what have had for ages. Did you know that we couldn't post negative reviews about Drs on the tribe threads? That is just one example. Not sure if that changed with the recent changes or not.

 

I was agreeing with that poster about the mob mentality part specifically.

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WHAT searchable emails??? Where and how??

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I did read your whole post AM and I think it is naive at best and shows that maybe you haven't read much history. Human history has shown time and again that the strong will always steal from the weak unless there is some kind of counterbalance, i.e. "government."

 

Ideas like your are best debated in the safety of a classroom because as a political or social philosophy it fails on many many levels.

 

Human history has never been safe, it has never been pleasant and it has never been some peaceful oasis. There are NO good old days. They don't exist.

 

What we can hope for and strive for is balance. But that won't happen if it is a free for all.

 

 


My ideas are not being conveyed properly, this is not your fault. You're not understanding what I'm saying or where I'm coming from at all and again I am certain that it is my technique in conveyance and not your ability to comprehend which is the culprit. I'm not suggesting what you think I am at all and yes that would be incredibly naive. For the record, if everything you know about world history you learned in a classroom in a major university in this country, it is my belief that you are far from properly educated on modern history, the written history of this world and particularly when it comes to the omitted materials and archeological findings which support a far different picture of ancient civilization and the roots of the modern day construct we live in. the people of this thread have been so kind in ignoring my hijacking, thank you and my apologies.

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I voted "Other". The previous moderation style was really confusing and inconsistent, and I dreaded getting PMs because I was always worried that I was being warned for something ridiculous or petty. But the new lack of moderation has let this place become really hostile and unfriendly. I agree that we're all adults and I don't mind the foul language or sex discussions, but I really can't stand to see people getting ganged up on or snarked at for no good reason. That Single Parents thread was simply awful, nauseating...I can't believe anyone here would support a vicious attack on a clearly vulnerable person. irked.gif That sort of thing should not be tolerated here.

 

One thing that needs to stop is the removal of threads and posts. I'd much rather see a thread closed with mod comments explaining why than to see it just vanish. It's even worse when offensive posts are removed but the thread remains, because it becomes unreadable and confusing and no one can tell anymore what posts violated which rule.

 

Please stop deleting threads. I walked away from MDC for a few months because I was so frustrated with the way I just knew that the minute a thread became heated and/or interesting, it would vanish. I've adminned a few message boards and been a member of several others and I've never seen non-spam threads just outright removed anywhere else. It's kind of creepy, actually. The secrecy is totally unwelcome and unnecessary IMO. And how can we get a feel for what's unacceptable here if we can't see unacceptable posts?

 

My main problem with MDC right now is the insufferable number of ads and blatant commercialism. The new format is also horrible and my (brand new updated) browser crashes a lot. But that's not what this thread is about, I don't think, so I'll save it for another time.

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Did you see the posts these women made on that thread? I really do not think that they were banned for coming out against MDC moderation issues. The posts were horrible and nasty and after PMing with the OP newbie of that thread (which I felt compelled to do given her treatment there), I remain horrified at their insensitive and, quite frankly, nasty responses to her question. She is young and new (not to mention newly and unexpectedly single) and was in a lot of pain. While the answer to her question may have seemed obvious to some and the question seemed troll-like to others, not one of those women took the time to ask her directly what she was after. Instead they made assumptions and made things worse for her. I'm sorry, but that type of posting is what really makes me sick to my stomach. The OP was the one who was reduced to terror about ever asking a vulnerable question again.

 

IMHO, this is a prime example where moderation was exactly what it should have been. I am not terrified to post here and I give plenty of dissenting opinions, but I won't ridicule or belittle people to do it. And if I come off that way to someone, I try to apologize for it and re-phrase my stance to be nicer and/or more clear about my stance on the issue, separating it out from the person behind the issue. People who don't, or for whatever reason can't, do that, should be moderated accordingly.

I am glad that someone else felt the same way I did.  I was beginning to think I was crazy.  

 

But I missed where the mod's actually did anything ... it seems like the thread is unchanged.  Maybe I missed something?
 

 

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For the record, if everything you know about world history you learned in a classroom in a major university in this country, it is my belief that you are far from properly educated on modern history, the written history of this world and particularly when it comes to the omitted materials and archeological findings which support a far different picture of ancient civilization and the roots of the modern day construct we live in. 

 

Uh I don't even know what to say to this. Do you have some kind of secret Illuminati tome or something? Something that the major (and minor) historians I have read (women's studies, aboriginal studies, Native American studies, Innuit studies, African studies, etc) have missed? Because I am sorry but this is exactly the argument conspiracy theorists use to back up their conspiracy theories about the modern and ancient world.

 

To each their own though.

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*takingnotes* I'd like to hear some sources too. I am working on putting together history curriculum for DD and I want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

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Uh I don't even know what to say to this. Do you have some kind of secret Illuminati tome or something? Something that the major (and minor) historians I have read (women's studies, aboriginal studies, Native American studies, Innuit studies, African studies, etc) have missed? Because I am sorry but this is exactly the argument conspiracy theorists use to back up their conspiracy theories about the modern and ancient world.

 

To each their own though.


To each her own. There are plenty of brilliant people out there with wonderful research that will never see the insides of a university. Our world is rich with really solid information and tangible evidence that challenges the official story of our planet and people, but that's okay, I'll enjoy my books and you'll enjoy yours and I have no hard feelings and am not at all rolling my eyes or scoffing at you.

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Being frank when discussing your feelings does not give you the right to attack, abuse, namecall and harass members or this website. Those are the members who will have their accounts closed and I make no apologies for that. 

 

We will be looking more closely at threads. You say we allow them to devolve wildy. You assume that we are aware and let them devolve. We have asked members to report threads of issue. We act on reports. Obviously that is not working. And obviously some members abuse the lighter moderation approach we have taken and work directly to "devolve" discussions even to the point of driving new members away. An example which will also earn some member's the loss of their accounts: http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1317712/should-i-have-sex-with-my-ex-advice-please



 

Mommel please see the bolded above.  Those members were not banned because of that sex thread linked above, but before that thread was addressed.  They were banned because they called MDC out and demanded an apology on threads that have been since removed.  They were banned because they were trying to hold MDC accountable for its actions.  Stridently.  And they ruffled some feathers.
 

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Did you see the posts these women made on that thread? I really do not think that they were banned for coming out against MDC moderation issues. The posts were horrible and nasty and after PMing with the OP newbie of that thread (which I felt compelled to do given her treatment there), I remain horrified at their insensitive and, quite frankly, nasty responses to her question. She is young and new (not to mention newly and unexpectedly single) and was in a lot of pain. While the answer to her question may have seemed obvious to some and the question seemed troll-like to others, not one of those women took the time to ask her directly what she was after. Instead they made assumptions and made things worse for her. I'm sorry, but that type of posting is what really makes me sick to my stomach. The OP was the one who was reduced to terror about ever asking a vulnerable question again.

 

IMHO, this is a prime example where moderation was exactly what it should have been. I am not terrified to post here and I give plenty of dissenting opinions, but I won't ridicule or belittle people to do it. And if I come off that way to someone, I try to apologize for it and re-phrase my stance to be nicer and/or more clear about my stance on the issue, separating it out from the person behind the issue. People who don't, or for whatever reason can't, do that, should be moderated accordingly.



 

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I did read your whole post AM and I think it is naive at best and shows that maybe you haven't read much history. Human history has shown time and again that the strong will always steal from the weak unless there is some kind of counterbalance, i.e. "government."

 

Ideas like your are best debated in the safety of a classroom because as a political or social philosophy it fails on many many levels.

 

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My ideas are not being conveyed properly, this is not your fault. You're not understanding what I'm saying or where I'm coming from at all and again I am certain that it is my technique in conveyance and not your ability to comprehend which is the culprit. I'm not suggesting what you think I am at all and yes that would be incredibly naive. For the record, if everything you know about world history you learned in a classroom in a major university in this country, it is my belief that you are far from properly educated on modern history, the written history of this world and particularly when it comes to the omitted materials and archeological findings which support a far different picture of ancient civilization and the roots of the modern day construct we live in. the people of this thread have been so kind in ignoring my hijacking, thank you and my apologies.


Wow...I too am like dizzy.gif over this one.  But then what would I know being a historian afterall (and married to an historian to boot).

 

FWW most of what I know of the past comes from primary sources actually.  I must have missed the ones where everyone got along.  But then I study the middle ages...where nobody got along with anybody lol.

 

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Wow...I too am like dizzy.gif over this one.  But then what would I know being a historian afterall (and married to an historian to boot).

 

FWW most of what I know of the past comes from primary sources actually.  I must have missed the ones where everyone got along.  But then I study the middle ages...where nobody got along with anybody lol.

 



It's like a trainwreck within a trainwreck.

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I'm a little confused.  I only have a few posts, and at first, I could post without any problem.  I made a post in the Welcome forum, the Gentle Discipline forum and the Family Safety forum.  Then later, when I tried to reply to a thread in the Gentle Discipline forum, I got a message saying something like, "Because you are new, your posts are being held for review".  I didn't receive anything like that message when I posted replies before ...? 

 

Is it the practice here to review every post made by new members before they show up on the board, and maybe my first few posts somehow got in under the radar?

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As I posted up thread, I'd like to see MDC stick to the core AP/NFL stuff of GD, intactivism, vax questioning, UC, natural birth, BFing and HSing while allowing diversity of opinion on political, social issues and religious beliefs on subjects like abortion, sexuality ( including homosexuality, polyamory and chastity) and gender issues while requiring civility from BOTH sides. 

 

 




I don't think it's possible to civily express certain beliefs - when you're talking about something like sexual orientation, you're discussing something at the very core of human beings who post in this community.



I think it's fine to talk about sexuality. 

 

Acceptable:

"I am gay.  My partner and I both breastfeed our daughter."

"That's lovely.  I am straight, but I wish my husband could share the load!"

 

Unacceptable:

"I am gay.  My partner and I both breastfeed our daughter."

"Being gay is wrong, mmmkay?  Jesus says."

 

That's a breach of UA, and I don't think you can say that something someone just is is wrong while also being "civil."

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I think it's fine to talk about sexuality. 

 

Acceptable:

"I am gay.  My partner and I both breastfeed our daughter."

"That's lovely.  I am straight, but I wish my husband could share the load!"

 

Unacceptable:

"I am gay.  My partner and I both breastfeed our daughter."

"Being gay is wrong, mmmkay?  Jesus says."

 

That's a breach of UA, and I don't think you can say that something someone just is is wrong while also being "civil."


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Not totally following this thread, but mdc is dying right along with the death of the Magazine. We have lost our safe haven. I have been a member for 7 years and I am newly pregnant. you used to be able to go to a very active board to talk about things, now this is gone. you know what, I go the Baby Center. Theres still naturally minded mama's there and Its not slow and over dramatic like it is here.

 

RIP Mothering.

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Less regulation is better.  Especially in regards to sleep training and other practices.  We need to be able to discuss various parenting styles and choices and share what has worked and not. 


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