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CA SB457 to narrow high risk and homebirth definitions

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201720180SB457

See Sen Patricia Bates-R of the 36th district.

So a child born only after the 39th week can be born at home? I was born at home at 35 wks, the Dionne quints were born earlier than that at home, and survived.

And a transfer has to be done in a certain amount of time with the correct paperwork ready.

ACOG made standards for VBACS and stated that a woman could request a VBAC but her OB had to be present in the hospital for the entire duration of the woman's VBAC labor, so doctors refuse to do VBACS because hanging around the maternity ward waiting for your former patient to deliver is not cost effective. Has that improved our infant and maternal mortality?

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This is only a selective quote but they're freaking nuts with these limits. They basically want to end homebirths. Not that I'm surprised.

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880. (a) Notwithstanding any other law and except as provided in subdivisions (c) and (d), a licensed physician and surgeon, a licensed midwife, and a certified nurse-midwife shall only attend cases of pregnancy and out-of-hospital childbirth when all of the following conditions are met:
(1) There is no increased risk to the patient or client because of a disease or condition that could adversely affect the pregnancy and childbirth.
(2) The patient or client has not had prior uterine or abdominal surgery, including, but not limited to, myomectomy, hysterotomy, or prior caesarian section.
(3) There is a singleton fetus.
(4) There is a cephalic presentation by 360/7 completed weeks of pregnancy.
(5) The gestational age of the fetus is greater than 370/7 weeks and less than 420/7 completed weeks of pregnancy.
(6) Labor is spontaneous or manually induced after 39 weeks gestation.
(7) Transfer to a hospital setting can occur within 20 minutes from the initiation of the transfer.
(b) The licensed physician and surgeon, licensed certified nurse midwife, or licensed midwife, acting within their scope of practice, shall use a self-screening form to identify patient or client risk factors for out-of-hospital childbirth.
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RE: prematurity - hospitals used to give copious amounts of O to preemies in the 40s, 50s, and 60s only to learn that practice caused blindness. Of course the hospital told parents that the prematurity caused the blindness.

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Eh, between the vaccine stuff and this, I'd be leaving Cali.
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Women who need to be transferred will come in to the hospital without documentation of prenatal care. In CA, this is documented on the birth certificate.

Period.

Which will bring on other problems.

Which will initiate the "need" for another law.

And so on.

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Wow, that is much more strict than the current guidelines. This proposal makes it seem like there are no laws and we need more regulation, which is not true. LM and CNM's already have to abide by CA laws for homebirth, and the cutoff is 37 weeks: http://www.mbc.ca.gov/Licensees/Midw...ctice_Act.aspx

I really hope this one won't pass as written. Our midwives are vocal and educated, and with enough commentary and input from them and consumers we should be able to come to a reasonable agreement. However, with the way things have been going in this state, nothing would surprise me
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Eh, between the vaccine stuff and this, I'd be leaving Cali.
I was just going to say that this piggy-backs nicely on SB277 and the mentality that drove it. Once the State gets a hold of citizens' bodies, there's no letting go.
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I was just going to say that this piggy-backs nicely on SB277 and the mentality that drove it. Once the State gets a hold of citizens' bodies, there's no letting go.
(5) The gestational age of the fetus is greater than 370/7 weeks and less than 420/7 completed weeks of pregnancy.
(6) Labor is spontaneous or manually induced after 39 weeks gestation.

It looks like this is saying that baby can be born at home from 37-42 weeks. I think part 6 is referring to spontaneous vs. induction, as in don't induce before 39 wks. 20 minutes from the hospital though! That's a tough one and will eliminate many rural women who may have fast labors and are therefore choosing home birth.
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