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#31 of 48 Old 06-15-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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"MY choices/ideas/sources/thoughts/views are VERY in line with most of the women who post on this forum..the home birth forum. YOURS are VERY out of line with most of the women who post to these forums."

 

And this is relevant to what, exactly?  I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to state an opinion unless I agreed with everyone else.

 

"Your criticisms are commonly insulting and you fear monger a lot."

 

Critiquing care is important and valid  -- especially in a world where the most recently reported statistics for Colorado homebirth midwives show that 1 out of every 61 babies died under their care and where 28% of licensed Oregon homebirth midwives have open complaints against them.  Midwifery care is not some sacred cow that must be unquestioned.  And acknowledging risk is not fear-mongering.


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Would love to see those stats from an actual source that does not link back to 'she who must not be named'. There is absolutely *nothing* I can find anywhere online about our supposed death rate that is not connected to her and her claims. 


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Because, quite simply, the stats are being hidden (despite the requirements of Colorado law).  You want to verify -- why not do an open records request? 


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Would love to see those stats from an actual source that does not link back to 'she who must not be named'. There is absolutely *nothing* I can find anywhere online about our supposed death rate that is not connected to her and her claims. 


I believe that in Missouri, North Carolina, Oregon, and California the stats have been released in their annual reports on birth and death rates. Search the state government reports for these numbers. In addition, there have been many  news articles lately on high profile home birth deaths in Idaho, North Carolina, and Oregon and I believe some of those articles mention the stats you are looking for.

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Because, quite simply, the stats are being hidden (despite the requirements of Colorado law).  You want to verify -- why not do an open records request? 

Come on, Buzzbuzz.  I had your back after your first few posts in this thread.  The OP's mw would not have been okay with me.  That's a lot of opinion to me and not a care-giver that would have a plan of action or best practices.  

 

My mw didn't think vit k was necessary and would evaluate after birth, but you can bet that I made sure she had it if it was needed. Same with the pit.


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Yeah, so you haven't actually seen them either, but you know citing statistics you can not verify given to you by an unreliable source is always a good idea. 


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bwg, just my two cents:

there seems to be lots of fear mongering in the other direction on mdc, too.  women who visit mdc who choose an ob/hospital birth/need surgical birth have to contend with all sorts of ridiculous anicdata, just so you know.  most people just ignore posts that seem unhelpful.  namaste.gif

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Me too. I'm glad you call it when you see it.

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Fruitfulmomma -- You are a Colorado resident by your sig and you are entitled to put in an open records request which was how this information was obtained.  Just because no one else is reporting it doesn't mean it isn't true. 

 

If you are so sure Dr. Amy is lying about the stats in question you could certainly do a fantastic expose.  I think the idea that she would risk her credibility on a point so easy to independently verify is rather silly but certainly others may have a differing opinion. 

 

Out of curiosity, are any Colorado midwifery groups disputing the reported numbers?


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Wouldn't know and don't care. Her 'facts' about midwifery care legality are wrong. It has been legal here since 1993, not 2006 like she claims. And you'll notice that she doesn't bother to share these documents she has with her readers, which is what I would expect from someone who was exposing the truth. (By the way, where did I accuse her of lying?)

 

 

But she isn't the subject of this thread and neither is the state of midwifery care in Colorado. I only bring it up to point out that if you are going to continue to demand that the rest of us provide you with studies/documentation/whatever that you find credible, then you can extend the same courtesies to us and not throw out 'facts' from a source that no one in the homebirth community finds reliable or takes seriously. 


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IV antibiotics for GBS aren't even proven to be effective at preventing sepsis in newborns.  Only when the mother had a bladder infection did IV anti's work at preventing newborns from becoming sick.   It is, however, proven to cause resistant bacteria (if your kids becomes sick later in life, antibiotics just might NOT do the trick in making them better)  in children exposed to these antibiotics during labor.  If a woman is positive for GBS, untreated, her child only has a 2% chance of becoming infected (2 in 1,000)  Yes, it is very serious. But the truth is, if it's going to happen, it's going to  happen. So why worry about it, and then pump yourself and your baby full of harmful antibiotics that have serious risks.  It's better prevention to have as little vaginal exams and interventions as possible, especially after membranes are ruptured.

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Implementation of antibiotic treatment since the 90s has reduced neonatal sepsis due to GBS by 80%:

 

http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Citation/2011/04000/Committee_Opinion_No__485__Prevention_of.41.aspx

 

 

Per the CDC: "Other strategies to reduce maternal colonization and vertical transmission have been studied, including intramuscular  
intrapartum antibiotic prophylaxis (67), antenatal (oral or intramuscular) antibiotics (69–71), and chlorhexidine vaginal wipes or douches (72–76);

however, none has proven to be effective at preventing early-onset disease. Although some nonrandomized studies on chlorhexidine have

yielded promising results (72,75), randomized clinical trials have found no protection against early-onset GBS disease or neonatal sepsis  
(76,77)."  
 
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr5910.pdf  

 

It is possible to have an allergic reaction to Hibiclens.  Hibiclens is not intended for use internally and douching with Hibiclens is an "off label" use.
 


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I agree with BuzzBuzz, I did some of the original work with Heather Jeffreys at KGV in Sydney and the perinatal death rate from sepsis dropped dramatically after the initiation of GBS screening and treatment.So yes it is proven.

 

No valid research has been done to clarify the weight of other factors such as number of VE's or length of ROM. Would anyone be prepared to take the chance if the risks were explained to them . Really, it's guessing at best .

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