|Originally posted by HeatherSanders
However, I think it really brings to light one 'side' to this - and that is that we have a tendency to, in love, want to protect those that we care about within a community. In that 'protectiveness' (for lack of a better word), we can easily get riled on behalf of another and it can (and does) effect our subsequents posts.
This is where I see a double edged sword.
We had an article in our local paper recently, about how the current generation of children growing up, are the "coddled kids", about how by the ridiculous lengths to which people have gone to make things safe, that kids don't learn, that risks are sometimes positive. All the school attention to PC language, simple covers up real issues that need to be hashed out.
I would rather know the reality of a person, not a plastic exterior, which is conformed by a set of rules. You might also be preventing valuable thought fodder from panning out, as the thread proceeds.
And if a person feels "attacked" then we can support the attacked person by questioning the attacker. Asking the person to explain themselves. You never know, you might be responsible for changing their minds.
But if you put a lid on to prevent important discussions like the ones being considered here, then you are condemning those people to retain their prejudices, because there is no avenue for prejudice to be exposed.
What this really comes down to is self sensorship. I know that some have no sense of self-censorship, and that is why there has to be a user agreement.
While I am prepared to give my opinion of the USA administration, because I see its effects in this country every day, and read the newspapers, I am not prepared to make any statements as to, for instance, whether bin Laden represents main-stream Islam. I don't see how I can make a judgement on, or explain something that I have not accepted as a personal faith.
I would give an opinion as to whether or not Pat R represents me. He doesn't. And I might try to refocus a discussion that has gone AWOL. I know in what I believe, because I believe it, and know it, and therefore can explain it.
BUT it is up to the muslims on this board, to answer those sorts of question, for only they know what the truth is.
To the question of whether we should "protect" those Muslims, or prevent hate-speech, I will answer this in a personal way.
I do not want to be "protected" by any of my friends on this board. The world can be a nasty spiteful place, and it is up to me to read and know what the world things, and to formulate my ethics and morals, and then defend myself and my positions. And support my firends if need be. I believe that these discussions are a positive way to think outside the square, and better appreciate one another.
I think the better word is "support". If one of our friends is, say, under attack, then we can support the friend, by making the attacker explain their thinking. And to foster both understanding and tolerance. We can't have apractical opportunity to foster that, if there is nothing controversial said or debated.
If they won't explain, then its pretty plain that they aren't worth listening to. If they will, then that is a positive outcome.
I wouldn't like the function of the activism/politics board to be to stifle debate by hedging language and creating PC plastic faces, or protecting members. For to do that would result in a board that might resemble Nineteen eighty-four (George Orwell) where everything is so totally PC it becomes saccharin.
We can support one another well enough. I don't think any of the muslims on here feel unsupported actually.
But there is another point too, and that is that nasty though these issues are, to actually face them, and resolve them will also help us as mothers. These issues are bound to arise, with our children as time goes by.
Biffos like this, are important food for thought. And if we as parents can feel free to resolve them on the board, then just maybe we will also have better skills to help our children think through these issues in a rational way.
To put more rules in place specifically to cater for this situation, might actually be doing everyone here a disservice. The greatest learning can actually happen in the nastiest, most adversarial situations.
On a final personal note, I never use ignore
, because I don't believe that there is an opinion I should not read. If there is something that upsets or shocks me, that is good, since that is the real world, and I need to get a handle on those things in order to make better decisions in the future. It helps me develop self-control and rational thought. That isn't an opportunity for me to tell the person they shouldn't have said whatever they said.
That is the basis of the philosophy of free speech.
We defend the right to say anything.
That way, there is far more chance of changing both attitudes and thoughts in a positive way.