I just wanted to say some things about the subject we were talking about previously... midwives, namely Ina May Gaskin. I think MW and people who are confident enough to have an UC agree that birth doesn't always need to take place in a hospital. I don't think these two "sides" should be attacking one another, because we are, in essence on the same side to decrease the amount of traumatic births. MW's might interfere and cause a lot more problems than they'd like to admit, but our job should be to support them, rather than cutting them down, because they are closer to our ideal than what the majority of women giving birth have to suffer through.
I see the birthing situation in the world as a type of evolution right now. We have the "old style" (which isn't really very old) obstetrical model of "birth as sickness and emergency"..... the midwives, which try
to exist in the obstetrical model.... the "lay" MW, which will do the mother's wishes..... and the "do-it-ourselvers", the last step in the evolution of birth. Of course there are many shades of grey in this model, but as we can all agree, the obstetrical model is what we are all "against" in a dualistic way.
Of course, hospitals have their function, time, and place. I'm not for banning them. I just wish we could all band together to fight this monster that hospital birthing has become instead of fighting amungst ourselves, which will benefit the docs.
I hope I am understood. It's hard to express myself sometimes with writing.