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#121 of 370 Old 07-18-2005, 09:04 PM
 
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Whew. OK, good. I'm totally cool with wackos thinking we're godless heathens.
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So you're saying MDC is a hotbed of godlessness? Dude, I'm so cynical right now I can't tell if you're kidding or serious.
if you read the stuff by them you will find that they view babies/children as inherently evil and believe that is their job as parents to beat it out of them and raise obedient children.

They consider the books, websites, ect. they have to be their ministry and MDC is a new missionary outpost.

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They consider the books, websites, ect. they have to be their ministry and MDC is a new missionary outpost.
Got it. Seriously, my cynicism is clouding my vision today. I imagine there's an ad representative at The Old Schoolhouse right now who is chuckling, and saying "SUCKERS".

Serious question - what do these threads accomplish? Is there someone out there in Questions and Suggestions land who is going to act to get this banner ad gone? What, other than this thread, can MDC members do to get this banner ad gone?
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I'm literally shaking as I type... I just read this entire thread and I'm sick to my stomach. I'll be sending their website an e-mail, too.

Somebody mentioned training is for animals - I wouldn't even train an animal in such an abusive way-talk about disrespect for the person or animal.... geez! Sadistic cruelty just simply cannot be supported here.

I'm begging the MDC advertising powers that be... admit the mistake - we're a forgiving & understanding bunch! Just get us out of this contract somehow, please! Beg... pay them back.... offer them 20 free magazine subscriptions.... or one free subscription for 20 years... or 20 other free gifts (19 plus one to grow on)! I believe our good and gentle reputation is priceless.
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sorry to pop in but there was a thread in TAO about this banner ad - it was here earlier today and now I can't find it - I tried searches with words I know I posted in thread and it doesn't pop up. It doesn't come up as moved either. Was it just spirited away or am I just missing it?

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I think it was spirited away because I can't find it either and it is no longer in my subscribed threads :
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I love it when threads get spirited away... makes me feel like Big Brother is looking out for me.

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Maybe they took it down b/c we already have this one.

If you want to know what to do, somebody posted the email addresses of the people in chg of mdc advertising. Write to them. I did earlier. I have not heard back yet.

It's not Cynthia's fault, I don't think. Usually these Q&S threads are for things Cynthia can deal with but it doesn't seem advertising is within her jurisdiciton.

I'm sure it was just an oversight.
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ITA, I think I said a few pages back that I don't think this would fall into Cynthia's jurisdiction.

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FWIW, I remember a similar thread a while ago about that "why spank when you can spin?" thing and Cynthia did intervene. She explained that they couldn't renege on the contract, but that it wouldn't be renewed... seems she/the powers that be could do something similar in this case, which IMO is so much more offensive and disgusting.

I emailed the MDC admin (Cynthia?) and the ad people, using the email addresses given a bit earlier in this thread. I haven't heard back from them either. Maybe if we innundate them they'll have to act - its worth a try!

I'm so glad this thread is here, and that someone took the time to post the advertising emails - thank you, whoever you are!
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I have to admit I always imagined/hoped that the Pearls were some sort of AP folklore/hoax...to think they are being promoted on an advertisers site is...well mind-boggling.

I agree it is unacceptable.

What are the consequences for terminating an advertising agreement?
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fullofgrace,

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can now make an informed decision as to whether or not I choose to purchase from Rainbow Resources based on that info. Also based on that info, I'm glad they don't advertise here, and I would likely be participating in a thread specficially about their advertisement if they were.
Please contact Rainbow and 1) Voice your opposition to the offensive books and 2) Suggest parenting books you'd like to see them carry. I'm trying to get them to change that section.

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Got it. Seriously, my cynicism is clouding my vision today. I imagine there's an ad representative at The Old Schoolhouse right now who is chuckling, and saying "SUCKERS".

Serious question - what do these threads accomplish? Is there someone out there in Questions and Suggestions land who is going to act to get this banner ad gone? What, other than this thread, can MDC members do to get this banner ad gone?
Mominflux-if you go a few pages back you will see that fullofgrace kindly provided us all with contact information to write e-mails to the advertising powers that ba at mothering.

I agree the thread itself probably isn't acomplisihing anything b/c i have a feeling that if anyone had been watching it it too would be spirited away.

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First of all let me explain the "spirited away" thread.

As we had this discussion ongoing, the thread in TAO was merged with this one. You will find the posts here in this thread if you look. Nothing was "spirited away".

I do play a role in the advertising that is placed on MDC. In the case of this ad I accepted it based only on the fact that this company has advertised at Mothering in the past, assuming that it had been examined and approved by the advertising department.

We accepted their ad in good faith. It is our understanding that The Old Schoolhouse Magazine is primarily, in fact overwhelmingly, a homeschooling magazine that is published by The Homeschooling Magazine.com info site and is not a parenting website in focus.

We accepted the contract without stipulation and currently we do not have written conditions that would permit us to cancel an accepted contract. We will honor our contract with Old School House until it completes it's time or they request that we pull the ad.

The owner of the site has been advised that the Mothering community is vehemently against the Pearls' publications and that their ad may gain them much negative publicity. They have confirmed their desire to continue with the advertisement. I have directed their attention to what is posted here so they may change their minds and ask to cancel. Or they may not.

Would we have accepted the ad if we had known about their positive opinion of the Pearl's philosophies? I'm not so sure. While I do not make or decide on ad policies Mothering's advertising policies do not involve the censoring of other websites to such an extent that the entire website must be in accordance with Mothering's beliefs.

While we do decline to host some ads (and discussions) that sharply conflict with our philosophies or marketing values, it is not for us to censor an advertiser for promoting something on their website that we would not sell or advocate for on our own web space. We trust that our community views all websites with commonsense and wisdom and takes from them that which rings true with their parenting beliefs.

That said I do intend to suggest to the advertising department that we place a conditional agreement for advertisements that will help us deal with these situations should an issue arise again. I do believe that there is a legal concern involved here and that is why we must honor the contract. I am not aware of the exact legalities involved so I can't explain that for you. But I do trust that Mothering is honoring this contract as a necessity as well as any others that have presented such issues. Your input about it all is of value and may help shape future advertising policy decisions.

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It sounded like a little bit of both. Like they put the ad here purposely because *they* think us all godless heathens.
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I took it to mean they advertised here because the parents here don't "train" (abuse) their children and so therefore we don't care about our children's souls.
I read it the same way.



I wanted to find out just what the beliefs of the owners of TOS were, so I read their Statement of Faith page which also includes their Mission Statement. I'll link it so others can also understand where the owners are coming from, and learn just what the beliefs and purpose of The Old Schoolhouse are:

http://www.thehomeschoolmagazine.com...t_of_faith.php

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We check out our writers and advertisers to the best of our ability, not to "police" them, but to be sure that they are teaching a "true Jesus", if they are faith-based authors or companies and teaching doctrine in their materials.
hmm... looks like Mothering wouldn't be able to advertise there...

Cynthia - is it possible to find out the length of the contract?

I am going to email them everyday till it is gone and I suggest that you all do it too.

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My goodness that is some heavy duty fundamentalist Protestant Xtian stuff! Yow!
Does Mothering really want to be associated with such a strong statement of literalist Xtian faith?

: Just put a diaper banner up there, K? :
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here is my first message to them....

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Who did you send that too? I'd like to write to them as well but I'm not sure who of their contacts I should go to.
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if you go to the link to the magazine, click on contact us and there is a whole list of people to email.
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Did you send it to everyone there? I was confused by so many names, I want to make sure I chose the right people.
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They purchased a one month banner ad. This is the first week of its run.

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Did you send it to everyone there? I was confused by so many names, I want to make sure I chose the right people.
I'm thinking the owner, because that is who Cynthia stated she contacted. I would imagine we should use the same person as the point of contact.

The owners are Paul & Gena Suarez. There are a few different emails listed on the site to contact them:

gena@tosmag.com
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Not sure which is best. Maybe cc all 3?

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Cynthia, can you find out exactly what the legalities are of dropping a banner contract? I'm curious about it.

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Yes, more information on that would be good. I can't believe that Mothering would link to a site that has drivel like this:
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Matthew Staver makes a convincing presentation of the negative ramifications of same-sex marriage to our children, our marriages, our country, and not unbelievably, our world. He shows how same-sex marriage is more than the tolerating of choices of consenting adults and why we need to be informed and involved in this movement.
People boycott television shows that carry offensive advertising, I don't know why Mothering thinks their web site should be any different. That banner should be pulled immediately.

And it would not be censorship, btw. Censorship is telling them they can't publish their garbage on their own site.
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Well, to date they(the magazine) have not bothered to respond to my email.

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I've been thinking about this for days. The image in my head of of 4 month old baby being struck.... If I knew those people IRL, I would report them to CPS in an instant. I'm going to start emailing them daily, too.

I just don't understand why MDC can't give them their money back and take the banner down. How "bad" does a site have to be to do that? Would MDC keep up a banner for a site that linked to porn? Would that be bad enough to end the contract? I can't believe that Mothering doesn't put on out clause in its contracts. I work for a tiny little nonprofit and we would never sign a contract without an out clause.
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I'm sort of shocked that this isn't being dealt with more seriously. I recently took exception with two ads in the latest Mothering and emailed Peggy, and she emailed me back within a week, thanking me for my concern and agreeing that it was troublesome.

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Cynthia, we appreciate your time and effort. I can imagine you are dismayed by this as the rest of us. Thank you for what you are doing to work with us on this issue.


I personally would not feel comfortable with this situation going on for a month. I tend to avoid things that "get to me" (and the subject of infant corporal punishment gets to me).

Anyone have any ideas other than me avoiding MDC till the ad runs its course? I would prefer not to do that, but that would be my choice rather than hang around here and complain for a month.
I have written to both the MDC Advertising department and to the Old Schoolhouse magazine.
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Anyone have any ideas other than me avoiding MDC till the ad runs its course? I would prefer not to do that, but that would be my choice rather than hang around here and complain for a month.
I have written to both the MDC Advertising department and to the Old Schoolhouse magazine.

If revenue and money is an issue, why not just lay it out for the users rather than accept money from individuals such as this?

Don't we think we could come up some "acceptable" user fee. People could use the site for free for say, a month, and then afterwards could pay for a subscription to use the boards. The boards could always be open gratis to magazine subscribers too.
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